So basically consoles are like pcs now with upcoming next gen with the ps5 and the new xbox so wouldn’t it be the best time by now to add proper mouse and keyboard support.It won’t probably happen with the next gen but with the ps6 and xbox series x 2 this should definetly be added.What are your thoughts about this?

Standard USB keyboard + mouse support has been a thing since the PS2, it's just unfortunately been on the companies to support it. I know there were a couple of FPSs on PS3 that could be played with K+M but I can't remember which ones off the top of my head. They tend to look at it more as a neat extra than something that should be implemented, which is a shame.

They do support KBM, it's just the developers that never utilize it. Consoles are largely a simplified entertainment center experience, so it makes sense they don't usually bother. If you're gonna sit at a desk and hook a game machine up to a monitor then you'd probably veer more towards a cheaper PC.

Xbox One has had full Keyboard and Mouse support for some time already. Developers can incorporate it in games if they want right now. A lot of strategy type games in particular are coming out with the option, plus games like PUBG, Metro Exodus etc. It's entirely in the hands of devs if and how they want to use it. The next Xbox will continue this policy. Razor are selling Xbox branded mouse and keyboard setups with a sort of lap board for this reason, but any USB M&K works.

PS4 has mouse and keyboard, but only for desktop functions like the browser, it's not for games. Hell even the PS1 had a mouse and a handful of games that used it.

There is not really a point for having a cheaper pc if you want to play on 4k ultra settings so im more into gaming rigs but that was not my question because many pc gamers also play on consoles because of exclusives Im pretty sure after the upcoming gen they get really beefed up and hardcore gamers will always prefer dedicated hardware and the best experience so every game should support it by than especially for the exclusives

I'm sure there are people who have a PS4 sitting on top of a gaming PC, hooked up to the same monitor, to play exclusives on, who would like mouse control. However I'm also sure this is a very small number of people relative to the market, and that's why developers don't focus on them.

Meh.

I already have a general-purpose gaming PC so why should I care for a walled-garden gaming-console which has only the bad features from gaming PCs? (The good thing about consoles are their lower price, so that is a positive to those who can't or don't want to pay for a gaming-PC, I guess.)

The last good gaming console was PS2. Damn it rocked hard, it did everything right, even acting as a DVD player on top of gaming. It was especially good if you modded it and added a hard drive so you could install and run PS2 games from the hard drive.

Also unlike modern consoles, PS2 (and PSOne) game library was different enough from PCs, justifying for any gamer to own both a gaming PC and a console. You got to play wildly different games and genres on each system, while nowadays 90% of the game library is overlapping. Even the "exclusives" tend to be genres that appear on the other platforms as well, ie. PCs get lots of Mario and Spyro-like 3D platformers, while consoles get also FPS games and (I presume) strategy games.

PS3 and newer consoles are just PC-wannabes. Interesting to think how nowadays they are using PC CPUs and GPUs, while back in the day the console-gamers would sneer at PC gamers how consoles have newer and more modern components, not some x86 compatible shit.

No, simply because consoles are still meant to be played in the living room with a big screen, from the sofa or sitting on the floor with your legs crossed. Most people don't want to deal with a keyboard and mouse for gaming from such a setting, even if it is doable (e.g. I am certainly using a wireless keyboard and mouse also from the sofa, but it takes some getting used to).

So, in essence gaming consoles NEED a gaming controller that can be held in the air, in your hands. Hence, the gamepads keep reigning on gaming consoles. Gamepads are jack of all trades, not excelling on pretty much anything, but still being suitable for quite many genres.

Also, for casual and new gamers, learning to play through a simpler gamepad is much easier than trying to learn WASD + mouse controls from a general purpose keyboard + mouse setting. A gamepad-only console is more approachable than a keyboard+mouse system. There used to be much more of those exclusives with PSOne/PSX and PS2, also on the PC side. Back then it made much more sense to own both a gaming PC, and a gaming console.

Nowadays 90% of the game library, especially for AAA games, is cross-platform. There is much less reason to own both for gaming.

And for those who believe streaming gaming will be the future, I guess it doesn't matter at all what system you use for that, as long as it can connect to the internets. Not if they are playing from the sofa in their living room. I think that is also why e.g. steering wheels and pedals didn't ever become that mainstream on consoles, most players just didn't want to set them up in the living room from their sofa. You can't use the pedals on the floor if you are lying on the sofa sideways, or with your legs raised on the sofa table, or sitting on the floor. You basically need a desktop setting (a table + a good chair) for wheel + pedals, or e.g. a flightstick + pedals for serious flight simulators.

Well, you still have this utility with modern consoles like the PS4 that gives you a "free" blu ray player. But consoles are mostly for the exclusives that you can't get on PC - legally anyway. Games like Bloodborne, Persona 5, God of War (latest) and many others are exclusives. Now obviously you don't NEED to play those but they are good games nonetheless.

That's the reason to get a modern console: convenience and for the exclusives.

You're wrong: console are ALREADY a variation of the modern PC architecture since PS4 and XbOne adopted an AMD SoC with a x86 CPU inside.

PS5 and Xbox Series Shit will be "more of the same", while the PC architecture will be many times more powerful a few months after the ninth generation consoles debut.

And there's nothing wrong with all of this. The PC master race won, and that's all :-P

Consoles have always been "personal computers", limited by the available software (as is every other 'PC").

Right now the majority of the people in the world consider their phone their one and only PC. But I guess you didn't want to hear that?

Will this be a PC master race thread? lol

I guess, but it seems nowadays the games are overlapping much more than back in the PS2 and PSOne days. That can be considered both as a positive and a negative thing, I guess. Positive, as nowadays you don't need to own several gaming devices that much (in order not to miss lots of games you might enjoy).

And what do you consider negative about it?