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Does the Sinnerman side job make Cyberpunk 2077 a good christian game? :x
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sasuke12: I am assuming that as a conservative christian you want "CLEAN" games that don't have any political agendas or subversive nonsense in them.
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4-vektor: It’s kind of ironic that you assume that OP doesn’t want “political agendas” or “subversive nonsense” in them, and then you list some games that are at their core about political and societal agendas and surbversive ideas.

*sacrifice

*apocalypse (if the book of revelations isn’t about political and societal agendas, then I don’t know)

*gene manipulation

*human cloning

*mechanical and cybernetic enhancement/manipulation of humans

*artificial intelligence and transferring consciousness to hardware, man-made artificial immortality (not very Christian)

*manipulating populations on a global scale

And the most baffling part you mention is

* Christian themes about helping good people...

Which is some supply side Jesus level understanding of Christianity or Catholicism in particular.

And the whole killing people thing is also not so much in the vein of “love thy enemy”, nor very “clean”, unless we still apply the value system of the early crusades from almost a millenium ago where killing infidels was a good thing by definition. ;)

By no means I’m criticizing these games. They’re actually good, and e.g. Deus Ex is on my all-time favorite list. But these games or games in general contain a lot of “subversive” and political “agendas”, even if sometimes only by implication.
the world did change a lot since the crusades. the value of a life went upwards. A death sentence, even for the worst committers, is not favorable anymore though i still can't completely get my head around the wants and the needs and what is expected explained in law... We do appreciate life in all of its forms, we don't take someone else their life but we do try to contain life that is a danger for our own ways even if it means to strap that one up for life medicating the .... but that is personal of course.

In a sense the way the game is developed and by whom would be the major decider is this one is or is not suitable for
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RafaelRamus: If you are Conservative and/or Christian Catholic like me, please, join in the conversation.

Which games have you played (preferably to the end) and you recommend?
Can you be a bit more specific which values we should concentrate on and what are those "in your face" problematic categories? This is good to know because there isn't a real consensus what even are the familiar values of conservative christians, and strictly speaking catholicism is a different beast alltogether.

Edit: disregard, I didn't see a post back there.
Post edited December 29, 2020 by Titanium
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RafaelRamus: Thanks for the recommendation. Regarding your point, well, I don't know how much "in your face" it is, but if it is too much maybe this should indeed be in the store page (although it is in the reviews. I wish people were so thrilled to point out some other things in other games the same way they bring this up in those reviews though); maybe a single phrase like "fantasy with Christian undertones". The thing is that, overall, the better the authors are at writing, the better they can get away with it. Tolkien's works are pretty Catholic (and, according to him, this was a conscient effort during his editing more so than during the writing, which is something that I find not that easy to do - I say this as a writer myself) and still people don't go writing "well, that was pretty Catholic of him" in their reviews of the books - well, that is, unless you are Catholic yourself.
For what it's worth, I was baptized and raised as a Catholic, but as an adult I'm not religious at all, agnostic if anything, and I don't mind criticism of religion either, but I wasn't bothered by Christian themes in Driftmoon and didn't perceive it as such an issue as other players, I still liked the game very much. I didn't think it was that intrusive. From what I remember, the game includes a book item with the text of a complete bible, and during the finale Christian themes become more important but in general it's just a lighthearted fantasy game. Not as subtle as Tolkien, maybe more in the vein of C.S. Lewis. In any case, the devs seem like very nice and creative people, regardless of their faith, and I thought the game was fun regardless of them putting a part of themselves into it, too, maybe even more interesting for it.
Post edited December 29, 2020 by Leroux
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4-vektor: It’s kind of ironic that you assume that OP doesn’t want “political agendas” or “subversive nonsense” in them, and then you list some games that are at their core about political and societal agendas and surbversive ideas.

*sacrifice

*apocalypse (if the book of revelations isn’t about political and societal agendas, then I don’t know)

*gene manipulation

*human cloning

*mechanical and cybernetic enhancement/manipulation of humans

*artificial intelligence and transferring consciousness to hardware, man-made artificial immortality (not very Christian)

*manipulating populations on a global scale

And the most baffling part you mention is

* Christian themes about helping good people...

Which is some supply side Jesus level understanding of Christianity or Catholicism in particular.

And the whole killing people thing is also not so much in the vein of “love thy enemy”, nor very “clean”, unless we still apply the value system of the early crusades from almost a millenium ago where killing infidels was a good thing by definition. ;)

By no means I’m criticizing these games. They’re actually good, and e.g. Deus Ex is on my all-time favorite list. But these games or games in general contain a lot of “subversive” and political “agendas”, even if sometimes only by implication.
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Radiance1979: the world did change a lot since the crusades. the value of a life went upwards. A death sentence, even for the worst committers, is not favorable anymore though i still can't completely get my head around the wants and the needs and what is expected explained in law... We do appreciate life in all of its forms, we don't take someone else their life but we do try to contain life that is a danger for our own ways even if it means to strap that one up for life medicating the .... but that is personal of course.

In a sense the way the game is developed and by whom would be the major decider is this one is or is not suitable for
My point is that OP is quite vague about what they’re looking for, and that “Christian” has a very different ring in the US than e.g. in most of Europe. And even in our modern times going on literally “a crusade” against “terrorism” after 9/11 was a mostly unchallenged notion, at least in the beginning. And as a consequence, the value of a lot of brown-skinned people’s lives was at least questionable. All in the name of the good old new-born Christian George W. Bush. The value of life is quite volatile in the eyes of a lot of people. A lot of it is “Do as I say, not as I do.”

I’m not condemning anyone’s personal religious beliefs or lack thereof, but as I said, it’s hard to say what OP wants if they aren’t more specific about their personal selective “Christian” taboos.
Post edited December 29, 2020 by 4-vektor
I remember this one priest from my childhood that explained how ALL games were the work of the devil and no good Christian should ever touch such.
Wait, no mention of Spiritfarer yet? Seems like guiding spirits to the great beyond seems like it'd be right on the nose.

Another rather peaceful game would be Heaven's Vault where you play a virtual archeologist.

Or you could play as an actual virtual construct, solving puzzles, all along trying to figure out what all that human stuff was about in The Talos Principle. Heck, you even have your very own deity to praise and admonish you. ;)

I suppose something like Stardew Valley would also very much fit into the peaceful game category.

And as a supreme cheap shot.... there's Super 3-D Noah's Ark. Yes, put those animals to "sleep". ;)

Honestly, there are quite a lot of non-aggressive games on here.

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timppu: As far as I know, Catholics don't make love. They make babies.
Thanks. Now I have this absurd image of women magically popping out babies in my head. =/
Post edited December 29, 2020 by Mr.Mumbles
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Radiance1979: the world did change a lot since the crusades. the value of a life went upwards. A death sentence, even for the worst committers, is not favorable anymore though i still can't completely get my head around the wants and the needs and what is expected explained in law... We do appreciate life in all of its forms, we don't take someone else their life but we do try to contain life that is a danger for our own ways even if it means to strap that one up for life medicating the .... but that is personal of course.

In a sense the way the game is developed and by whom would be the major decider is this one is or is not suitable for
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4-vektor: My point is that OP is quite vague about what they’re looking for, and that “Christian” has a very different ring in the US than e.g. in most of Europe. And even in our modern times going on literally “a crusade” against “terrorism” after 9/11 was a mostly unchallenged notion, at least in the beginning. And as a consequence, the value of a lot of brown-skinned people’s lives was at least questionable. All in the name of the good old new-born Christian George W. Bush. The value of life is quite volatile in the eyes of a lot of people. A lot of it is “Do as I say, not as I do.”

I’m not condemning anyone’s personal religious beliefs or lack thereof, but as I said, it’s hard to say what OP wants if they aren’t more specific about their personal selective “Christian” taboos.
Well the OP did ask for some recommendations from people with a religious background x and y . it is not that hard
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Radiance1979: Well the OP did ask for some recommendations from people with a religious background x and y . it is not that hard
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I did, indeed, thanks for pointing this out.

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4-vektor: My point is that OP is quite vague about what they’re looking for, and that “Christian” has a very different ring in the US than e.g. in most of Europe.
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I can understand the argument that I was a bit vague about it though, but in my defense regarding this point I think the best thing about a thread like this is people are encouraged to tell why they are recommending such and such games, so maybe this thread will also help someone in the future - maybe Catholic, maybe Conservative (of the different kinds. I'm a Brazilian Catholic that is conservative about family values for those that are wondering. I do recognize that some things conservative people in other parts of the World talk about are alien to me, as in "I don't fully grasp the fullness of what is being discussed", particularly when it comes to the national level and the ways of the land), maybe both.

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4-vektor: And even in our modern times going on literally “a crusade” against “terrorism” after 9/11 was a mostly unchallenged notion, at least in the beginning. And as a consequence, the value of a lot of brown-skinned people’s lives was at least questionable. All in the name of the good old new-born Christian George W. Bush.
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Wait a second, mr. Skull and Bones the Second calls himself a new-born Christian and people go on blaming Christians all over the World for his ways and actions?

It really isn't my intent to turn this thread more into politics than necessary (I'd hate to see this thread locked down because of discussions about this), so let's try to stay away from politicians unless it's something related to some game.

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Themken: I remember this one priest from my childhood that explained how ALL games were the work of the devil and no good Christian should ever touch such.
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That's unfortunate. Blessed Carlos Acutis is in process of canonization (might be a long one until this is decided though) and he used to play video-games regularly (although with Temperance). We Catholics are encouraged to look in the life of the saints and the blessed for answers to how should we conduct ourselves regarding X and Y. His beatification process and subsequent approval is already an indication of the Church's instance regarding this.

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Post edited December 29, 2020 by RafaelRamus
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Orkhepaj: Anno 1800, pretty cool city management game.
There are some really butthurt and sick people going after you with their thumbs down. It is not important though, but it is easy to notice, and just goes to show there are some sick people around. The thumbs down warriors.
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Orkhepaj: Anno 1800, pretty cool city management game.
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Wishmaster777: There are some really butthurt and sick people going after you with their thumbs down. It is not important though, but it is easy to notice, and just goes to show there are some sick people around. The thumbs down warriors.
I have noticed it as well.

I love the Anno series by the way, it was a really good suggestion (a shame this one is not on the GOG catalogue).
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sasuke12: I am assuming that as a conservative christian you want "CLEAN" games that don't have any political agendas or subversive nonsense in them.
I am assuming you just want family friendly games that won't raise any eyebrows if your parents walk in your room while you are playing those games. And games that show themes taught in the Bible.

Here is a short list -

Freebird games for its christian themes about helping good people
Supergiant games for its christian themes about love and sacrifice
Alan Wake games for its christian themes about about loyalty to wife
Darksiders series for its christian themes about apocalypse
Abzu for its christian themes about accepting and respecting nature
The Vanishing of Ethan Carter for its christian themes about respecting and loving your family members
Deus Ex GOTY for its christian themes about why man should never play god and the consequences of playing god
Cuphead for its christian themes about overcoming adversity
Alan wake is darksided. DARKSIDED !!
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Kingdom Come- Deliverance

Amazing game that also tells a human story. Most people are Christians and its is overt, because Europe was historically a place of devout people. The game doesnt try and demonize anyone or pretend everyone that t hinks a certain way is good. You can easily play the game and base your decision on your own conscious, unlike many games where you get to pick one of two cynical choices. Instead the game goes more with the "no good deed goes unpunished", where choosing to do whats right is often more difficult, and sometimes impossible.
Anyways, its a breath of fresh air. Realistic, yes, with people living and sinning, but its not a nihlistic/degenerate world view.

Besides that anything made pre 2000 is usually a semi safe bet.
Post edited December 30, 2020 by SirHandsome
Inquisitor. Or the dark side of Christianity. The background in interesting.
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Themken: I remember this one priest from my childhood that explained how ALL games were the work of the devil and no good Christian should ever touch such.
umm..
My Mother actually said that!
lol

fun fact: Roman Catholic Church owns Radio Towers in most countries.
Post edited December 30, 2020 by novumZ