That is a strange dream, and a very game centered dream. Have you played a lot of the games that featured in your dream?

That reminds me of this

Honestly? It's about three seconds of something that's presented as the opening stage to an act that would be pretty frigging bad to be viewing, but it's also set clearly within the confines of the people involved making a movie, if that makes a difference to you.

From a story perspective, it depends on whether or not the people making the film are basing the acts portrayed in reality.

In the first game, there's a reason why the characters are doing what they're doing, and what they did centered around killing a lot of people. There wasn't anything like rape going on.
Or at least the first game never mentions anything along those lines.

But, that does raise a question - were there people in the first game wearing animal masks who beyond just killing people, were doing other things too?

And beyond that, there's the question of what ranks as worse. Obviously, someone being raped would be pretty fucking awful, but what kind of insanity does it sound like when a person might say, "Oh no, I'd never even dream of doing something like that. On the other hand, though, I have slashed, bludgeoned, impaled, eviscerated and shot quite a few people into hamburger, that's A-okay."

Good point. I was only asking as often when there is a lot of publicity about something getting censored it turn out it was nothing important and could have easily been removed. If something is not vital to the game, then to include it just for the sake of being controversial seems a bit silly, especially if it brings bad publicity to the game.

I did another morrowind playthrough this christmas, I haven't touched mass effect for years (and only played the first and half of the second game, at which moment I couldn't be bothered to care anymore (because I thought they weren't all they were cranked up te be)...the quarians somehow stuck, they've become a recurring theme somehow; something which I don't at all mind *blush naughtily*

Got to go back to work now though, I'll see you all later!

There was a South Park episode along those line, how people are offended a lot more by sex than violence.

Indeed, I was being nice to the crew the whole time in mass effect, and because I never swore at the what's-her-name lady for liking awfull poetry or being christian (far worse, that), I wound up in bed with her...that was dissapointing to say the least. Not to mention offensive to my very selective virgin instincts...

Weren't there issues with that game about being able to sleep with the blue woman if you were of the female gender yourself?

I bit silly, all that stuff. I've never quite gotten what's wrong with gay/lesbian people, let stand gay/lesbian marriage.

That actually an interesting question. I think, while there are countless games that involve killing people, it's not seen as problematic because the people killed are seen as obstacles, threats - they are clearly enemies pitted against the player. They are part of the challenge, so no big deal - even a gory death is just a means to heighten the sense of satisfaction of having overcome the odds.

When it comes to killing unarmed, harmless people - this is a game changer. It's no wonder that airport scene in Modern Warfare caused such a controversy - the same with Hatred.
To take this to the next level, add torture and humilation... and I see rape on this level. It's a different thing to kill countless enemies, even in visceral detail, to survive, progress the story, save the world, whatever than to "enjoy" a (maybe prolongued) scene where a helpless victim is tormented. Manhunt (banned in Germany) had gut-wrenching kill scenes, but at least the victims were obviously sadistic killers themselves and it all made sense in the context of generating high TV ratings for the snuff show (brilliantly dark satire, imo) - so it was kind of cruel justice.

I think the difference is "justified" vs "unjustified" violence, we want to kill our enemies - even in spectacular ways. The notion to willfully agonizing people (who not even might be enemies) and humiliating them is causing a great feeling of discomfort.

To me, it feels like they wanted to take a stand, given that it really, in and of itself, isn't explicit, but also that people should have the right to choose what they want to do in regards to entertainment, unless it's something that's straight-up illegal to view at all, of course.

Good evening!

(I love this... to be reminded that people all over the world have totally different schedules).

And for me it's time to say Good night everybody also. Work is done, my wife also wants a piece of me.

Good Evening and Good Night:-)

Morning gunsynd,

Night Tom.

Right. It gives the excuse. It's not because people might want to be the cause of someone suffering horribly before they die, it's because they're the enemy, an opponent, an obstacle to overcome and wipe out.

That's because I'm having an AC in my face. Some materials are kinda heat sensitive(fossils and the like).