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When I read the title I thoght that the thread was about share some PC Hating quotes.

The most stupid quote that I've read more than once (unbelievable) "The PC has no exclusives" when all we know that PC has the largest catalog ever (+ exclusives) and even exclusives game genres like RTS (rare being seen on consoles) The irony is that the PC can run even console exclusives (isn't legal but it's a fact)
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nicohvc: The most stupid quote that I've read more than once (unbelievable) "The PC has no exclusives" when all we know that PC has the largest catalog ever (+ exclusives) and even exclusives game genres like RTS (rare being seen on consoles)
I'm reminded of Starcraft for N64. While the base game did get on it, it was missing a lot, like voice acting, animation, it was gimped to work around the controller, and otherwise a really poor port. (mostly due to ROM space)

For those quoting such lines as 'PC has no exclusives' they obviously never looked at the back catalog of games. Though some like certain Ultima games didd get a console port, they were either gimped/changed, or the no-mouse made UI management a pain (moreso than it already was), needing a lot of convenience features that aren't present.
Post edited March 05, 2018 by rtcvb32
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rtcvb32: For those quoting such lines as 'PC has no exclusives' they obviously never looked at the back catalog of games. Though some like certain Ultima games didd get a console port, they were either gimped/changed, or the no-mouse made UI management a pain (moreso than it already was), needing a lot of convenience features that aren't present.
I am actually familiar with the console ports of many RPGs. It's not just the Ultima games that got ported; you also see ports of Wizardry and Might and Magic. Here are a few things to note:

Wizardry: These actually ported rather well. The number of possible commands is relatively small, so you don't have too much menuing to do here. Also, when casting a spell, in console ports you can actually see which spells you know and how much MP you have left. The only real compromise comes in Wizardry 5 and later, where the conversation system doesn't port well; in SNES Wizardry 5, you automatically get all dialog when talking, while in PSX Wizardry 5, you choose keywords from a menu. Starting with the SNES/SFC versions, it is common to have an auto-map that pops up when you cast DUMAPIC, making it much less important to make hand-made maps. Of course, some ports have bugs; in Wizardry 1 NES AC doesn't work for party members, and in Wizardry 5 PSX BACORTU doesn't work at all.

Might and Magic: 1 saw an NES version; that version is decent except for the fact that Locust Plagues are far deadlier than they should be (by "far deadlier", I mean that, instead of dealing 10 damage to one character, they wipe out your entire party if they get to act). 2 on the Sega Genesis is decent (though I prefer the DOS version when it comes to game mechanics); 2 on the SNES (European version) was so buggy it's not worth playing. (I suspect the reason that version didn't see US release is that it failed to pass Nintendo of America's quality control; it was that buggy.) Supposedly there exists a Japanese Famicom version, but it is completely different. 3 saw SNES release, and while playable, it's slow and does have a bug that makes a certain stat much harder to increase.

(Will later edit with information on Ultima console ports.)

Edit: Here's the scoop on Ultima ports.
3: Saw an NES port. This port is somewhat similar to computer versions, but there are some differences; one in particular is that the enemies that appear on the overworld are dependent on your level. I prefer computer versions here mainly because, in the NES version, druids don't get fast MP regen.
4: There are two different console ports, one to the NES and one to the Sega Master System. The NES version (made by Pony Canyon, who also made the console ports of the other games) is quite different from other versions; the combat mechanics are completely different, some spells are different (Blink is now a combat-only spell that lets you valorously flee battle), and there are tons of other changes; I do consider this version worth playing. The SMS version, on the other hand, is more faithful to computer versions, though there are some differences, like being able to attack in all directions (though not through walls, unlike the NES version), and the first person view in dungeons being absent. This version (developed by Sega) is also worth playing.
5: For the NES, they tried to remake it in the style of Ultima 6, but the result was a mess. The game is sluggish, ignores input for 5 frames each second (at 60fps), has only one music track for the entire game (which loops every 19.2 seconds), and it seems that you need to game over to regain MP. This version is *not* worth playing.
6: Saw a SNES port. This one actually looks and sounds like its computer counterpart, but some sacrifices did need to be made. Also, the English version is oddly slow. With that said, this version, while inferior to the PC version, is still a decent game (unlike 5 NES).
7: Apparently saw a SNES adaptation, but I am not familiar with it, and it seems to be quite different from the DOS version.
Post edited March 05, 2018 by dtgreene
In closing...
Post edited March 05, 2018 by tinyE
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dtgreene: Might and Magic: 1 saw an NES version; that version is decent except for the fact that Locust Plagues are far deadlier than they should be (by "far deadlier", I mean that, instead of dealing 10 damage to one character, they wipe out your entire party if they get to act).
Hmmm there's some screenshots from the CRPG book... seems applicable here.
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dtgreene: Might and Magic: 1 saw an NES version; that version is decent except for the fact that Locust Plagues are far deadlier than they should be (by "far deadlier", I mean that, instead of dealing 10 damage to one character, they wipe out your entire party if they get to act).
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rtcvb32: Hmmm there's some screenshots from the CRPG book... seems applicable here.
So there's apparently a PC engine port of the game? Anyone know what it's like?

(Also, has anyone played the Japanese Famicom version of MM2?)
The mouse is so heavy, moving it is hurting my shoulder recording this.

You're crouched over in a dimly lit room, your small monitor.

You're trying to move this mouse around, you have to grunt every time you move.

Ugh ugh, ugh!
Hmmm #10 quotes. This is... i don't know.
Meh. Yes people say stupid things online, especially in the GOG forums. Then someone takes time to archive all those stupid things and makes a Youtube-video out of them.

I prefer PC as a gaming platform, but that has more to do with the semi-freedom PC still offers, rather than 30fps vs 60fps or 4K resolutions or the PC version offering HairWorks(tm).
Well, I've never owned a console in my life, and I have to admit... I can't really tell the difference between 30 and 60FPS. I mean, I'm sure I could see it if someone showed me video footage of the two running side by side - but when I'm actually playing games, I don't tend to notice framerate unless it gets really jerky. So I guess that makes me a 'PC Peasant'? :P I prefer PC gaming because I find the controls more flexible and intuitive, and because of the wider availability of mods and games from genres I like (e.g. turn-based strategy). FPS differences just don't really register with me.
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kohlrak: I'm of the opinion that if you use a tool, you should reasonably be informed on how to fix and maintain it to a reasonable degree. If you're trying to use a microwave, and you're standing there confused because it's in timer mode or something, and you can't figure out how to get it back, i am going to make fun of you. I don't care if it hurts your feelings. If you don't know how, to a reasonable degree, something works, you are a danger to yourself and those around you. The same thing can be said about computers, believe it or not. The same thing can even be said about consoles, though to a lesser degree. I don't care if you "don't have an interest," and neither does danger. Making fun of these people is a form of ostracism which is often ultimately for their own benefit.
I wasn't talking about basic use scenarios, but more the deep dive of "this runs at 60hz but the animation is 30hz and it feels weird" kind of anal expertise. My dad can use his laptop to order parts and read unfortunately chosen news sites, but could he add more RAM or reformat it? Probably not, and I think that's fine. I know how to drive a car and maybe change a tire, but for everything else there's AAA and mechanics.

I find PC gaming's benefits far outweigh its negatives, but the majority of society disagrees and I understand that.
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StingingVelvet: I wasn't talking about basic use scenarios, but more the deep dive of "this runs at 60hz but the animation is 30hz and it feels weird" kind of anal expertise.
Hmmm...

Higher framerates for TV isn't a sell on me, not because it can't be good, but i keep seeing on the demos where they run a movie, it runs smooth, then glitches after 2 seconds and loses 2-3 frames in a stutter. (might be 24->48 frames, and missing 12 frames, with 60hz refresh; Had it been in UK/Europe with 50Hz refresh the problem would be barely noticeable)

I am also reminded watching on a friend's TV where we put in the MASH movie. It wasn't 30fps, it was 60. This is likely due to it doing NTSC interlacing where it was alternating between the two fields (top/bottom) to get that effect. However it still had that framedrop glitch. I don't think i can live with that. Like 'cinematic widescreen' TV mode where it stretches portions of it and just irks me, rather than scaling it properly.

CGI animation looks weird, mostly the physics of the hair looks unnatural and stands out, and has a sense of... the uncanny valley, at least in movement and physics.
Meh. I tried to "watch" the first clip, but I had to turn it off 2-3 minutes in. I've got better things to do with my time than listening to some random dude's ramblings.
Post edited March 05, 2018 by Mr.Mumbles
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Mr.Mumbles: Meh. I tried to "watch" the first clip, but I had to turn it off 2-3 minutes in. I've got better things to do with my time than listening to some random dude's ramblings.
Well the first on i 'listened to' was something like 32. Truthfully there's a lot of duplication and it does seem to get a bit stale. Probably has a better groove in the late 20's and 30's, so if you wanted skip ahead, i doubt you'll be missing anything important if you wanted to.
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kohlrak: I'm of the opinion that if you use a tool, you should reasonably be informed on how to fix and maintain it to a reasonable degree. If you're trying to use a microwave, and you're standing there confused because it's in timer mode or something, and you can't figure out how to get it back, i am going to make fun of you. I don't care if it hurts your feelings. If you don't know how, to a reasonable degree, something works, you are a danger to yourself and those around you. The same thing can be said about computers, believe it or not. The same thing can even be said about consoles, though to a lesser degree. I don't care if you "don't have an interest," and neither does danger. Making fun of these people is a form of ostracism which is often ultimately for their own benefit.

I would give a pass to your father, if and only if, he refuses to use computers, because that means he has respect for his tools and his lack of knowledge.

Plus, anyone who makes ridiculous claims that are counter to reality are showing vanity, and that deserves ostracism. I honestly think that is why we humans developed humor: to ostracize the lack of humility. If you don't know something, talking about it with pride is the communication of misinformation, which is unethical. Laughing at someone is far nicer than what some other cultures throughout history have found worthy as a deterrent. Get off your high horse.
I dunno, I seem to be of the almost exact opposite viewpoint. I use a car regularly, and get oil changes done when scheduled to, but if I'm required to do something beyond change the tire, I'll be at a loss. I'd call someone to get it fixed.
These things are all tools, mean to help us lead better lives, not unwritten obligations to get a minor degree in computing.
And I feel that someone refusing to use something like a computer because they feel they're not knowledgeable enough about it is...childish and frustrating.

All that is, of course, besides the main point: No offense to rtcvb32 at all, but I didn't really find the video posted in the original post amusing, or instructive or even beneficial to anyone- I mean that last point in the sense that they "deserve" ostracism. That sort of attitude brings to mind a road-ragey friend of mine who felt the need to "teach the other drivers lessons" when they cut him off by overtaking them and slowing down in front of them to frustrate them- didn't serve any purpose except to make me not want to be in the car with him :D.
They might "deserve" ostracism, but I don't care enough about other people's opinions on their own stuff to bother with it.

Wow, that was certainly a very long post by me about essentially nothing...
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Mr.Mumbles: I've got better things to do with my time than listening to some random dude's ramblings.
Tell me about it!