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Darvond: Can we...stop calling it cancel culture and just call it what we used to call it?

IE: Concenquences & the mob mentality?

I don't even know who this Chris is, but we just need to pull ourselves back and see what the actual facts are, whatever they may be.

A rape accusation is serious, and it should be considered as such. Instead of going straight to vilification or exoneration unless the character or background of someone would make it determinedly obvious; like Pogo the Clown.
no it is not serious at all , if it was serious the victim would have reported the incident to the authorities the police
they had plenty of opportunity to do so
clearly, if no report was made then how serious it could have been ?

but this lets post something on twitter after years is bs
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toxicTom: ...I think the way to overcome our differences is to focus on what we have in common...

...Unless Karma is a harsh mistress, and someone walks into their own trap maliciously set up for another.
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borisburke: Couldn't agree more. I sometimes think an alien attack is the only thing that will bring the Earth together.

Or a justice field, like on Red Dwarf:

https://youtu.be/IlaNKKHzNKQ

https://youtu.be/vO4Xw6m9lAI
isnt that whats is happening?:P
gilmen slowly taking over
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"Silencing someone just means you are scared of what they are going to say" - Word!
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borisburke: "Silencing someone just means you are scared of what they are going to say" - Word!
You just outed yourself troll, Good day.
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Ixamyakxim: I have news for all of you - "cancel culture" has ALWAYS existed.

If you call your co-worker a nig*$@er, you're going to get fucking fired. If you take a girl out, she gets drunk and passes out on your couch and you bang her, you're going to get treated like the sex perp rapist you are. If you're an elementary school teacher and you make the 6 o'clock news for a DUI arrest, you're going to lose your job before you ever make it to trial.

The only difference is now we have a generation of people so shameless, entilted and unaccountable that they want no consequences for their shitty behavior.

And if you are so rich and high profile enough that you HAVE been getting away with this type of shit, I'm fucking glad that now you have to live in the real world like the rest of us.
It really boils my urine when people make these really, really, really dumb apologist arguments defending something really shitty that's going on and then dress up the wanton idiocy in their posts in an extra thick layer of sarcasm.

Out of curiosity: Do you read reddit a lot?

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Crosmando: Honestly there needs to be a national/international inquiry into women using false rape accusations against men they dislike.
There needs to be a national/international inquiry into the rampant downvoting on gog. Where's Hans Blix when you need him?!
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Darvond: Can we...stop calling it cancel culture
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fronzelneekburm: No
I'd also like to add to this succinct reply: a more empathetic person wouldn't ask for the name to be changed, but rather for the practice itself to be changed/halted.

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fronzelneekburm: Where's Hans Blix when you need him?!
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Ixamyakxim: I have news for all of you - "cancel culture" has ALWAYS existed.
There's one big difference you seem to be missing/glossing over: before, consequences often happened naturally and as a result of people's actions.....nowadays others(usually because of petty reasons like vengeance/etc) try to cause consequences to happen to those they dislike in a practice akin to a modern day witch hunt.
Post edited June 27, 2021 by GamezRanker
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Darvond: Can we...stop calling it cancel culture and just call it what we used to call it?

IE: Concenquences & the mob mentality?
Potato, tomato.

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Darvond: A rape accusation is serious, and it should be considered as such.
Yes. And that's exactly why such accusations shouldn't be thrown willy-nilly without serious evidence. If I were to accuse you of raping me, people should demand evidence. And if I were to fail to provide those, you would've right to sue me for defamation.
This is a weird one to me because he sounds like a guy who gets drunk and turns into a lecherous asshole, but soooo many guys fall into that group and I never heard anything that even approaches thinking the guy should have his life destroyed. Granted I don't pay as much attention as culture warriors do.

Anyway, hope he can get back to doing what he does well.
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borisburke: Dude. You broke my mouse.

Upon reading your post, I went so fast to click your link that I hit my mouse, and it flew. The only reason I'm capable of posting now is that I found my mouse and scattered around the room, my mouse battery and my mouse battery cover.

Zappa rocks!

Edit: Link to lyric video. Credit to OP.
He he he. I hope the rodent has recovered. Zappa is awesome. I've been on a Zappa binge lately and it doesn't look like it is going to end soon.
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Ixamyakxim: I have news for all of you - "cancel culture" has ALWAYS existed.

If you call your co-worker a nig*$@er, you're going to get fucking fired. If you take a girl out, she gets drunk and passes out on your couch and you bang her, you're going to get treated like the sex perp rapist you are. If you're an elementary school teacher and you make the 6 o'clock news for a DUI arrest, you're going to lose your job before you ever make it to trial.

The only difference is now we have a generation of people so shameless, entilted and unaccountable that they want no consequences for their shitty behavior.

And if you are so rich and high profile enough that you HAVE been getting away with this type of shit, I'm fucking glad that now you have to live in the real world like the rest of us.
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BanditKeith2: I have news for you cancel Culture is different then what you are discribing.. what you are discribing are actually justifiable to be against someone.. Cancel culture though has went so far as to be against people for such a small thing from decades ago or even just edgy jokes from even 10 years ago from getting into collages or even get them keep from getting jobs anywhere ... the problem is far too many use it in a witch hunt fashion .. rather then actually on those who need it used on them .. ruining peoples lives for no reason. . Sure afew cases are justifiable but most are not
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-Mithridates-: Frank Zappa has a great song about human stupidity I've been listening to a lot lately. The song mostly deals with with warfare and religion but I think it applies as well to the destructive stupidity that drives party politics. Even though I'm a humanist at heart it is sometimes very satisfying with a misanthropic song that calls out how stupid we really are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8TKiRo-W4U
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BanditKeith2: This one I feel fits better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6D2Mn41uYM
Nice lyrics and definitely on topic. I found the vocals unpleasant because of the autotune, but otherwise a good song. I approve of mixing lyrics about love with more disturbing imagery. It makes the love lyrics feel stronger and more believable. Contrast is a useful tool in many situations.

Another song that uses a similar technique is "Moths" by Jethro Tull.
Post edited June 27, 2021 by -Mithridates-
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Crosmando: Honestly there needs to be a national/international inquiry into women using false rape accusations against men they dislike.
This is an issue that needs to be taken more seriously by many people. Being falsely accused of rape publicly is as bad as being raped, or worse. Thankfully neither of those things have ever happened to me, but if I had to chose I would have chosen being raped.

Some people seem to believe that false accusations against men very rarely happens but I seriously doubt that.

And in addition to stories that were made up intentionally for revenge, div psychological issues, getting attention etc, there is also surely a lot of grey area rapes and "rapes". And whenever there is a dispute between two people, there are usually two different stories that differ on some key issues. As research have proven in the last decades the memory of both women and men is not very good at storing information without tampering with it. Some people also believe that our subconscious is "wired" to deliberately deceit both ourselves and the people around us and make up reasons and stories out of the blue.
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borisburke: I sometimes think an alien attack is the only thing that will bring the Earth together.
That's what SF movies would have you believe. In reality, looking back at history, it would be just like when colonists arrived in subdeveloped continents: Tribes allied with them to wipe out their rivals and curry favor with the dominant newcomers.

Also, some sort of woke faction would emerge, accusing any and all who fought back against the aliens of speciecism and intolerance, and that we should ease them into our countries instead of resisting.
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borisburke: I sometimes think an alien attack is the only thing that will bring the Earth together.
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pearnon: That's what SF movies would have you believe. In reality, looking back at history, it would be just like when colonists arrived in subdeveloped continents: Tribes allied with them to wipe out their rivals and curry favor with the dominant newcomers.

Also, some sort of woke faction would emerge, accusing any and all who fought back against the aliens of speciecism and intolerance, and that we should ease them into our countries instead of resisting.
I guess we shouldn't expect too much from a bunch of semi-evolved simians.
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pearnon: That's what SF movies would have you believe. In reality, looking back at history, it would be just like when colonists arrived in subdeveloped continents: Tribes allied with them to wipe out their rivals and curry favor with the dominant newcomers.

Also, some sort of woke faction would emerge, accusing any and all who fought back against the aliens of speciecism and intolerance, and that we should ease them into our countries instead of resisting.
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borisburke: I guess we shouldn't expect too much from a bunch of semi-evolved simians.
Destroy All humans is a perfect game for how I can see invaders from space seeing us as
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pearnon: That's what SF movies would have you believe. In reality, looking back at history, it would be just like when colonists arrived in subdeveloped continents: Tribes allied with them to wipe out their rivals and curry favor with the dominant newcomers.

Also, some sort of woke faction would emerge, accusing any and all who fought back against the aliens of speciecism and intolerance, and that we should ease them into our countries instead of resisting.
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borisburke: I guess we shouldn't expect too much from a bunch of semi-evolved simians.
Care to elaborate on parts are semi evolved? I am just looking at those who need smart meters as they can’t use switches, or smart fridges to tell them when to get new food. Simians would have to devolve several times to get to our level.
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-Mithridates-: Some people seem to believe that false accusations against men very rarely happens but I seriously doubt that.
I can see both sides of this and have a short story that terrifies me. I've actually probably known more women who have been raped (sometimes violently or underage) as I ended up in one of those child boot camp type places when I was a teen. So I know it is a real and terrible thing, but on to my story which is also terrible.

One of my best friends had sex with a girl our circle of friends knew. There was no romantic relationship AT ALL but they would hook-up on occasion when they were in town during our college years. Not here to shame women but the girl was extremely open with the fact that she was DTF with whoever and never tried to hide who she slept with. Anyways it was a Saturday night or whatever and like 6 or 7 people were crashing at an apartment. We all went to bed and they did it on the couch in the living room. My other friend actually walked in on them with her riding as he went to the kitchen. Obviously he sort of looked the other way and went back to his bedroom. I was asleep 2 rooms away and heard nothing.

So the next morning I'm driving my friend home and he mentions he hooked up with the girl. This was not news and I was sort of annoyed thinking he was being immature and bragging. Then he says "it was really weird. After it was over she got up, hit the restroom, got dressed, walked right past me, and left without even saying goodbye or anything". I agreed it was weird but given her attitude towards sex it would have been much stranger from anyone else. He went back to his college a few hours away. Three days later the police show up to search the apartment this all happened at and check the bathroom. I called him and did the whole "I don't know what happened but you might want to know or make some lawyer calls". He was stunned but said thanks.
Two weeks later the police pull him out of his college lecture and stick him in the back of a car in cuffs for a 4 hour ride to the city I live in. He was stuck in county another two weeks before he made bail and has terrifying stories. He got a brand new orange jumpsuit just before his court hearing because he had blood on him from being next to a fight that broke out in holding over snacks. Myself and the other friend had to go give statements to the Sex Crimes Unit Detectives.
Our circle of friends evaporated and turned on us claiming we were defending a rapist. We tried to explain that as we were at the scene they said we had to answer questions and weren't giving any form of character testimony. For instance , "I went to sleep around 2:45am in the last bedroom on the right".
I know this long but here comes the twist. The girls from our larger group of friends were having like dinner dates trying to think up any possible off-hand comment or "creep" behavior they could use against him. They invited his ex-gf to these as they had not split amicably. She was a good person (just not a good match) and when they started trying to ask her for dirt and coach her on how to embellish anything bad she might have to say, she noped out. She came to me and our other friend and was like I wasn't there so I have no idea what happened but they're trying to ruin his life (minimum 25 year sentence there) and no matter how much I dislike him it's wrong. Apparently the girl accusing him was angry with him over something minor from the last time they saw each other and hooked up. He made an asshole comment or something verbal like that.

I went from having a group of like 15 or 20 friends that would all get together to 2 and I didn't even do or see anything. The charges got dropped over lack of any evidence, but his life was changed of course. Switched colleges. Legal fees. His parents obviously seeing a very private side of his life nobody wants to share. Started drinking, like a lot.
I wasn't in the room so I'll never know for certain but I'm leaning towards it wasn't rape. She didn't have any legal repercussions and seems to have continued on as before. Rape is a terrible thing and I'm never even in the "she was asking for it" camp. It's wrong. It's horrible. I do think we need to talk about fake rape claims though because they can ruin a life too. There isn't always good evidence for rape and I understand why but if there is evidence that lies are being told shouldn't we have some accountability for that?
Lying to police. Bringing false charges. Perverting the course of justice. Perjury. All criminal offences. I'm not saying they apply here, but there already are mechanisms in place. And like a rape charge, they have to be proved in court.