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Posted September 28, 2015
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hedwards: But, still I do wonder what it is about sexual orientation that makes atempts to change it more harmful than the social isolation, alienation and abuse that's all too common for folks that aren't straight.
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dtgreene: You actually see something similar with attempts to change someone's handedness; i.e. by forcing a left handed person to write with her right hand. It's fortunately rare today, but I did recently read a news article where that happened. (Unfortunately, I don't have a link handy.)
My boss is left handed but was trained otherwise, so it did happen not too long ago since he is only in his mid 40s.

I'm all for training ambidexterity in school since it gives you a lot of advantages like in drumming and playing other instruments and it seems to have fascinating and quite beneficial effects on the brain.
Posted September 28, 2015
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dtgreene: You actually see something similar with attempts to change someone's handedness; i.e. by forcing a left handed person to write with her right hand. It's fortunately rare today, but I did recently read a news article where that happened. (Unfortunately, I don't have a link handy.)
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Klumpen0815: My boss is left handed but was trained otherwise, so it did happen not too long ago since he is only in his mid 40s.

I'm all for training ambidexterity in school since it gives you a lot of advantages like in drumming and playing other instruments and it seems to have fascinating and quite beneficial effects on the brain.
Whether or not it's forced, it's just not practical to have to constantly be trudging to the Leftorium every time you need a left handed nun-chuck or bottle opener.

I also find myself needing to operate a screw driver left handed more often than one would expect due to not being able to get in there with my right hand.
Posted September 28, 2015
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dtgreene: You actually see something similar with attempts to change someone's handedness; i.e. by forcing a left handed person to write with her right hand. It's fortunately rare today, but I did recently read a news article where that happened. (Unfortunately, I don't have a link handy.)
This is a really good example, and can be a great trojan horse for a less emotionally charged discussion. FYI, I don't think it's rare at all. Remember the developed world is still the minority of humanity. Also, consider left handed people have coped, better or worse, with being forced to learn how to use their right hand for a long long time. And that some right handed folk like to learn and be ambidextrous. The point being that these whole topics are not black and white. Biological tendencies CAN be subverted by behavioral hacks - coercive or not. - and any look at history will show that. Whether they should be subverted is a separate question, I tend to say they shouldn't but questions of how far parents or authority proxies should be able to control children are very tricky.
Posted September 29, 2015
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Gnostic: However there are gays who regretted their sexual orientation and become ex-gay. Are you ignoring this group of people?

It's not like every gay would not regret their sexual orientation. yes, there are gays who would stick to their orientation, there is also some of they who would regret it.

So if a gay regrets it...... we should punish him and say he cannot go back?

How can be be sure the kid will keep to his sexual orientation and does not regret it? If he / she is above 18 years and can take responsibility for himself, then we should respect his / her sexual orientation, as long as it does not interfere with the rights of other people.

If He / she is not a adult yet......
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dtgreene: First of all, age should not be a consideration when determining whether to respect someone's identity; this applies to both sexual orientation and gender identity (as well as other aspects like religion).

Second, ex-gay *does not work*. See
http://www.beyondexgay.com/survey/results/q1.html

Also, if you're gay, getting into a straight relationship is not going to end well. For example, consider Tchaikovsky, who separated from his wife only six months after the marriage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonina_Miliukova
Why age does not count?

If age does not count then 5 year old kids can drink alcohol, smoke, watch prom, drive, have consensual sex with a 50 year old and the police should not jail the 50 year old.

And you are saying no gay ever regret their sexual orientation and change back? All straight can only be gay and not otherwise or even hetero. No one ever got tired and want to change back?

Of course a gay may not end well with a straight relationship. But what that is going to do with gay who regretted their sexual orientation?

Do you want to dismiss the minority of LGBT who regretted their sexual orientation while campaigning that the LGBT should not be dismissed just because they are the minority? Also, we do not know the actual numbers of LGBT who regretted it is really the minority. Now sure how many people would publicly say it like Pax11.

If adults would regret it, children who have immature world view would fluctuate even more.
Of course extremist conversion efforts are silly, but there are a number of LGBT who would go back. The ideal case would be these people change back their sexual orientation naturally. Or seek help in conversion program not tied to RELIGION and have actual scientific and physiology grounds.

If you want my support to abolish extremist conversion efforts, you have it.
If you want my support to lock down every kid with the slightest fantasy they are the opposite sex to be forever the opposite sex. NO
If you want my support to abolish reasonable conversion efforts. NO
Post edited September 29, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted September 29, 2015
This community has plenty of class...it's all low, but still class nonetheless.

(drumfill)
Posted September 29, 2015
So a classy post turns out to move to speak about what people do without their underpants... mmmmmm ...
Posted September 29, 2015
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YaTEdiGo: So a classy post turns out to move to speak about what people do without their underpants... mmmmmm ...
I thought we already knew the answer was dance.
Posted September 29, 2015
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Emob78: Class is nothing more than economic stratification ... snip
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Brasas: You pinko commie :)

Still, if Marx deserves is place in history for something, that there is it. His economics were terrible, but his sociology via economics was revolutionary.

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You got the joke yes?
I have nothing good to say about Marx. Well, that's not entirely true. He had a cool beard. Most batshit crazy men do grow a fine beard or 'stache at some point in their life.

The funny thing about Marx is, if he were teleported to modern times, he'd be shouted down by the very people who his views and philosophies helped inlfuence.. for overusing his male privilege, among other things. Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Karl?

I'm sure he'd have a good response to that, but he'd probably need to check it with his pal Engels first.
Posted September 29, 2015
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Brasas: You pinko commie :)

Still, if Marx deserves is place in history for something, that there is it. His economics were terrible, but his sociology via economics was revolutionary.

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You got the joke yes?
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Emob78: I have nothing good to say about Marx. Well, that's not entirely true. He had a cool beard. Most batshit crazy men do grow a fine beard or 'stache at some point in their life.

The funny thing about Marx is, if he were teleported to modern times, he'd be shouted down by the very people who his views and philosophies helped inlfuence.. for overusing his male privilege, among other things. Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Karl?

I'm sure he'd have a good response to that, but he'd probably need to check it with his pal Engels first.
Ah huevo! Ha ganado el proletariado!
Posted September 29, 2015
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Klumpen0815: My boss is left handed but was trained otherwise, so it did happen not too long ago since he is only in his mid 40s.

I'm all for training ambidexterity in school since it gives you a lot of advantages like in drumming and playing other instruments and it seems to have fascinating and quite beneficial effects on the brain.
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hedwards: Whether or not it's forced, it's just not practical to have to constantly be trudging to the Leftorium every time you need a left handed nun-chuck or bottle opener.

I also find myself needing to operate a screw driver left handed more often than one would expect due to not being able to get in there with my right hand.
Hell, sometimes those activities don't help, I am a lefty in South America, it's not difficult by any strecth, I am just bitching really, but I am always using my right hand for those products only defined by the commodity of a right hand-dexterous, when I am in fact better using it with my left even when I look really weird trying to use an english wrench to close a tube in my bathroom that is meant to be pulled not pushed

I had my left arm already damaged through an stilette that went through the conjection in the end of my arm that goes through my shoulder, my writing looked like the scribbings of a wendigo, and I had to deal with that for 2 months, and it never got any better (the writing I mean), it's bullshit to be ambidexterous if you don't even have the capacity to accomplish it due to having my left hand as an already prioretized asset in my brain.
Post edited September 29, 2015 by GioVio123
Posted September 29, 2015
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hedwards: Whether or not it's forced, it's just not practical to have to constantly be trudging to the Leftorium every time you need a left handed nun-chuck or bottle opener.

I also find myself needing to operate a screw driver left handed more often than one would expect due to not being able to get in there with my right hand.
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GioVio123: Hell, sometimes those activities don't help, I am a lefty in South America, it's not difficult by any strecth, I am just bitching really, but I am always using my right hand for those products only defined by the commodity of a right hand-dexterous, when I am in fact better using it with my left even when I look really weird trying to use an english wrench to close a tube in my bathroom that is meant to be pulled not pushed

I had my left arm already damaged through an stilette that went through the conjection in the end of my arm that goes through my shoulder, my writing looked like the scribbings of a wendigo, and I had to deal with that for 2 months, and it never got any better (the writing I mean), it's bullshit to be ambidexterous if you don't even have the capacity to accomplish it due to having my left hand as an already prioretized asset in my brain.
It takes practice. The problem with writing is that, unlike most other activities, it's more than just learning to use the hand, you also have to learn how to write. Writing lefty versus righty isn't the same and the same hand positions aren't going to work unless you also decide to switch from right to left righting.

I can write with both hands with reasonable penmanship, but I lack the patience to work on it frequently enough to make it efficient.

Other than that, you have to start with gross movements. Things like throwing and catching, those are the ones you develop first with the dominant hand, so they should be the ones you start with on the non-dominant hand. It takes time to develop an intuitive sense that you can use the other hand for the task without having to think about it.
Posted September 29, 2015
Please guys, and girls, navigate with both hands on the computer, one in the keyboard, and one in the mouse, to maintan the forum classy.
Posted September 30, 2015
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YaTEdiGo: Please guys, and girls, navigate with both hands on the computer, one in the keyboard, and one in the mouse, to maintan the forum classy.
I have no problem with occasionally turning on snobby condescension mode, but if you do, please have spellchecker on. Makes things so much more consistent. No one likes a backseat driver who has had his license revoked.
Posted September 30, 2015
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YaTEdiGo: Please guys, and girls, navigate with both hands on the computer, one in the keyboard, and one in the mouse, to maintan the forum classy.
Nonsense. that might have worked in the bbs days. but no longer. nowadays the proper for navigating the internet is one hand on the mouse one hand on the dick.
Posted September 30, 2015
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hedwards: It takes practice. The problem with writing is that, unlike most other activities, it's more than just learning to use the hand, you also have to learn how to write. Writing lefty versus righty isn't the same and the same hand positions aren't going to work unless you also decide to switch from right to left righting.

I can write with both hands with reasonable penmanship, but I lack the patience to work on it frequently enough to make it efficient.

Other than that, you have to start with gross movements. Things like throwing and catching, those are the ones you develop first with the dominant hand, so they should be the ones you start with on the non-dominant hand. It takes time to develop an intuitive sense that you can use the other hand for the task without having to think about it.
I'm kind of a weird aberration when it comes to "handedness". I'm left-handed, but there are a lot of things I do like right-handed people. Nobody ever forced me to, that's just how it works best for me.

Things I do left-handed:
Write
Play badminton
Play softball (catch with right hand, throw with left)
Strength (my left hand/arm is stronger than my right)
Masturbate (well, why deny it)
Some tools (saws and hammers, left only. Wrenches and screwdrivers I can use with either hand)

Things I do right-handed:
Mouse+keyboard
Knife and fork
Play the guitar

I don't understand how right-handed people can play right-handed guitar. Or other left-handed people play left-handed guitar. When learning to play the guitar, by far the hardest part, and the one requiring the most strength, coordination and dexterity in the fingers, is working the fretboard. I naturally want to use the one of my hands with the most strength, coordination and dexterity for that, which is naturally the left one, since I am left-handed. Why most people do it the other way around is beyond me. I'm not alone in this either. I've met right-handed people who played the guitar left-handed for the exact same reason.
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