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TARFU: There are many strangers, some long dead, that I actively respect, so I will have to disagree with you.
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Alaric.us: They aren't really all that strange if you are familiar with their achievements. =) Even though you have obviously never met them.
I'm the type who gives reciprocal courtesy, respect.

Respect is more than achievement related. For plain instance - a decision is not an achievement. I respect some people for the decisions they make. As for those who have achievements as you say - I'll interact in deference depending on the 'achievement'.
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Alaric.us: They aren't really all that strange if you are familiar with their achievements. =) Even though you have obviously never met them.
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micktiegs_8: I'm the type who gives reciprocal courtesy, respect.

Respect is more than achievement related. For plain instance - a decision is not an achievement. I respect some people for the decisions they make. As for those who have achievements as you say - I'll interact in deference depending on the 'achievement'.
If those decisions carry consequences then you can say that this person's achievement is facing responsibilities including unpleasant ones.
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Alaric.us: Now, respect, is something else entirely. Respect is recognition of one's achievements.
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dtgreene: Achievements aren't the only thing that can be respected. For example, one can respect one's identity, and it is in this case that language matters. There is a difference between using somebody's preferred pronouns just to be polite and actually accepting that that person actually is the gender associated with those pronouns.

In other words, there are different things that can be respected.
No, this isn't how it works. An identity can be acknowledged. It can be treated with courtesy. But it isn't something that commands respect. Respect is earned by doing something, not proclaiming yourself to be someone.

For instance, even though I'm not about to join your fan club, I still respect you for sticking to your guns despite the general reception you get. Perseverance is something I recognize and value in a person regardless of what my opinion of that person is otherwise.

That said, I will never grant, nor expect from others, respect for just ... being. And frankly it doesn't matter one bit if one sees oneself as a garden variety straight white male, or a trigendered biracial otherkin.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by Alaric.us
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dtgreene: One can respect one's identity
So Hickory you respect pedophiles?
Your words...
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dtgreene: I SHALL GET THOSE SUPER PREDATORS TO HEEL
Woah calm down cowboy.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by Regals
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LiquidOxygen80: How about you stop insulting people who haven't insulted you?
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dtgreene: I haven't been insulting any users who haven't insulted me. (The language that some people on the forum have used counts as insulting me.)
That's the problem with you. Literally EVERYthing is insulting to you, therefore, you enter a thread with intent to derail by tone policing. Whether you realize it or not, that's standard textbook trolling. Falls directly under "concern trolling."

I don't think anyone's buying that anymore though. Lastly, no one's insulting you because they're transphobic, homophobic or any other buzzwords. They're insulting you because you're an asshole.
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LiquidOxygen80: I don't think anyone's buying that anymore though. Lastly, no one's insulting you because they're transphobic, homophobic or any other buzzwords. They're insulting you because you're an asshole.
Two things:

1. I am not an asshole.

2. The fact that people are using the t-slur and are not respecting my preferred pronouns (sometimes going as far as to call me "it") indicates that they're transphobic.
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dtgreene: 2. The fact that people are using the t-slur and are not respecting my preferred pronouns (sometimes going as far as to call me "it") indicates that they're transphobic.
No. What it indicates is that they're doing it to insult you. And they're insulting you because they perceive you as being, for lack of a better word, "an asshole".
This is what you never seem to understand no matter how many times people explain it to you.
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dtgreene: 2. The fact that people are using the t-slur and are not respecting my preferred pronouns (sometimes going as far as to call me "it") indicates that they're transphobic.
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zeogold: No. What it indicates is that they're doing it to insult you. And they're insulting you because they perceive you as being, for lack of a better word, "an asshole".
This is what you never seem to understand no matter how many times people explain it to you.
If a person were *just* insulting me, the person would not turn to using transphobic slurs and disrespecting my choice of pronoun.

If the person were not transphobic, the person would not use transphobic language.
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dtgreene: If a person were *just* insulting me, the person would not turn to using transphobic slurs and disrespecting my choice of pronoun.

If the person were not transphobic, the person would not use transphobic language.
Yes, they would.
Because they know that's what bothers you most. When you really want to hit hard with somebody, you use language which will strike them the deepest. And "transphobic" language is what, so far, has proven to trigger you the most, so they make their sentences rife with it.

They don't care about the connotations so long as it irks you as much as possible. If "asshole" was what made you the angriest, they'd likely switch to calling you "asshole" instead. It's basic schoolyard logic.
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dtgreene: If a person were *just* insulting me, the person would not turn to using transphobic slurs and disrespecting my choice of pronoun.

If the person were not transphobic, the person would not use transphobic language.
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zeogold: Yes, they would.
Because they know that's what bothers you most. When you really want to hit hard with somebody, you use language which will strike them the deepest. And "transphobic" language is what, so far, has proven to trigger you the most, so they make their sentences rife with it.
If they do that, they are also attacking all other transgender people, as well as all fair-minded people who find the word offensive.

Edit: People who use such transphobic language repeatedly should not be allowed on the forum; those who use it one time should get a warning.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: If they do that, they are also attacking all other transgender people, as well as all fair-minded people who find the word offensive.
Do you really think they care when the aim is to specifically hurt YOU as much as possible?
As I said before, basic schoolyard logic: Use what's most effective.

I have no idea how to get this through your head, but even the most liberal, LGBT-promoting people I've ever met on here hate you and would be willing to use "transphobic slurs" just in the desperate hopes of getting it through your head just what exactly you're doing that annoys them, seeing as you never seem to listen or respond to anything else.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by zeogold
I wonder if it passes the Turing test?
The very narrow gender focus makes me suspect an agenda-bot, and total resistance to irony, sarcasm and humour makes me wonder if it's human.
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zeogold: I have no idea how to get this through your head, but even the most liberal, LGBT-promoting people I've ever met on here hate you and would be willing to use "transphobic slurs" just in the desperate hopes of getting it through your head just what exactly you're doing that annoys them, seeing as you never seem to listen or respond to anything else.
I have no idea how to get this through your head, but the use of transphobic slurs (why are you using quotes around this in your post) is something that an LGBT ally would not do, and would stop if called out on it.


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PetrusOctavianus: I wonder if it passes the Turing test?
The very narrow gender focus makes me suspect an agenda-bot, and total resistance to irony, sarcasm and humour makes me wonder if it's human.
I wonder if PetrusOctavianus passes the Turing test?

The very narrow anti-(non-male) foucs makes me suspect an agenda-bot, and total resistance to irony, sarcasm and humour makes me wonder if it's human.

(Also, Alan Turing was gay.)
Post edited November 20, 2016 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: I have no idea how to get this through your head, but the use of transphobic slurs (why are you using quotes around this in your post) is something that an LGBT ally would not do, and would stop if called out on it.
Then have you considered that maybe your annoying behavior is causing people to view the LGBT movement with disdain?
You're like rtcvb32. You push particular subjects over and over and over again so hard that you turn away even the people who were supporting you to begin with. You're defeating your own purpose with how you act.

You're the exact type of person people complain about and use as an example of how the left have become a mockery. You ignore arguments, push your own agenda, and refuse to stop shoehorning it into most topics.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: Then have you considered that maybe your annoying behavior is causing people to view the LGBT movement with disdain?
You're like rtcvb32. You push particular subjects over and over and over again so hard that you turn away even the people who were supporting you to begin with. You're defeating your own purpose with how you act.

You're the exact type of person people complain about and use as an example of how the left have become a mockery. You ignore arguments, push your own agenda, and refuse to stop shoehorning it into most topics.
Do you have examples of *all* your claims?

I am not shoehorning it into *most* topics; in fact, I probably don't even *look* at most of the topics on the board.

The way I see it, I will mention it if it's relevant; if it's not, it won't be mentioned.

I note that such a topic is relevant on topics about how the forum should be moderated, as the use of slurs is one example of something that should not be allowed.

Edit: For your claim of shoehorning it into most topics, I request links to more than half the topics on the forum (since I started posting) that demonstrate me shoehorning the topic.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: I am not shoehorning it into *most* topics; in fact, I probably don't even *look* at most of the topics on the board.
Let me correct myself:
Most topics which YOU participate in, not most of all topics on the forum.
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dtgreene: The way I see it, I will mention it if it's relevant; if it's not, it won't be mentioned.
The way most of us see it, you mention it even when it's irrelevant.
Post edited November 20, 2016 by zeogold