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Guys, I think that some of you do not understand the meaning of the word entitlement. It means that you have the right to something, either by law or custom. For example if you ever find yourself in the United States and arrested here, our laws specifically state you are entitled to a right to a lawyer and are entitled to remain silent so as to not incriminate yourself. If you're looking for an opposite meaning, the words you're actually looking for are unentitled, ineligible, or unqualified.

Saying that, nobody is entitled to a discount on computer games. Discounts are nice when they happen but if you don't think a game is worth purchasing at its full price, they why buy it for no reason other than its on sale. Buy something else that you would actually play and enjoy.



In regards to Factorio specifically, I've always found the games graphics to be extremely ugly. Please don't debate me on this. It may look perfectly fine to people without defects in their ability to see color vision but I'm color-blind, so wouldn't know how it looks with normal color vision. I was hoping that Space Age might change that and give it an awesome space look, but it's still more of the same.
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Theoclymenus: It means that you are a spoilt little child and, as such a little brat, you feel that the outcome must go your way - or else you’ll cry, like the little crybaby you really are.
OK, now you're starting to get it. Are you capable of self-reflection? "Why Factorio no have discount! I want discount! If they no devalue their work just for me they is bad! They should work for free to give me stuff! WAAHHHHHHH!!!!! ::throws tantrum::"
It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with some shitty, greedy corporation preaching “truth” to the customers it is trying to use confidence tricks on.
You're the one who keeps babbling about corporations; nobody else mentioned them.
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Theoclymenus: It means that you are a spoilt little child and, as such a little brat, you feel that the outcome must go your way - or else you’ll cry, like the little crybaby you really are.
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eric5h5: OK, now you're starting to get it. Are you capable of self-reflection? "Why Factorio no have discount! I want discount! If they no devalue their work just for me they is bad! They should work for free to give me stuff! WAAHHHHHHH!!!!! ::throws tantrum::"

It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with some shitty, greedy corporation preaching “truth” to the customers it is trying to use confidence tricks on.
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eric5h5: You're the one who keeps babbling about corporations; nobody else mentioned them.
No, you twist the meaning of the word through 180 degrees you scoundrel ! It is a term which is meant to express a kind of arrogant and mindless expectation on the part of somebody who so far has always had things his own way. Like an arrogant corporation, for example, or a fan of a team which always wins so that they cry when they don’t win. It is not legitimate to use the term in the sense in which you are using it. The greedy company is the one which always goes” WAH WAH WAH, I want my money”. Please stop hijacking meanings of words to suit your own purposes and then ranting on like an arrogant know-it-all.

This specific usage of the word comes from England and belongs to a very specific context (i.e. football, or “soccer”). It never did have anything to do with any relationship between company and customer. That is just a mischievous abuse of the term which practically turns the meaning of the word on its head. It is ARROGANT, spoilt people who are targeted by this word, not simple customers.
Post edited October 15, 2024 by Theoclymenus
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eric5h5: OK, now you're starting to get it. Are you capable of self-reflection? "Why Factorio no have discount! I want discount! If they no devalue their work just for me they is bad! They should work for free to give me stuff! WAAHHHHHHH!!!!! ::throws tantrum::"

You're the one who keeps babbling about corporations; nobody else mentioned them.
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Theoclymenus: No, you twist the meaning of the word through 180 degrees you scoundrel ! It is a term which is meant to express a kind of arrogant and mindless expectation on the part of somebody who so far has always had things his own way. Like an arrogant corporation, for example, or a fan of a team which always wins so that they cry when they don’t win. It is not legitimate to use the term in the sense in which you are using it. The greedy company is the one which always goes” WAH WAH WAH, I want my money”. Please stop hijacking meanings of words to suit your own purposes and then ranting on like an arrogant know-it-all.

This specific usage of the word comes from England and belongs to a very specific context (i.e. football, or “soccer”). It never did have anything to do with any relationship between company and customer. That is just a mischievous abuse of the term which practically turns the meaning of the word on its head. It is ARROGANT, spoilt people who are targeted by this word, not simple customers.
And you don't see how you are the arrogant customer here, filled with sense of false entitlement? Coming here, demanding discount, or at least a justification for a price policy from a company that owes you nothing? (BTW they DID blog post to justify their policy).

"Arrogant and mindless expectation from somebody who always had things go his own way" is correct, but it's a lot of words to describe a concept that we already have single well-understood word for. Good for dictionary, not so good for normal conversation.

And like it or not, entitlement is perfect word to describe it. You can complain, you can cry, but that's about all you can do about it. It's well established meaning by now. And English is not your private property to demand how other people use it. Come to think about it, that feeling like you can dictate how people use it is pretty arrogant too. You are not *cough* entitled to that.

English is not my primary language, but just from looking through dictionary I know there are usually a lot of meanings to many words, sometimes in direct opposition to each other. Entitlement is just another example in that list, it has both positive and negative meanings. See screenshow (dictionary.com, you may notice there is NO mention of football anywhere. There IS a mention about arrogance, but it's not limited to corporations. Or football fans).
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It's kind of a shame that the coming rail system upgrade is also very much shackled to this expansion rather than being a part of an update for everyone. I probably care about that more than the actual space stuff. That said, I've actually yet to "complete" a game of Factorio. I'm always afraid of being sucked into this for a very long time... just to play a game of Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout, Stardew Valley, Legend of Heroes title, etc. for 70-100 hours (or more) each instead. Heh. ;)
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Theoclymenus: diarrhea of the mouth syndrome
I'm right and you're wrong: the thread! *rolls eyes* You're really trying to make yourself look like the biggest bloody numpty, aren't ya?
Post edited October 15, 2024 by P-E-S
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P-E-S: It's kind of a shame that the coming rail system upgrade is also very much shackled to this expansion rather than being a part of an update for everyone. I probably care about that more than the actual space stuff. That said, I've actually yet to "complete" a game of Factorio. I'm always afraid of being sucked into this for a very long time... just to play a game of Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout, etc for 70-100 hours (or more) instead. Heh. ;)
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Theoclymenus: diarrhea of the mouth syndrome
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P-E-S: I'm right and you're wrong: the thread! *rolls eyes* You're really trying to make yourself look like the biggest bloody numpty, aren't ya?
Just expressing my despair at the way this industry operates and apprising all you worthies of a few historical facts about language which you clearly weren’t aware of.
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Theoclymenus: No, you twist the meaning of the word through 180 degrees you scoundrel ! It is a term which is meant to express a kind of arrogant and mindless expectation on the part of somebody who so far has always had things his own way. Like an arrogant corporation, for example, or a fan of a team which always wins so that they cry when they don’t win. It is not legitimate to use the term in the sense in which you are using it. The greedy company is the one which always goes” WAH WAH WAH, I want my money”. Please stop hijacking meanings of words to suit your own purposes and then ranting on like an arrogant know-it-all.

This specific usage of the word comes from England and belongs to a very specific context (i.e. football, or “soccer”). It never did have anything to do with any relationship between company and customer. That is just a mischievous abuse of the term which practically turns the meaning of the word on its head. It is ARROGANT, spoilt people who are targeted by this word, not simple customers.
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huan: And you don't see how you are the arrogant customer here, filled with sense of false entitlement? Coming here, demanding discount, or at least a justification for a price policy from a company that owes you nothing? (BTW they DID blog post to justify their policy).

"Arrogant and mindless expectation from somebody who always had things go his own way" is correct, but it's a lot of words to describe a concept that we already have single well-understood word for. Good for dictionary, not so good for normal conversation.

And like it or not, entitlement is perfect word to describe it. You can complain, you can cry, but that's about all you can do about it. It's well established meaning by now. And English is not your private property to demand how other people use it. Come to think about it, that feeling like you can dictate how people use it is pretty arrogant too. You are not *cough* entitled to that.

English is not my primary language, but just from looking through dictionary I know there are usually a lot of meanings to many words, sometimes in direct opposition to each other. Entitlement is just another example in that list, it has both positive and negative meanings. See screenshow (dictionary.com, you may notice there is NO mention of football anywhere. There IS a mention about arrogance, but it's not limited to corporations. Or football fans).
Nope, it’s just a totally illegitimate transference of meaning. The word itself obviously has a literal meaning and then a secondary, derived meaning. I am pointing out the origin of the derived meaning (the context being football fans) and objecting to the distortion of that usage to mean “complaining customer”. The meaning changes drastically - almost 180 degrees - with the context. To use the word in the sense in which eric used it is just a terrible distortion of the originally intended (secondary, derived) meaning of the word.
Post edited October 15, 2024 by Theoclymenus
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Theoclymenus: (...)
Just greed, greed and greed. No discount ever (...)
"NO DISCOUNT FORR YOU!"
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Theoclymenus: (...)
Just greed, greed and greed. No discount ever (...)
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gamefood: "NO DISCOUNT FORR YOU!"
I’m not sure whether you are being sarcastic here or not ?

Anyway, I care much less about the policy of never discounting a game (although I think such a policy is greedy and mean-spirited) than I care about releasing a new DLC a full eight years after the base game was released.

There are several games in my GOG library which have received this treatment and I kind of regret buying them. Grim Dawn is one of them : there is yet another DLC on the horizon I think. How are we supposed to know when these games are actually done and dusted ? I don’t like being sold incomplete products any more than I like merely renting them from Steam.
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gamefood: "NO DISCOUNT FORR YOU!"
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Theoclymenus: Anyway, I care much less about the policy of never discounting a game (although I think such a policy is greedy and mean-spirited) than I care about releasing a new DLC a full eight years after the base game was released.
Then don't buy from them. Period. Their product, their choice. Your money, your choice.

I personally think Wube is one of the best game companies out there though. And Factorio one of the best maintained games out there too.
Post edited October 15, 2024 by pophase
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Theoclymenus: Anyway, I care much less about the policy of never discounting a game (although I think such a policy is greedy and mean-spirited) than I care about releasing a new DLC a full eight years after the base game was released.
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pophase: Then don't buy from them. Period. Their product, their choice. Your money, your choice.

I personally think Wube is one of the best game companies out there though. And Factorio one of the best maintained games out there too.
“Maintained” ? Honestly, the way some of you use words ! When a game is finished it no longer needs “maintaining”. I want a finished product, not something that requires ongoing “maintenance”.

However, I can’t argue against your main point : it is my choice. I haven’t bought it and probably won’t.
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amok: If you are going to play this card, then at least do it right. Your definition of "entitlement" is wrong here. In the English language it does not mean "win" or have anything to with "devine right" - neither of these terms shows up in any definition of "entitlement", Oxford English Dictonrary have three UK meanings for the word (ignoring the USA meanings), which are

1 - "The fact of having a right to something."
2 - "The amount to which a person has a right."
3 - "The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment."

SInce English language is an imprecise and context dependant language (i.e. the meaning of a word changes depending on the context in which it is used), in the context it is used here indicates the third meaning. So "entitlement" here is refereing to a supposed belife that (in this case) you have desrving a special treatment, in other words that you belive you are deserving a discount on this product.

There is not even anything in the etymology of the word that indicates "win" nor "devine" within the word. It is a compond word consiting of the verb "entitle" and the suffix "-ment". "Entitle" originally meant to give a chapter in a book a title, and the suffix "-ment" comes from Latin "mentum", which is added to a verb to indicate the result of the verb. So "Entitlement" then becomes the title that was given in the book.

Hope that clears it up.
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Theoclymenus: It has nothing do with any of that, you legalistic twit. It has to do with everyday usage. It also has nothing to do with anything as venerable as etymology. It’s just simply a usage of the word which came into existence at around the time when Manchester United dominated English football. At that time, people started using the term “entitled” to describe United fans who thought they ought to win every match and every trophy all the time.

Or maybe, because I’m a City fan (much more beautiful colours), I’m just being biased. But in any case, the “derogatory” usage of the term came from England and it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any relationships between companies and customers. Please spare me the “lessons” in future.
The usage of the word as 'entitled' or 'entitlement' (as described by the Oxford Dictionary) came into usage in English around the 1850s and has been in use since then. I'm sorry if I accept the use of the English language from a dictionary, you know, the way the English language is described, instead of some esoteric sports slang from Manchester. But I guess that is my fault.

I also find it funny that you got hung up on the last point (etymology), when that was more of a footnote (or aside) than the main point, which was above. I guess the post was too long for you to read, but then I could hardly expect anything more from someone who bases their understanding of the English language on how it is used in sports
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Theoclymenus: It has nothing do with any of that, you legalistic twit. It has to do with everyday usage. It also has nothing to do with anything as venerable as etymology. It’s just simply a usage of the word which came into existence at around the time when Manchester United dominated English football. At that time, people started using the term “entitled” to describe United fans who thought they ought to win every match and every trophy all the time.

Or maybe, because I’m a City fan (much more beautiful colours), I’m just being biased. But in any case, the “derogatory” usage of the term came from England and it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any relationships between companies and customers. Please spare me the “lessons” in future.
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amok: The usage of the word as 'entitled' or 'entitlement' (as described by the Oxford Dictionary) came into usage in English around the 1850s and has been in use since then. I'm sorry if I accept the use of the English language from a dictionary, you know, the way the English language is described, instead of some esoteric sports slang from Manchester. But I guess that is my fault.

I also find it funny that you got hung up on the last point (etymology), when that was more of a footnote (or aside) than the main point, which was above. I guess the post was too long for you to read, but then I could hardly expect anything more from someone who bases their understanding of the English language on how it is used in sports
I never said that the word itself (“entitlement”) has anything to do with winning - of course it doesn’t. The bit about winning belongs entirely to the context : the attitude of certain football fans and their expectations, Their sense of entitlement meant they always expected their team to win (football matches), and when they didn’t get their own way they got overly upset at having been denied what they saw as their “divine right”. And obviously you are not supposed to interpret “divine” literally here either. I fail to understand your interpretation of what I meant : you seem to take everything so literally.

That is how I first came across this specific sense of the term “entitlement” (as in “sense of entitlement”). No doubt it existed in some form already by the time it came to be used in the context of football (more than thirty years ago). However, the way eric (and others) use this word as a stick to beat disgruntled customers with is a much more recent usage of the term, and I personally hate to hear it used in this way.
Let's not keep feeding the troll as they clearly don't know when to shut the fuck up. Let's just put them on a little list instead. ;)
Post edited October 15, 2024 by P-E-S
Just came here to say the game looked neat, but it appears something else is happening here.
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Palestine: Indeed, it is downloadable content.

Also, with regard to the pricing of the main game, I share your frustrations.
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Theoclymenus: This game has been on my wishlist since it was released. It’s now on my BLACKLIST (games never to be bought). Just greed, greed and greed. No discount ever, though far superior games have been sold at a discount for decades. And then they release a DLC after 8 years to make even more money out of it. Just f*ck them, honestly. I am so sick of these companies holding sway in what is supposed to be a fun pastime - for kids as well as adults.
Yeah right, imagine a dev is releasing a DLC after years of active support and updates for the game. How outrageous of them to dare to take money for a DLC they invested years of development into which costs no money at all. All games should be free.

PS: You dropped your clown mask, take it back
Post edited October 15, 2024 by Zibbozz