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Stilton: Happy Halloween, Sir Age :-)

Do you get many trick or treaters? We rarely get any, Halloween being what it is in the UK (virtually non-existent). The Beeb puts on a film or two, usually completely out of context or just plain crap. Sad really, but that's how a country with far too many stuck up self important shitbags celebrate the season, usually. :-)
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AgentBirdnest: I'm not really sure how many we'll get. Wasn't living here last year. We are a bit out of the way, on the outskirts of town, but there are a few kids on our street that I'd expect to drop by.
I'm a bit surprised that Halloween is as big as it is in Mormon-concentrated Utah. I remember a few kids were not even allowed to read Harry Potter because their parents were so uptight about witchcraft. Luckily very few Mormons are that ridiculous. Most know how to have a fun time :-)
I remember seeing something on TV with Richard Dawkins about how big religion is in the US, and there was an amazingly high statistic about the percentage of the population that believed in angels. Viewed through the eyes of someone with no religious belief at all, it seemed staggering and distinctly strange. So its not surprising that Halloween is seen as a threat in some circles.
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Stilton: I remember seeing something on TV with Richard Dawkins about how big religion is in the US, and there was an amazingly high statistic about the percentage of the population that believed in angels. Viewed through the eyes of someone with no religious belief at all, it seemed staggering and distinctly strange. So its not surprising that Halloween is seen as a threat in some circles.
Yeah, I saw a poll about that a while back. If I remember correctly, it was somewhere around 80%. I've lived in Utah nearly my entire life, and spent a good amount of (bad) time being Mormon, so that number doesn't sound too weird to me. It does seem quite strange when comparing it to other countries though.
I'd call Mormons pretty extreme on the religion spectrum, but at least 94% still celebrate Halloween. Halloween parties are even hosted in the churches. There are always a few people that believe anything fun must be a sin though. Luckily only a few.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by AgentBirdnest
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Stilton: Happy Halloween!!

Good day all, hope you've got some ghoulish fun planned for today/night :-)

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superstande: Also lots of awesomeness to Stilton for the link for the movie ^__^
dammit, I should take a course on "How not to fall asleep suddenly"
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Stilton: My pleasure :-) I watched a bit of it and there's an advert that yaks away in the background which I couldn't turn off. Maybe Adblock can KILL it. (capitals in celebration of the day!)
And then it can be resurrected with lightning after watching...?
I've been fascinated by vudu.com, since I managed to sort the region lock with mediahint :)
Unfortunately it doesn't have that big a collection, but there are some good films.
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Stilton: Happy Halloween!!

Good day all, hope you've got some ghoulish fun planned for today/night :-)

My pleasure :-) I watched a bit of it and there's an advert that yaks away in the background which I couldn't turn off. Maybe Adblock can KILL it. (capitals in celebration of the day!)
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superstande: And then it can be resurrected with lightning after watching...?
I've been fascinated by vudu.com, since I managed to sort the region lock with mediahint :)
Unfortunately it doesn't have that big a collection, but there are some good films.
Its surprising how many 'horror films' aren't horror films. All of the psycho thrillers get put in the same place as the horror stuff and then they 'become' horror films. The current GOG sale is the same. Still, there looks like some appropriate movie titles there to keep you chewing your knuckles :-)
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Stilton: I remember seeing something on TV with Richard Dawkins about how big religion is in the US, and there was an amazingly high statistic about the percentage of the population that believed in angels. Viewed through the eyes of someone with no religious belief at all, it seemed staggering and distinctly strange. So its not surprising that Halloween is seen as a threat in some circles.
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AgentBirdnest: Yeah, I saw a poll about that a while back. If I remember correctly, it was somewhere around 80%. I've lived in Utah nearly my entire life, and spent a good amount of (bad) time being Mormon, so that number doesn't sound too weird to me. It does seem quite strange when comparing it to other countries though.
I'd call Mormons pretty extreme on the religion spectrum, but at least 94% still celebrate Halloween. Halloween parties are even hosted in the churches. There are always a few people that believe anything fun must be a sin though. Luckily only a few.
Religion's a curious thing for me. I've never been compelled to take it up, yet I can see why a lot of people get comfort and a kind of understanding from it. As long as its passive and accepting of others' beliefs then it isn't a problem.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by Stilton
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Stilton: Morning, Endre. Hope your day turns out good - and the rain stops...

Happy Halloween, Sir Age :-)

Do you get many trick or treaters? We rarely get any, Halloween being what it is in the UK (virtually non-existent). The Beeb puts on a film or two, usually completely out of context or just plain crap. Sad really, but that's how a country with far too many stuck up self important shitbags celebrates the season, usually. :-)
Don't you have something better five days from now? You actually get to set fire to stuff.
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Stilton: I remember seeing something on TV with Richard Dawkins about how big religion is in the US, and there was an amazingly high statistic about the percentage of the population that believed in angels. Viewed through the eyes of someone with no religious belief at all, it seemed staggering and distinctly strange. So its not surprising that Halloween is seen as a threat in some circles.
Dawkins cracks me up. Not him though, the nutcases he interviews.

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AgentBirdnest: Yeah, I saw a poll about that a while back. If I remember correctly, it was somewhere around 80%. I've lived in Utah nearly my entire life, and spent a good amount of (bad) time being Mormon, so that number doesn't sound too weird to me. It does seem quite strange when comparing it to other countries though.
I'd call Mormons pretty extreme on the religion spectrum, but at least 94% still celebrate Halloween. Halloween parties are even hosted in the churches. There are always a few people that believe anything fun must be a sin though. Luckily only a few.
Well mormons aren't the only ones who can be dicks about Halloween. I just read about how the Bishop of Cádiz forbade a Halloween themed children's party on grounds of it being satanic.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by j0ekerr
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Stilton: Religion's a curious thing for me. I've never been compelled to take it up, yet I can see why a lot of people get comfort and a kind of understanding from it. As long as its passive and accepting of others' beliefs then it isn't a problem.
I didn't really have a choice. My parents, and theirs, and theirs were all Mormons. I stopped believing in anything remotely religious at all about 6-7 years ago, and I'm much happier this way.
I'm fine with anyone believing whatever they want, if they are accepting of others... but I find that is not often the case here. Every friend I've ever had is a Mormon, which makes me a bit of an outcast at times. They say they are accepting, but at the same time they try to convert (or re-convert) me. I know there are quite a few topics that I can't talk about with them, because while they say they don't judge people, I think they really do.
Damn, I haven't even been to a single friend's (or even sibling's) wedding, because I can't enter the temple if I'm not a practicing and worthy Mormon :-\ Now that I think of it... I've never been to a wedding in my entire life ô__ô

Well... I'm rambling :-p
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Stilton: Religion's a curious thing for me. I've never been compelled to take it up, yet I can see why a lot of people get comfort and a kind of understanding from it. As long as its passive and accepting of others' beliefs then it isn't a problem.
Spiritually I believe agnosticism is the best way to go. But for everyday life, full atheism baby!

I really don't understand the flak agnostics get from both sides though. It seems the most tolerant and even rational point of view.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by j0ekerr
wow, now installing Deadly Premonition... 6.6 GB... that might be a nice halloween's midnight game :)

to try to add something to the on-going talk: I'd be happier if all the religions and spiritual systems and atheists of the world could become tolerant of all the other religions and belief thingies, that would be a nice thing to do.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by superstande
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j0ekerr: Well mormons aren't the only ones who can be dicks about Halloween. I just read about how the Bishop of Cádiz forbade a Halloween themed children's party on grounds of it being satanic.
Yeah, Mormon bishops are not that mean. It's usually just a few "fringe" Mormons that are that crazy.
I do hear about other (usually small) religious groups that forbid Halloween every year, but I can't recall which ones.
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AgentBirdnest: Yeah, Mormon bishops are not that mean. It's usually just a few "fringe" Mormons that are that crazy.
I do hear about other (usually small) religious groups that forbid Halloween every year, but I can't recall which ones.
Mormons have bishops? I thought they modelled themselves after the protestant hierarchy, which isn't.
Also, that bishop's probably a hardcase who still remembers the good old times.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by j0ekerr
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Stilton: Halloween being what it is in the UK (virtually non-existent)....
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j0ekerr: Don't you have something better five days from now? You actually get to set fire to stuff.
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Stilton: I remember seeing something on TV with Richard Dawkins about how big religion is in the US...
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j0ekerr: Dawkins cracks me up. Not him though, the nutcases he interviews.

I just read about how the Bishop of Cádiz forbade a Halloween themed children's party on grounds of it being satanic.
Yes, we do! \o/ Guy Fawkes Night might well be my highlight of the year - sorry, Halloween, I love you, but Guy Fawkes Night is terrific :-)

I agree. Some of the fruitcakes he's talked to are astonishing, and rarely in a good/safe way.

Such blinkered bullshit makes me dislike religion deeply. All of that interference in peoples' lives, and its attitude that it can butt in on any subject and put forth an opinion that deserves respect and should be listened to. Sickening.
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superstande: wow, now installing Deadly Premonition... 6.6 GB... that might be a nice halloween's midnight game :)
Hugs from the UK to Finland :-) You got the Halloween fever too :-)
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Stilton: Religion's a curious thing for me. I've never been compelled to take it up, yet I can see why a lot of people get comfort and a kind of understanding from it. As long as its passive and accepting of others' beliefs then it isn't a problem.
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AgentBirdnest: I didn't really have a choice. My parents, and theirs, and theirs were all Mormons. I stopped believing in anything remotely religious at all about 6-7 years ago, and I'm much happier this way.
I'm fine with anyone believing whatever they want, if they are accepting of others... but I find that is not often the case here. Every friend I've ever had is a Mormon, which makes me a bit of an outcast at times. They say they are accepting, but at the same time they try to convert (or re-convert) me. I know there are quite a few topics that I can't talk about with them, because while they say they don't judge people, I think they really do.
Damn, I haven't even been to a single friend's (or even sibling's) wedding, because I can't enter the temple if I'm not a practicing and worthy Mormon :-\ Now that I think of it... I've never been to a wedding in my entire life ô__ô

Well... I'm rambling :-p
I admire you for breaking free of your indoctrination (however well-intentioned it might have been) and applaud you for remaining yourself. Unfortunately religion can be very two-faced - I've experienced this myself. Its just another thing to rise above.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by Stilton
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j0ekerr: Mormons have bishops? I thought they modelled themselves after the protestant hierarchy, which isn't.
Also, that bishop's probably a hardcase who still remembers the good old times.
Yeah, I think they are totally different from other bishops though. A Mormon bishop presides over a "ward" (usually about 100-300 people.) They aren't paid, so they have to keep their regular job. They don't dress or act differently from anyone else. Mostly they deal with organizational stuff, and are just "there" as a helpful person to all the members, giving spiritual advice when they need it. As far as I know, they don't really have any kind of "extra power" that a regular member does not.
I don't really know anything about protestantism, but I know that parts of Mormonism are based on Freemasonry.
Post edited October 31, 2015 by AgentBirdnest
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Stilton: Religion's a curious thing for me. I've never been compelled to take it up, yet I can see why a lot of people get comfort and a kind of understanding from it. As long as its passive and accepting of others' beliefs then it isn't a problem.
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j0ekerr: Spiritually I believe agnosticism is the best way to go. But for everyday life, full atheism baby!

I really don't understand the flak agnostics get from both sides though. It seems the most tolerant and even rational point of view.
Agnostics think for themselves - this is why they're attacked by much of the religious community. Likewise atheists.
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superstande: wow, now installing Deadly Premonition... 6.6 GB... that might be a nice halloween's midnight game :)

to try to add something to the on-going talk: I'd be happier if all the religions and spiritual systems and atheists of the world could become tolerant of all the other religions and belief thingies, that would be a nice thing to do.
Spoken like a true believer! :P And I agree :-)
Post edited October 31, 2015 by Stilton
and now... for something completely different ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gu2beGJ4I
*hugs to you all*
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Stilton: I admire you for breaking free of your indoctrination (however well-intentioned it might have been) and applaud you for remaining yourself. Unfortunately religion can be very two-faced - I've experienced this myself. Its just another thing to rise above.
Well, I didn't really have to do much. Electroconvulsive-therapy did half the work :-p