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Posted September 25, 2015
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Gonchi: I never understood the frequency.
Have you tired reversing the polarity of the neutron flow?
Posted September 25, 2015
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RWarehall: We have some people jumping into the dozens of Windows 10 threads just to tell everyone how they should think its crap and chastise anyone who disagrees "for giving bad advice".
Not crap. Just beta software ridden with privacy problems. But reading about Microsoft's backing of CISA that gets much much clearer.

Oh, nvm. Go on... *the sound of opening the popcorn bag*
Posted September 25, 2015
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skeletonbow: So I'm of the opinion that any community will eventually turn into a huge trash heap eventually as it grows in population - roughly matching the rest of the world in real life which is a big trash heap of negative energy also. :)

We're no longer on the farm here. :)
I think in absence of moderation that's completely inevitable. I've seen fora where they remained of high quality for many years, and I've only seen that in terms of places where the owners actually moderate the place.

I probably wouldn't be as bothered by this if the other sites I used to like to post on hadn't also changed drastically. Watching as Mr. Gog pissed away the community here has been rather depressing.
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Smannesman: Well.. this topic has turned strange(r).
Not really, I'd personally consider it rather heartwarming, personally.

I don't think we need this level of civility and discourse all the time, but it's nice to see that it still exists, even if it is technically OT.
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Gonchi: I never understood the frequency.
Frequency is velocity divided by wave length. Or 1 divided by the period if it's easier. :-P

EDIT: Wow, look how many rep points people took while I was gone. I don't care about rep points, but it does kind of reinforce my whole point that there's some extremely immature people on the forum.
Post edited September 25, 2015 by hedwards
Posted September 26, 2015
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dtgreene: For your first point, the way I see it, destroying someone's life without a really good reason is not a right. It is not fair to fire someone just because that person happens not to be gender conforming (for example). So yes, employment is a right; if someone is qualified to do the job and is doing the job well, the person shouldn't be fired just because she doesn't conform to gender norms.
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Gnostic: The employer can fire anyone as long as they pay the penalty, because your salary is too high, because your are a Muslim, because you are a free thinker, because your attitude is irritating. Being LGBT is just one of the many reason.

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dtgreene: Also, for bathrooms, all that is really needed is for people to be allowed to use the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity (regardless of legal status) that they are comfortable using, and for there to be gender neutral restrooms for those who aren't comfortable using either gendered restroom.
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Gnostic: What if your right's trample on other people rights?

What if the girls feel threaten that a man is going to the washroom with them, even though the man pronounce he is a she, they cannot feel comfortable?

It is to easy to dismiss that these girls are discriminating monsters, but there are many cases of men pretending to be gay to rape women so their fears have grounds.
First, religious discrimination is illegal in the US, so firing someone for being a Muslim or a free thinker is illegal.

Second, an adult person who identifies as a she is a woman, period. She is not a man.

Finally, can you identify a case (and post a link to a news article) where a woman was raped by a man who was pretending to be gay?
Posted September 26, 2015
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dtgreene: Second, an adult person who identifies as a she is a woman, period. She is not a man.
So I can out myself as a Vorlon without being locked away as a mental case now? Great!
Where can I change my papers accordingly? Some bureaucrat declared me as human and I'm deeply insulted by this.
Post edited September 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted September 26, 2015
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dtgreene: First, religious discrimination is illegal in the US, so firing someone for being a Muslim or a free thinker is illegal.
That's true, but you get people complaining about being fired for refusing to do their jobs. I'm OK with that to an extent, religiously motivated action should only be protected in so far as it doesn't harm others.

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dtgreene: Second, an adult person who identifies as a she is a woman, period. She is not a man.
We're not quite there yet. Trans-men and trans-women are in a similar position to where bisexuals were a while back. I think we'll get to the point where we go by a person's self identity, but there's still a lot of institutions and things like restrooms where it doesn't yet work.

Personally, I'd like to see more unisex restrooms anyways as it's a good compromise for folks that aren't really comfortable with people that are apparently of a different sex in their restroom. It's also a useful solution to dealing with potty parity issues.

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dtgreene: Finally, can you identify a case (and post a link to a news article) where a woman was raped by a man who was pretending to be gay?
I'm curious about that as well. I've heard of cases of gay men being raped for pretending they were straight; Or just being gay, but I've never heard of a straight man pretending to be gay in order to rape a woman.

It wouldn't surprise me if it has happened, virtually everything does happen eventually, but I've never heard of that myself.
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dtgreene: Second, an adult person who identifies as a she is a woman, period. She is not a man.
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Klumpen0815: So I can out myself as a Vorlon without being locked away as a mental case now? Great!
Where can I change my papers accordingly? Some bureaucrat declared me as human and I'm deeply insulted by this.
Considering that I have to file paperwork to change my name, I doubt that society will ever let people self-identify without having to file forms in triplicate and updating the records.

But, I do think it's inevitable that we'll let people file the papers based upon their assertion about what their gender is eventually.
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hedwards: It used to be that there were rules here. People might actually get banned if they insulted each other. or broke the rules.
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PetrusOctavianus: If you need a Net Nanny, there are planty of other forums.
It's not what I need, it's what the forum needs. Personally, I'll just go elsewhere if it keeps deteriorating. But, having dropped several other fora recently because of similar issues, I'd rather not give up on this one as well.

I see people saying that we don't need moderation, but the failure of so many people in this forum to adhere to even the extremely lax rules suggests that we do need some moderation. Once a forum gets a reputation for letting bullies roam free and for the rules to be unenforced, it's very difficult to keep people respecting each other.
Post edited September 26, 2015 by hedwards
Posted September 26, 2015
What we need is not moderation, but an Ignore function, so if you don't like what someone posts, just ignore her.
Posted September 26, 2015
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PetrusOctavianus: What we need is not moderation, but an Ignore function, so if you don't like what someone posts, just ignore her.
The problem is that this doesn't work in the case where some of the user's posts are useful and informative (and hence posts you want to read), but other posts by the same user at best don't contribute and are at worst offensive.
Posted September 26, 2015
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PetrusOctavianus: What we need is not moderation, but an Ignore function, so if you don't like what someone posts, just ignore her.
In my experience if you start with a little forum moderation, you end up with a lot of forum moderation. I know, I've been one before. That ban hammer power is a mighty thing.

While this forum is a little bit like a college dorm room occasionally, I'd still pick barely contained anarchy to fascist precision and order. I've seen a few forums that eliminated politics and religion and other controversial topics from discussion. Some of them don't exist any more from lack of participation, and I know of another that still functions, but with threadbare interest and the posters don't mingle much with each other at all - topics are very formal and humorless.

If the choice has to boil down to Bartertown chaos or machine-like control, I'll go with Bartertown every time. And who run Bartertown?
Posted September 26, 2015
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dtgreene: First, religious discrimination is illegal in the US, so firing someone for being a Muslim or a free thinker is illegal.

Second, an adult person who identifies as a she is a woman, period. She is not a man.

Finally, can you identify a case (and post a link to a news article) where a woman was raped by a man who was pretending to be gay?
It is easy to Google it, but here you go
https://www.google.com/search?q=man+pretend+gay+rape&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

It is one thing for a person to identify with whatever the person want. It is another to ask others to think like him / her.

Look I can identify as GOD. You puny humans are just my creation and should obey my every whim.
If I keep to myself and don't bother other people, others won't bother me because it is my freedom to think whatever I want.

If I keep preaching endlessly to other people and keep stalking them to worship me, they will call the police for harassment.

It is people freedom to do whatever they want, as long as their freedom does not interfere with others freedom, that is where the line is drawn.
Posted September 26, 2015
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Emob78: And who run Bartertown?
Master-Blaster.

Break a deal, face the wheel.
Posted September 26, 2015
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Emob78: And who run Bartertown?
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bad_fur_day1: Master-Blaster.

Break a deal, face the wheel.
Gulag!
Posted September 26, 2015
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hedwards: Personally, I'd like to see more unisex restrooms anyways as it's a good compromise for folks that aren't really comfortable with people that are apparently of a different sex in their restroom. It's also a useful solution to dealing with potty parity issues.
Guess what, last year India petition for separation of male and female toilet is finally heard and acted on

Really funny, I have a feeling of deja vuI, where does it comes from?

Ah yes, I think there was a time when the great grandmother fight for the right to show more skin, now her great granddaughter fight to take away the right to show more skin.

It all come full circle.

I think that has something to do with people mentality, people don't appreciate what they have and want things they don't have, Deep thought does not enter into the equation.

I am sure after gender neutral toilet is the prevalent norm, people would campaign for separate gender toilet again, like India. Maybe in our great grandchildren generation.
Posted September 26, 2015
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Gnostic: Ah yes, I think there was a time when the great grandmother fight for the right to show more skin, now her great granddaughter fight to take away the right to show more skin.

It all come full circle.
The question is: Would you be distracted from street straffic by public nudity? Pragmatic reasons come into play here too although those don't seem to matter as much as purely emotional ones and current agendas that are based on more or less religious ideologies.

Dissatisfaction with such things may be a good sign because it does mean that bigger problems have been reduced at least a bit when there's time for it, well but it's also a common way to distract from the real (often connected) problems by now.
The main problem are people trying to force their views onto others though, as has been mentioned in this thread already. It should be ok for me to see myself as a Vorlon, but I shouldn't be able to force everyone else to accept my Vorlonity as a fact by thought police and manipulated papers regarding my currently inferior and unfitting biology. I know that when it comes to the crunch, some human medic has to handle this body the correct way as it is and I probably should avoid confusion when it comes to the mating season and reproductive activities.

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hedwards: Personally, I'd like to see more unisex restrooms anyways as it's a good compromise for folks that aren't really comfortable with people that are apparently of a different sex in their restroom. It's also a useful solution to dealing with potty parity issues.
Oh yes, I'm always pissed (pun not intended) for not having as many cabins as the girls do. I really don't want to stand beside strangers exposed penises, thank you!
Post edited September 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted September 26, 2015
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dtgreene: First, religious discrimination is illegal in the US, so firing someone for being a Muslim or a free thinker is illegal.

Second, an adult person who identifies as a she is a woman, period. She is not a man.

Finally, can you identify a case (and post a link to a news article) where a woman was raped by a man who was pretending to be gay?
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Gnostic: It is easy to Google it, but here you go
https://www.google.com/search?q=man+pretend+gay+rape&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

It is one thing for a person to identify with whatever the person want. It is another to ask others to think like him / her.

Look I can identify as GOD. You puny humans are just my creation and should obey my every whim.
If I keep to myself and don't bother other people, others won't bother me because it is my freedom to think whatever I want.

If I keep preaching endlessly to other people and keep stalking them to worship me, they will call the police for harassment.

It is people freedom to do whatever they want, as long as their freedom does not interfere with others freedom, that is where the line is drawn.
Here is something of note:

There is no scientific evidence that transracial or transspecies identities have any biological basis. (This includes, for example, identifying as a deity.)

There is, however, evidence that transgender identities have a biological basis. In particular, evidence shows that the brains of transgender people resemble those of their identified gender in certain respects.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/

I should also point out that the suicide rate is really high (41% is a figure I have seen) in transgender people who don't transition. See, for example, the case of Leelah Alcorn:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Death_of_Leelah_Alcorn&oldid=682605910

Also, there is evidence of cisgender people experiencing gender dysphoria when presenting as the opposite gender for too long. Norah Vincent (a cisgender woman who presented as male for an extended period of time to get material for a book) had to stop presenting male because of such issues. David Reimer, who was forced to present female at the advice of the doctor who botched his circumcism, ended up identifying as male and ended up committing suicide.
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