Courtesy is not lucrative so they don't give a shit to it, only money matters to them, fuck the rest.

And people were still able to extract them themselves anyways, making the removal pointless, even if they had to do it legally.
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Companies like to let ANY IP go as easily as a banker would want to give up a very well to do person's money once deposited in their vaults......imo all digital media(movies/games/etc) should be released into the commons(not the IP in the product, just the piece of media) after 10 years of not being sold anywhere firsthand anymore...companies keep WAY TOO MUCH for way too long, imo.
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No but Chloe from Psychonauts might.

Old thread.

Another problem to worry about in the future with such is console only titles with content updates/DLC only on said consoles.....once the console servers go down a ticking clock is added silently to anyone's local copy.....once their console breaks down they(and everyone else once all copies are gone) lose that content forever, most likely.
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I know....someone replied and I figured i'd read and reply while it's on page 1. :)

Read, fine. I can understand that. But why reply? There was no new information being presented, no fresh takes on anything.

Here are wishlist entries: https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games#search=dark%20ath

Someone already did so so I figured it wouldn't be necroing the thread...also I wanted to reply to a few posts while it was on page 1 and before it sunk back down.

Anyhow I said what I felt the desire/"need" to, so I won't be bumping this thread any more, so no worries as it'll sink back down in time. :)

Voted....also since you send such to GOG maybe ask them to merge the first 3 entries or so? They're essentially the same.

Actually, as soon as a game is no more sold anywhere, it is considered abandoned and thus become an abandonware.
This is a nice coincidence that you mentioned Psychonauts, because I'm going to quote Tim Schaffer about abandonwares:
"Is it piracy? Yeah, sure. But so what? Most of the game makers aren't living off the revenue from those old games anymore. Most of the creative teams behind all those games have long since left the companies that published them, so there's no way the people who deserve to are still making royalties off them. So go ahead—steal this game! Spread the love!"
To sum it up, most of the original creators don't get anything from their old games being sold again, it profits only to the companies who own the distribution rights, who are not the people who created these games.
I thought about what GOG does.
For a long time, I saw GOG as saviors for lost treasures.
They dig up lost games, update them to work with newer PCs, then sell them.
Thinking twice about it, they are no saviors, they are opportunists, they don't save these abandoned games, they make a profit out of free games.
These games were abandoned by their companies, they were not lost, they were supported by their fans, they were freely shared in communities and no one cared before GOG decided to make them profitable again, and these communities even worked to update the games they love themselves long before GOG came and said "This is no more free, now you have to pay for it." so GOG was never needed.
For example, who cares about GOG wrapping Doom with DOSBox to make it work with newer PCs when Doom's fans already updated Doom's engine and developed upgraded engines such as GZDoom which enhance the game experience way better than DOSBox could ever do?
And even if we needed DOSBox, well, GOG didn't create DOSBox, it was created by fans for free distribution again, so what justifies that GOG uses a tool made freely available by other people and expect to be rewarded for that?
GOG doesn't make old games available again, they make them no more freely available, this is what GOG does when you think twice about it.
I can imagine how CD Projekt had this idea: "There are many abandoned games which are freely shared online and no one cares about it. Imagine if we could convince the people who own the distribution rights to let us sell them and no more allow their free sharing, how lucrative could be the market of abandonwares! Imagine! All of these games which are freely shared online and no one cares about it, if we could put an end to the free distribution of abandonwares and make then profitable again!".
We can't even say that this lately rewards their creators since, as Tim Schaffer said, the people who created these games have long lost their rights on them so they don't get anything from them being sold again, this "abandonware market" profits only to people who don't deserve to be rewarded.
It is like Nightdive Studios, they want to be seen as saviors who dig up lost games and make them available again, but what they really do is to acquire the rights for games that no one cares about anymore and sell them at 20$, who are they kidding?!? They are no saviors, they are greedy opportunists, just like CD Projekt.
You said old games should be freely shared, they were before greedy companies decided to dig them up and make them profitable again, to people who didn't do anything to deserve to be rewarded.

Yup....even Weird Al(singer) made that one song "Don't download this song", and then linked to where people could DL that song....to show that people getting bent out of shape over ANY sort of DLing of such were dumb for doing so.

Not all pirating is morally wrong, yet some like to throw everyone in together(likely due to NPC-like stances on such due to being told to think that way all their lives).

I think they had good intentions to start with, and did help make some games run on newer PCs(and deserve/deserved to be compensated for such), but like all companies eventually money seemed to become more important over time(as evidenced by all the founding principles they dropped to appease their partners, firing staff who made bad social media blunders that hurt their PR[essentially throwing them under a bus], etc).

No the games were never LEGALLY free in most cases....the companies just stopped selling them....also GOG helped make some of them run on PCs at all(in cases where games wouldn't run at all anymore), so there's that.

While I dislike some aspects of the current copyright/etc law, and think most media over 10 years(without sale) old should go to the commons for all to enjoy, I also admit and know those games weren't legally free...the companies just stopped selling them, as I said.


Gog still brings them to the spotlight and to the attention of new fans, especially those who cannot figure out how to configure files/tweak stuff/etc to get games to run.

Also GOG still has to test said games to make sure they run and provide support as well...so it's not like they do nothing.

Abandonware was never legal in the overwhelming majority of cases....people(including me long ago) were just taking without paying without permission, no matter how nicely we would try to make it sound.

Of course(as I said) I think very old media that hasn't been sold in 10+ years or so should go to the commons, so then we wouldn't need to be in the moral/legal grey zone...but companies gotta company and make their money to seemingly infinite amounts of time. :\

I agree the creators should get more money than those who just maintain IP ownership.

Nightdive actually remade and is remaking some games, doing coding/new art/etc....they don't just grab games and sell them in most cases.

And CDP does(as I said) help get old games noticed and played by new people, and makes them work on new system in some cases when they wouldn't work(or work easily) before....to me they did do some good, at any rate.

That is sad in various ways, but it's the law.

So just pirate them again? Why do people get so upset that GOG sells them? Does that automatically mean you can't them for free anymore? :P

if I remember I will (sorry, I don't consider it a big priority), otherwise maybe you want to send Support a message about this or message a bluetext

I might do that at some point....dunno whether the last wishlist in that group(which mentions butcher bay as well) should be added to that ticket or not, though....what do you think?

I'd say leave "game + other game" wishes alone, rather than asking for them to be combined in with others, since that's a specifically different wish.

Yes, but in this case the version GOG sold was the one that includes both.....still, i'll go with your call and ask GOG to merge the first 3.

Anyways I sent it in....here's hoping they can do something. :)

5 years have passed, i'm still wating for the game more than HL2.