Breja: Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Vainamoinen: snip

Vainamoinen: Well, bumping threads is all you ever do. Go back to your Final Solution for the Social Justice Warrior thread and bump things there. You can beat three posts in a row, today even, c'mon!

And, please, take your gamergate supporters with you, please. There is no need for them in the entirety of this forum. I happen to think that using "SJW" as a sensible word is a sorry ass rhetoric, you wouldn't believe what I think of people who use it 11 times in a single post just to oh so skillfully insult people. Respond to that? Boring.

Please, take it all back to your gamergate news thread where it belongs until it is hopefully finally closed. Do also take with you the guy with the constant verbal incontinence who has, under your approving eyes, ousted countless honest debaters from your thread. What do you ask of me? To return to this natural desaster of human interaction just to state the very same things again, which you didn't understand the first ten times? The time of repetition is over now and attempting to talk in an excrement bath eventually gives people bad breath.

There are a whole lot of very old and rather fine posts of mine in there still (and in the preceding "Zoe Quinn" thread which hosts 100% the same discussion topics). You have not made any effort to understand these posts and ask me to continue the 'discussion'? That is not sensible. On the other hand, it's much more fun watching you talk to yourself in that cranial vacuum in the pure despair the topic could die. You know, how Konami fired Kojima because Kojima was anti SJW and stuff, or how diversity isn't an ancient principle in all narrative media, whatever, yawn. Like, yawn. I fall asleep just thinking about it.

Thankfully, there are grown up communities out there, particularly in the forums of the developers that do not exist according to the people in your thread, i.e. the developers under attack from gamergate because the mob doesn't like their games or the devs dare to speak out against the mob.

I have personally learnt a whole lot this last year from some good people. Which naturally worked best when the context of the cultural suicide that is gamergate is removed entirely and video games are treated as the art form they are. Gamergate, in essence, is nothing but the desperate attempt at keeping the discussion at level 0.0 until the end of days, and I'm not playing that extremely boring game any more.

Play it with yourself, please.

227: But I love you terrible bastards and she-bastards with all my heart, and I recognize the right of early GOG forum adopters to yearn for the days of yore before the rest of us came and wrecked the place. After all, that's half the fun of being a forum old-timer.

hedwards: Does anybody know when exactly this forum turned to shit?

It's a serious question. People around here used to have class, but it seems like lately that not a single day goes by where I don't see a significant number of people engaging in some rather rude behavior.

It used to be that there were rules here. People might actually get banned if they insulted each other. or broke the rules. These days, not only is that a common occurrence.

Maybe it's the new games, maybe it's the growth or maybe it was just a matter of time, but the typical intellect around here is rapidly approaching that of the Steam forums.

It's rather depressing really,this used to be a cool place to hang out, but now we've got entire threads dedicated to trolling new users. Posts that really shouldn't be in GD, but GOG hasn't felt like providing anywhere else for them, so things like the forum games, which are reasonable to have, end up taking up valuable space on the front page when really they ought to have their own entire sub-forum where people can find them, but where they aren't in the way of discussion.

skeletonbow: snip

Shadowstalker16: Seriously, what is your problem with the term ''SJW''? Its an internet nickname used for people of a certain belief set. Like calling someone a GOGlodyte or redditor or goon or tumblrnia. What else should I call it so you can think clearly? And what about the time you used this toxic genocidal ''rhetoric'' in your forum sig a few months ago? Are you somehow less guilty of it when you addressed yourself as an ''SJW'' and people called you one?

dtgreene: Thing is, nearly every time I see the term "SJW", the person using is is hostile to social justice concerns. As a result, whenever I see that term, I can almost guarantee that the one using it is a bigot.

Shadowstalker16: But you can still be opposed to social justice concerns and not be a bigot.......................

dtgreene: How?

dtgreene: Thing is, nearly every time I see the term "SJW", the person using is is hostile to social justice concerns. As a result, whenever I see that term, I can almost guarantee that the one using it is a bigot.

Shadowstalker16: Then what exactly are social justice concerns? And what makes them exclusively social justice concerns?

Brasas: Don't fall for the argumentative trick mate :) turning the question around as you did to get clarification on definitions is still kind of lowering the challenge to the original assumption. His definitions are not the key problem, it's the causal relation itself that's missing in the assertion.

He/she made an assertion of almost universality, he is the one that should offer proof. Not that I think he /she has done it on purpose, but this reversal of the burden of proof is typical in those holding strong beliefs that they don't want or have not due to whatever reason examined logically.

Shadowstalker16: Wow you're right. A bit of a good piece of advice for debates as well. Thanks :D

Brasas: Welcome. I believe (like you I think) that Greene's definition of social justice is tautologically implicit in the bigotry judgement. But that's really something they can choose to detail or not, and we should give the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I'll point out, from other threads I saw, their tone is much much better than many others. I go out of my way to check pronoun usage in this case, which I usually don't even remember.

If you're reading and choosing not to post Greene: Respect.

dtgreene: Let me ask you a question:

Do you believe that minorities should get equal rights and protections under the law (compared to the majority)?

If your answer is Yes, then you support social justice.

If your answer is No, then you are clearly a bigot.