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Post edited January 07, 2022 by Reaper9988
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TheGrimLord: I always play the version with the original Japanese VA and this one should be no exception.
I've played a lot of Japanese games with good English dubs (granted they weren't AO games). There is nothing that automatically makes Japanese dubs of those games be better (although they probably are in a lot of cases).

A good English VA could do just as good, or better, of a job with the material as a Japanese VA could.

So if there is bad voice acting in the English dub, then it's due to the publisher cutting corners somewhere; it's not due to good English VA being impossible to implement in a Japanese-made game.

Granted, I would give JAST USA some slack on that subject, since they are a small niche publisher, so I would understand if they have to hire super cheap and therefore not-so-good English VAs, if that's what's causing the problems.

On the other hand, if the bad VAs they are hire are equally as expensive to hire as would be the good VAs who they could be hiring instead for the same amount of money, then that would be a problem worth complaining over.

But I'm not sure how that works, and I don't know if there are low rent VAs who are known to do a bad job but who work for cheaper than expensive but high quality VAs; or alternatively, do all VAs, good and bad, cost the same amount of money to hire?
Post edited January 07, 2022 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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MarkoH01: That just shows how they don't understand a certain ARTSTYLE. The characters might look underage but they aren't. Please tell me one underage girl that is already working ... like I said. There is no sense in it just stupid regulations from some prude people who think that everyone and everything will destroy the children. Poo parents - unable to protect theit offspring from ... yes, I still don't know from what kids need to be protected when it comes to anime games. Even a hentai would not crush a child's soul. I simply don't beliebe in banning and censoring and I also don't believe in those so called dangers - never did and never will. And that was my final word on the matter.
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Zimerius: still, it is a difficult subject. How can you, as a society, rule out jew cookies, F1 racing girls but allow anime to presume its course unchecked? you can't, in my opinion
I don't have the slightes clue, why the west does rule these things out. (Grid girls I assume you mean ?)
Our morals, especially in the last years have become even more prudish, superficial and hypocritical.

Still, these characters aren't real and the game is not supposed to be played by children, hence the ratings.
Long long ago Parents took responsibility for their children instead of trying to get everything banned.
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TZODnmr2k5: plus if the atrocious voice work from the preview video is any indication, damn, it's bad!
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: What's up with that narrator VA in the trailer? His performance is indeed abysmal. Was he one of the devs who is not a professional VA and who was just playing a VA for the trailer only?

Are the other VAs in the game as bad at acting as that narrator VA in the trailer is?
I won't know that first hand as I refuse to even consider getting this game as the localization company is shit as they don't include the original Japanese voice even as an option!

So we'll have to check the gameplay videos to be certain, which would really suck if true, but won't be surprising as domestic localization is at such a low bar with non-domestic titles, particularly Japanese ones!
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TheGrimLord: I always play the version with the original Japanese VA and this one should be no exception. Odd that they even have an English narrator, that's not normal. Always play with the Japanese voices when it comes to VN's.
Note the audio language options, as there isn't any Japanese voice-work, it's why I plan to bypass this asshole localization company and their entire libraries...
Post edited January 07, 2022 by TZODnmr2k5
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TheGrimLord: I always play the version with the original Japanese VA and this one should be no exception.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I've played a lot of Japanese games with good English dubs (granted they weren't AO games). There is nothing that automatically makes Japanese dubs of those games be better (although they probably are in a lot of cases).

A good English VA could do just as good, or better, of a job with the material as a Japanese VA could.

So if there is bad voice acting in the English dub, then it's due to the publisher cutting corners somewhere; it's not due to good English VA being impossible to implement in a Japanese-made game.

Granted, I would give JAST USA some slack on that subject, since they are a small niche publisher, so I would understand if they have to hire super cheap and therefore not-so-good English VAs, if that's what's causing the problems.

On the other hand, if the bad VAs they are hire are equally as expensive to hire as would be the good VAs who they could be hiring instead for the same amount of money, then that would be a problem worth complaining over.

But I'm not sure how that works, and I don't know if there are low rent VAs who are known to do a bad job but who work for cheaper than expensive but high quality VAs; or alternatively, do all VAs, good and bad, cost the same amount of money to hire?
I personally never played a game/watched a movie where the dub was as good as the original language
(Not just Japanese)
My guess would be that JAST feels they need to dub for the "mass market" and well yeah they probably cut corners there.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: What's up with that narrator VA in the trailer? His performance is indeed abysmal. Was he one of the devs who is not a professional VA and who was just playing a VA for the trailer only?

Are the other VAs in the game as bad at acting as that narrator VA in the trailer is?
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TZODnmr2k5: I won't know that first hand as I refuse to even consider getting this game as the localization company is shit as they don't include the original Japanese voice even as an option!

So we'll have to check the gameplay videos to be certain, which would really suck if true, but won't be surprising as domestic localization is at such a low bar with non-domestic titles, particularly Japanese ones!
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TheGrimLord: I always play the version with the original Japanese VA and this one should be no exception. Odd that they even have an English narrator, that's not normal. Always play with the Japanese voices when it comes to VN's.
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TZODnmr2k5: Note the audio language options, as there isn't any Japanese voice-work, it's why I plan to bypass this asshole localization company and their entire libraries...
Wait no Original language.....why ?
Post edited January 07, 2022 by Reaper9988
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Zimerius: still, it is a difficult subject. How can you, as a society, rule out jew cookies, F1 racing girls but allow anime to presume its course unchecked? you can't, in my opinion
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Reaper9988: I don't have the slightes clue, why the west does rule these things out. (Grid girls I assume you mean ?)
Our morals, especially in the last years have become even more prudish, superficial and hypocritical.

Still, these characters aren't real and the game is not supposed to be played by children, hence the ratings.
Long long ago Parents took responsibility for their children instead of trying to get everything banned.
Personally, i believe these are positive steps made towards a better tomorrow. ;-) Next we will see the clothing rules for beach volleyball change. Camera positions during sporting events that try to picture athletes without defining their bodily features will change, too. Less sexuality in music clips (though I really wonder if that will ever happen) and, of course, less sexualization in the society as a whole.

This much to protect some minority groupings that have just as much right to walk the face of the Earth as everyone else, to create a healthier environment that knows less visual triggers. And to abide by the 'woken' revolution mindset.

Most of those changes are made to products or behaviour that have their grounds in a time when the Alpha male ruled the Earth. Now you see woman struggling with their learned behaviour about that, the only way to attract males is to be seductive, and males of course as well. At least, in the countries that don't have the biggest percentage of their population living in poverty.

Some things probably will never change, especially if being on the top means that you must be able to withstand the emotional equivalent of a hurricane. And with down always looking up to the top.....
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Cool, JAST USA!!
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The voice acting is the original Japanese one, only the trailer has English narration.
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Reaper9988: I don't have the slightes clue, why the west does rule these things out. (Grid girls I assume you mean ?)
Our morals, especially in the last years have become even more prudish, superficial and hypocritical.

Still, these characters aren't real and the game is not supposed to be played by children, hence the ratings.
Long long ago Parents took responsibility for their children instead of trying to get everything banned.
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Zimerius: Personally, i believe these are positive steps made towards a better tomorrow. ;-) Next we will see the clothing rules for beach volleyball change. Camera positions during sporting events that try to picture athletes without defining their bodily features will change, too. Less sexuality in music clips (though I really wonder if that will ever happen) and, of course, less sexualization in the society as a whole.

This much to protect some minority groupings that have just as much right to walk the face of the Earth as everyone else, to create a healthier environment that knows less visual triggers. And to abide by the 'woken' revolution mindset.

Most of those changes are made to products or behaviour that have their grounds in a time when the Alpha male ruled the Earth. Now you see woman struggling with their learned behaviour about that, the only way to attract males is to be seductive, and males of course as well. At least, in the countries that don't have the biggest percentage of their population living in poverty.

Some things probably will never change, especially if being on the top means that you must be able to withstand the emotional equivalent of a hurricane. And with down always looking up to the top.....
For me that is a pretty bleak future you're predicting heh, but to each his own.

Still doesn't apply to pure fictionary things, there is no minor to protect here
The ones in game aren't real,if there is any, and the ones outside should have parents that don't let them touch this.game.
The game is rated AO after all.

Of course some teen will find it, but that's just like smoking and drinking and all other forbidden things, part of growing up.

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Post edited January 08, 2022 by Reaper9988
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Zimerius: Personally, i believe these are positive steps made towards a better tomorrow. ;-) Next we will see the clothing rules for beach volleyball change. Camera positions during sporting events that try to picture athletes without defining their bodily features will change, too. Less sexuality in music clips (though I really wonder if that will ever happen) and, of course, less sexualization in the society as a whole.

This much to protect some minority groupings that have just as much right to walk the face of the Earth as everyone else, to create a healthier environment that knows less visual triggers. And to abide by the 'woken' revolution mindset.

Most of those changes are made to products or behaviour that have their grounds in a time when the Alpha male ruled the Earth. Now you see woman struggling with their learned behaviour about that, the only way to attract males is to be seductive, and males of course as well. At least, in the countries that don't have the biggest percentage of their population living in poverty.

Some things probably will never change, especially if being on the top means that you must be able to withstand the emotional equivalent of a hurricane. And with down always looking up to the top.....
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Reaper9988: For me that is a pretty bleak future you're predicting heh, but to each his own.

Still doesn't apply to pure fictionary things, there is no minor to protect here
The ones in game aren't real,if there is any, and the ones outside should have parents that don't let them touch this.game.
The game is rated AO after all.

Of course some teen will find it, but that's just like smoking and drinking and all other forbidden things, part of growing up.

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all fun aside. That is why i choose the examples such as the grid girls and jew cookies (or any other product that has a name someone could think of as insulting to groups of people or entire races). the job of a grid girl is in essence harmless right ? Not to mention the names of edibles that have had their signature mark for many years. Or national hollidays such as Sinterklaas for that matter where one white bloke travels through the Netherlands with his black helpers ;) << while in reality this saint helped slaves who were happy to etc etc etc
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TheGrimLord: I always play the version with the original Japanese VA and this one should be no exception.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I've played a lot of Japanese games with good English dubs (granted they weren't AO games). There is nothing that automatically makes Japanese dubs of those games be better (although they probably are in a lot of cases).

A good English VA could do just as good, or better, of a job with the material as a Japanese VA could.

So if there is bad voice acting in the English dub, then it's due to the publisher cutting corners somewhere; it's not due to good English VA being impossible to implement in a Japanese-made game.

Granted, I would give JAST USA some slack on that subject, since they are a small niche publisher, so I would understand if they have to hire super cheap and therefore not-so-good English VAs, if that's what's causing the problems.

On the other hand, if the bad VAs they are hire are equally as expensive to hire as would be the good VAs who they could be hiring instead for the same amount of money, then that would be a problem worth complaining over.

But I'm not sure how that works, and I don't know if there are low rent VAs who are known to do a bad job but who work for cheaper than expensive but high quality VAs; or alternatively, do all VAs, good and bad, cost the same amount of money to hire?
I'm inclined to agree that English VA' s can do a great job. I just prefer my visual novels in Japanese, though oddly enough not JRPG's. I know, it's weird.

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Reaper9988: I don't have the slightes clue, why the west does rule these things out. (Grid girls I assume you mean ?)
Our morals, especially in the last years have become even more prudish, superficial and hypocritical.

Still, these characters aren't real and the game is not supposed to be played by children, hence the ratings.
Long long ago Parents took responsibility for their children instead of trying to get everything banned.
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Zimerius: Personally, i believe these are positive steps made towards a better tomorrow. ;-) Next we will see the clothing rules for beach volleyball change. Camera positions during sporting events that try to picture athletes without defining their bodily features will change, too. Less sexuality in music clips (though I really wonder if that will ever happen) and, of course, less sexualization in the society as a whole.

This much to protect some minority groupings that have just as much right to walk the face of the Earth as everyone else, to create a healthier environment that knows less visual triggers. And to abide by the 'woken' revolution mindset.

Most of those changes are made to products or behaviour that have their grounds in a time when the Alpha male ruled the Earth. Now you see woman struggling with their learned behaviour about that, the only way to attract males is to be seductive, and males of course as well. At least, in the countries that don't have the biggest percentage of their population living in poverty.

Some things probably will never change, especially if being on the top means that you must be able to withstand the emotional equivalent of a hurricane. And with down always looking up to the top.....
No sir, you're just promoting moral authoritarianism. Look, I don't like woke shit either. At all. But you're just as bad. What people need is the freedom to be an individual. If you want to get into adult stuff, it is your choice. If not, that is also your choice. That should be a basic human right, not one side saying "you should do as I say for a better tomorrow." These are the words of an authoritarian. You are more than welcome to start your own area of the world where you can pursue these aims and allow others who agree to join you. But you do not dare make this the norm. I do not agree with social authoritarianism on the left, nor moral authoritarianism on the right. There needs to be a level of balance. This is never achieved by tipping the scale towards one side, even if you believe it is the best outcome for all. To each his own, let every man have his own choice to pursue that which aligns with his will.
Post edited January 08, 2022 by TheGrimLord
Thank you for the release! Really excited we're getting a VN release that's simultaneous with other storefronts :D
Will this version receive the same treatment as on Steam (all-ages version for free, uncut version paid)?

(And still waiting with eager anticipation for some glorious Nitroplus to grace GOG's catalogue <3)
Post edited January 08, 2022 by personthingy
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personthingy: Thank you for the release! Really excited we're getting a VN release that's simultaneous with other storefronts :D
Will this version receive the same treatment as on Steam (all-ages version for free, uncut version paid)?

(And still waiting with eager anticipation for some glorious Nitroplus to grace GOG's catalogue <3)
Yes, no worries. The uncut will be available. I have no idea why Gaiden isn't here yet though.
Post edited January 08, 2022 by TheGrimLord
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paladin181: Is this an AO game? Because I didn't get a warning when clicking on the link.
The game's store page on Jast's own store has the tag "no mosaics", so likely AO and erotic.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I've played a lot of Japanese games with good English dubs (granted they weren't AO games). There is nothing that automatically makes Japanese dubs of those games be better (although they probably are in a lot of cases).

A good English VA could do just as good, or better, of a job with the material as a Japanese VA could.

So if there is bad voice acting in the English dub, then it's due to the publisher cutting corners somewhere; it's not due to good English VA being impossible to implement in a Japanese-made game.

Granted, I would give JAST USA some slack on that subject, since they are a small niche publisher, so I would understand if they have to hire super cheap and therefore not-so-good English VAs, if that's what's causing the problems.

On the other hand, if the bad VAs they are hire are equally as expensive to hire as would be the good VAs who they could be hiring instead for the same amount of money, then that would be a problem worth complaining over.

But I'm not sure how that works, and I don't know if there are low rent VAs who are known to do a bad job but who work for cheaper than expensive but high quality VAs; or alternatively, do all VAs, good and bad, cost the same amount of money to hire?
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TheGrimLord: I'm inclined to agree that English VA' s can do a great job. I just prefer my visual novels in Japanese, though oddly enough not JRPG's. I know, it's weird.

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Zimerius: Personally, i believe these are positive steps made towards a better tomorrow. ;-) Next we will see the clothing rules for beach volleyball change. Camera positions during sporting events that try to picture athletes without defining their bodily features will change, too. Less sexuality in music clips (though I really wonder if that will ever happen) and, of course, less sexualization in the society as a whole.

This much to protect some minority groupings that have just as much right to walk the face of the Earth as everyone else, to create a healthier environment that knows less visual triggers. And to abide by the 'woken' revolution mindset.

Most of those changes are made to products or behaviour that have their grounds in a time when the Alpha male ruled the Earth. Now you see woman struggling with their learned behaviour about that, the only way to attract males is to be seductive, and males of course as well. At least, in the countries that don't have the biggest percentage of their population living in poverty.

Some things probably will never change, especially if being on the top means that you must be able to withstand the emotional equivalent of a hurricane. And with down always looking up to the top.....
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TheGrimLord: No sir, you're just promoting moral authoritarianism. Look, I don't like woke shit either. At all. But you're just as bad. What people need is the freedom to be an individual. If you want to get into adult stuff, it is your choice. If not, that is also your choice. That should be a basic human right, not one side saying "you should do as I say for a better tomorrow." These are the words of an authoritarian. You are more than welcome to start your own area of the world where you can pursue these aims and allow others who agree to join you. But you do not dare make this the norm. I do not agree with social authoritarianism on the left, nor moral authoritarianism on the right. There needs to be a level of balance. This is never achieved by tipping the scale towards one side, even if you believe it is the best outcome for all. To each his own, let every man have his own choice to pursue that which aligns with his will.
Just a simple example,

I like to have sex in public places were other people can see me interact.