Posted January 29, 2017
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NoNewTaleToTell
Deathrocker
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From United States
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Exhodos
Faire chier les cons, une vraie passion.
Registered: Mar 2016
From France
Posted January 29, 2017
Well, I don't have Stream account, but that is an excellent idea... But just thinking of downloading twice 10 GB with my crappy connection gives me anxiety attack.
But hell, that is brilliant...
But hell, that is brilliant...
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Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted January 29, 2017
Get a used hd7950/70/r9 280(x) or gtx 670/770 - and enjoy.
Built-in intel graphics are all garbage for current 3d, except Intel Iris.
Built-in intel graphics are all garbage for current 3d, except Intel Iris.
Post edited January 29, 2017 by Lin545
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timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted January 29, 2017
Since those were apparently Steam games, Steam has an option to enable a FPS counter. Works even with non-Steam games if you run them through Steam, I did that in order to see what kind of framerates I get on my gaming laptop on e.g. The Witcher 3 (GOG version).
NoNewTaleToTell: Those are just a few examples. Gaming with a 4000/4400 card isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, although it's definitely not ideal if you're looking to play big name AAA games from 2014-ish onward haha. Yeah pretty much this. Anyway, to me the biggest positive suprise really was how good it is at running older (Windows) games where I might have serious compatibility issues with e.g. NVidia GPUs.
Oddly enough, this jump in backwards compatibility seemed to happen with some more recent Intel GPU drivers; with older drivers there were lots of compatibility issues. With NVidia drivers I am used to the opposite: newer drivers may break some older games.
Are there integrated Intel GPUs on desktop PCs nowadays? I assumed he is playing on a laptop (since he mentioned using integrated Intel HD graphics).
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Oddly enough, this jump in backwards compatibility seemed to happen with some more recent Intel GPU drivers; with older drivers there were lots of compatibility issues. With NVidia drivers I am used to the opposite: newer drivers may break some older games.
Are there integrated Intel GPUs on desktop PCs nowadays? I assumed he is playing on a laptop (since he mentioned using integrated Intel HD graphics).
Post edited January 29, 2017 by timppu
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Exhodos
Faire chier les cons, une vraie passion.
Registered: Mar 2016
From France
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Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted January 29, 2017
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Built-in intel graphics are all garbage for current 3d, except Intel Iris.
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EDIT - ...as timppu said...
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If by "nowadays" you mean 2015-17 then 1151 socket supports it: and [url=http://geizhals.eu/?cat=mbp4_1151&asuch=&bpmax=&v=e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&plz=&dist=&mail=&fcols=7090&sort=t&bl1_id=30]motherboards.
If you also include 2015 and before, 1150, 1155 and 1156 also supported it.
Edit: found it! It was i3-3220 in msi matx mainboard (forgot which), given it 4 gigs of ram with 2 banks - which is more than enough for internet use and light gaming. Still thinking I should've used amd+asus instead...
Post edited January 29, 2017 by Lin545
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OlivawR
New User
Registered: Dec 2013
From Italy
Posted January 29, 2017
The game is not listed on Intel's list of playable games.
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/graphics-drivers/graphics-for-3rd-generation-intel-processors/000005659.html
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/graphics-drivers/graphics-for-3rd-generation-intel-processors/000005659.html
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clarry
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Posted January 29, 2017
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https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/graphics-drivers/graphics-for-3rd-generation-intel-processors/000005659.html
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BreOl72
GOG is spiralling down
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted January 29, 2017
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-2500.69812.0.html
Edit:
"Compared to the faster HD Graphics 4000, the 2500 one features less Execution Units (6 versus 16) and only one texture sampler. Therefore, the performance is clearly worse and only suited for low demanding gaming. Intel states a 10 to 15% higher performance compared to the old Sandy Bridge based HD Graphics 2000. Therefore, only older casual games with low requirements are playable with the HD 2500."
Post edited January 29, 2017 by BreOl72
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DosFreak
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Registered: Sep 2008
From United States
Posted January 30, 2017
I know this is a crazy idea but mabye ask on the developer forums?
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Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted January 30, 2017
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-2500.69812.0.html
Edit:
"Compared to the faster HD Graphics 4000, the 2500 one features less Execution Units (6 versus 16) and only one texture sampler. Therefore, the performance is clearly worse and only suited for low demanding gaming. Intel states a 10 to 15% higher performance compared to the old Sandy Bridge based HD Graphics 2000. Therefore, only older casual games with low requirements are playable with the HD 2500."
Its because of how graphics engine of all mainstream OSes works. All of them handle window placements via compositing and use textures. This is contrast to old gdi/xorg model, where windows are plotted in 2d buffer by 2d functions.
This is why both intel and amd produce so low-level "3d" chips... they are not designed for "3d games". If they run two decade old 3d game, this is an unforseen bonus.