MarkoH01: Getting it wrong in the past AND refusing to make it better when they had the chance. They decided and I did as well. If you want to protect them - go ahead.
Breja: "Protect?" What are you on about?
MarkoH01: I've made my peace and CDPR does not exist for me anymore.
Breja: Funny, it seems you're still here, using their store...
A bit late to the thread, but I thought I'd start here as things seem strange. Don't have a lot of time but I do lurk around. This last statement very much seems in the style of trolls who are really saying "go away if you don't like it" instead of being more constructive, which looking more closely, seems to be what you want but don't seem to be doing. More below.
MarkoH01: Is it fun making such stupid remarks instead of accepting arguments that are proven facts? In any case for me the discussion with you ha become a waste of time ... so please continue without me.
Breja: I don't know why you're so angry and unpleasant.
you're being insulting for no reason, you have not refuted sensibly a single thing I said, and now you're throwing a tantrum and running away.
I really don't know what happened to you, you used to seem like such a sensible person.
You know, this isn't something I would usually say out loud, but for demonstration purposes, I have to say I was thinking this very thing about you. You're usually someone I agree with. You do tend to have a bit of a rude and edgy (insulting) style so don't be surprised when it annoys people and they don't want to go in circles with you when you continue to make light of their stance and opinions and are just plain rude and don't give the impression that you want to understand anything. I highly doubt MarkoH01 would run away, lol.
lazydog: It is not counterproductive to actively criticise CPPR for adopting DRM
Breja: I never said nor implied that it is.
lazydog: nor is it an overreaction to post on these forums that CDPR have completely lost their way on DRM, backtracked on pre-order promises and retroactively added DRM mechanisms to existing games.
Breja: See above.
lazydog: Also, if you are OK with DRM under certain circumstances, it is OK to admit it. No one will hold it against you.
Breja: I'm not. It boggles my mind how you'd arrive at this conclusion. How do you get "ah, so you're ok with DRM" from me saying "I'm willing to buy their future games if they are DRM free"?
Yes, and at the same time you DO give the impression that YOU are contradicting yourself in the way you've been rude and insulting about it. To be clear, I said IMPRESSION of contradicting yourself.
Breja: Is what I'm saying really that hard to get? I have put it as plainy as possible. If we all followed your and MarkoH01 logic, if all the "anti-DRM crowd" should be lost to CDPR forever now because of what they did in the past, what incentive do they have to be anti-DRM in the future? Why cater to customers who are not and will not be your customers? If we all do as you do, then we are no longer part of the conversation. We will get nothing. Expressing outrage on the forum is irrelevant without either the threat of losing our patronage, or the promise of future patronage behind it. If your business is already lost to CDP
and never coming back, then you've made yourself a non-factor to them. I don't know how to make this simple, obvious truth any clearer.
Plus, as stated already, if you're still buying games here, then you are still making business with CD Project. You are on one hand taking an extremely dogmatic stance where past infractions mean eternal condemnation regardless of future conduct, and at the same time you fail to actually follow through on your boycott.
Now, it seems like a fair bit of miscommunication, but to be fair, your rude manner didn't help and created more of the same. Sorry for quoting so much, but it all appeared very rude.
I can only speak for myself and guess it's more or less the same for others, but I WILL stick around to attempt to course correct GOG whether or not I'm buying *anything* from here or just staying away form DRMed titles, meaning CDPR from CP2077 on. The fact that CDPR was once all for DRM free and not only have they added and left DRM in CP2077 for this long, but retroactively added it to Witcher 3 does not bode well for future releases or remasters.
You say you'll buy non DRMed stuff from them, but do you really imagine they are going to change back to DRM free with future releases and fix the DRMed ones without being absolutely clear that we will NOT put up with it? As they say, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it and MarcoH01, a big name here, sees that, as do I and others.
The idea of voting with your wallet is the best thing to do, but if you don't say you're doing that, how will they know and how will others be informed? This whole thing with CDPR and GOG is sad, a slippery slope and the idea that we're gone and hate them forever, as you say, is a misconception. We will NOT buy CDPR, maybe even from GOG UNTIL this mess is fixed. You talk of incentive and there you go. Anger customers and we vote withour wallets and speak up until we see there is no hope left at all.
Anyway,
The last full archive of GOG's, now removed, FCK DRM page:
https://web.archive.org/web/20201225003258/fckdrm.com/
Wishlist entries for removing DRM from Withcer 3 and CP2077:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/witcher_3_remove_drm https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/cyberpunk_2077_drm_free_version