Simpler solution: put urinals in stalls and it won't matter whatsoever who uses which bathroom. Close your eyes and a woman peeing and man peeing are essentially the same thing.

Gender-neutral third restrooms are one of the stupidest things humanity is considering these days. We're making this big deal about the 10-minutes per day that someone spends crapping and pissing, an activity that every single whatever-gendered human on Earth must do?

So rationalizing suicide would not encourage future LGBT to rationalize that they should follow Leelah footsteps to make an impact?

The reddit is mostly good and helpful......... until someone post a whole bunch of links of suicide.

Nearly everyone encourage her to wait two years more, how to be independent, how to remove herself from her parents influence.

However, there is one very very serious thing that make make her life worst is, most people there demonize her parents thus encourage her to fight them. Nothing good will come from fighting family members other than making each other more miserable.

What they should do is to tell her that her parents love her, but her parents are only humans, limited by their knowledge, upbringing and religion and can make misguided judgment.

Tell her since she cannot do much these 2 years, she should do whatever she can to make life better until she can be independent. She can make deals with her parents, for these 2 years she can stop acting like a girl, in return her parents will not sent her to the Christian therapy allow her more freedom and whatever.

There are a lot more things she can take pleasure in life, other then her gender. In these 2 years she can distract herself with reading, games, sports and whatever she fancy. Afterwards, she can do whatever she want.

Proof that her parents love her, even though misguided.
Tell her parents that don't love will send her to orphanage instead for going through so much trouble for her.
They did what every parents think right, and they love her, despite using wrong methods.

If she would take a step back and look at the other perspective, she will see her parents did as what most other parents would. To have neutral perspective, if I think that I am a robot. My parents would say and do the same thing Leelah would.

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As soon as I found out what transgender meant, I came out to my mom. She reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn’t make mistakes, that I am wrong
"You'll never be a real girl" or "What're you going to do, fuck boys?" or "God's going to send you straight to hell"
I wanted to see a gender therapist but they wouldn't let me, they thought it would corrupt my mind.
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As soon as I find out what being a cyborg means I come out to my mom. She reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a robot, that God doesn’t make mistakes, that I am wrong
"You'll never be a real robot" or "What're you going to do, build little robots with a spanner?" or "God's going to send you straight to hell"
I wanted to see a mad scientist but they wouldn't let me, they thought it would corrupt my mind.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will my parents love me less because I think I am a robot? No
Will my parents do everything in their power to correct my thinking? Yes

So for these 2 years I will be a human before trying to contacting the All Spark.
Although I don't like being a pathetic creature of meat and bone I don't want to think that I live in a demon house and keep fighting because it will make me miserable and does not help my situation at all. In reality it is really a loving house with parents that would go through greats length for me, just that they don't know about robot-hood.
I am very much luckier than others in the orphanage or these starving children in the war-torn country. Like everyone else, I need patience and work to make my life better. Everyone has things that want and cannot achieve, like everyone else I need to work to achieve that rather then expecting the thing of my desire fall from the sky to me.

On a more serious note, if I set my mentality in hell, then I am in hell and cannot see all the flowers. Fighting with people that love me just make things worst, and I don't even need to fight them to get things I want, if I have patience and effort.

People who demonize her parents just contribute to her misery and had a hand in her suicide.
Look, this is not about right and wrong, but how to improve the situation. You do not fight the robber with a gun pointed at you.
Many people at the Reddit first reaction is advise to fight. What's wrong with them. You should not fight your parents, even if they are wrong, avoid a direct confrontation with them.

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Why are all your arguments designed to place liability on the society at large for suicides? Is it really that difficult to understand that each suicide is different and will have a mix of socio-political, economic, emotional and many other issues? I mean, last time I checked, people don't commit suicide over one thing they're unhappy with. Please try t remember that suicide however it happens is perpetrated by the individual and holding the society fully responsible is neither logical nor helpful and holding the person as some brave matyr will probably incite more people to do so. What should be done is to convince people that suicide is not an option.

There are a few problems:
1. Being told not to act like a girl when you *are* a girl can be quite damaging. It can be especially frustrating if, say, your sisters get dresses as gifts but you would be kicked out of the house if you wore one. (Leelah Alcorn mentioned this on reddit shortly before her death)
2. Family is not always good. In Leelah's cast, her family was quite abusive. They didn't let her see the type of therapist she needed to see, instead forcing her to see therapists who would essentially force her to repress her identity. Furthermore, they isolated her, which is a definite form of abuse; in fact, is is actually a common tactic used by abusers (both parents and significant others, as well as cults, "troubled teens" schools and death camps).
3. As if that weren't enough, her parents refused to respect her identity in death, deadnaming her and calling her a "son", despite how well known the case became. A loving family would not do that.

So no, waiting 2 years isn't an option here. Her parents were clearly abusive, and demonizing them is in fact justified.

Right...because you knew them personally? All the things posted must be 100% true, no exaggeration...so everything must be crystal clear in your eyes...talk to any 16-year old and their parents suck, are too restrictive, are "abusing" them by it.

You weren't there, I wasn't there, but apparently because of the Internet, you feel you have every right to declare them abusive and demonizing them...all because of the one-sided posts of their child who was distraught enough to commit suicide...

I wonder how those parents felt about the death threats that were made to them? Maybe you'll claim Gamergate is trying to frame your ilk? Because activists like you don't send death threats?

Here is an example of how her parents *should* have acted in that situation.
http://extras.denverpost.com/transgender/alison.html

Notice how the outcome is very different here?

Not quite sure how this thread devolved into a trans-gender/suicide discussion but to hedwards point, this place has gone to shit and I hardly show up here anymore. I'm maybe showing up once a week - maybe less?

The Ninja thread got closed but damned if Ninja 2.0 isn't still dropping free-range codes even after MAHAYO :-(

GOG apparently doesn't give a good god-damn about this forum and leechers/scammers/impersonators abound and are running the show.

So when did it go into the crapper? A while back... the slide has become steeper and steeper as gravity will always win out in the end without something to stop it... certainly GOG hasn't provided any handholds. And the crapton of shit is only making the slide slipperier :-p

Good luck peeps - you know how to find me if you care to :-)

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When I am small my parents parents told me they had sent me to the operation to cut my appendix. They spend good money out of malice to cut my appendix and use the excuse that doctor say appendix is no use and can prevent certain infection

They are not misguided at all as they have a crystal ball to see in the future that scientist will discover appendix have use after all. They are pure evil and demonic touched for traveling a long way to another state for the best hospital they can afford and pay a hefty sum for my operation.

My parent is very very evil, they don't leave me alone at the orphanage, feed, cloth, and school me and spend a great deal of effort on me, so they can cut my appendix.

So yeah, waiting and saving for 2 years to get my new laptop is not an option. If you don't buy me my new laptop now I will suicide and you are the demon.

I love this movie:
I'm a Cyborg, But That's OK

Go on then, sorry for the interruption.

In the case of teenagers/youths who are LGTBQ (or at the very least are beginning to grasp that their gender idenity does not fall into the traditional cis-binary), and have encountered nothing but extremely fierce opposition from their communities, friends and families, who then is to blame if they end up committing suicide? What about victims of rape or sexual abuse who have endured attacks and a refusal of support from their communities and families, from their community supporting their rapist, to "slut-shaming", to outright denials of their experiences? I don't want to put words into your mouth, so I won't assume that you're engaging in victim blaming, but if we have societies or communities that are openly and viciously hostile to LGTBQ (or rape victims, etc.), and if we have people who turn to suicide as their only way out, then there is clearly something very, very wrong with those communities. And it suggests that yes, there still is a significant problem with society at large when it comes to LGTBQ youth.

Too many small things to mention, but overall, GOG's crappy PR movement did most of the work, I'd say.