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toxicTom: I ask myself where this comes from. This need and joy of destroying somebody, conclusive evidence or not. This is simply scapegoating - people needing somebody to be "it", to be held responsible for all the shit in their lives, and of course it resolves nothing - creating a need for more scapegoats. And prominent figures are more satisfying when their heads roll...
Didn't your people term it? Schadenfreude? People love to see people they hate fail. Well, now it can happen with social media where everyone is given a voice regardless of their education or credentials.
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nightcraw1er.488: The “inclusion” culture which excludes those that don’t agree, the equal rights movement wishing merely shifts the weight of power.
The first part pretty much nails it. Although the problem is that "the equal rights movement wishing" is an over-simplification. Many, most even of those people think they're fighting "the good fight". And they're unaware how "the call for equality" shifted into a new kind of segregation that, instead of promoting that we're all simply people - no matter if we are straight or trans or gay (or something even more else), white or coloured, female or male or little furry thing from Alpha Centauri - again focuses on differences and distinctions.

I think the way to overcome our differences is to focus on what we have in common, and not on what sets us apart. It's again time for soldiers on the battlefield to whip out their photos of spouses and children, and to acknowledge that we're all just humans caught in a senseless war that only serves others - and then stop shooting each other.
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Canuck_Cat: Didn't your people term it? Schadenfreude? People love to see people they hate fail. Well, now it can happen with social media where everyone is given a voice regardless of their education or credentials.
Yeah... tbh that's a feeling pretty alien to me. Unless Karma is a harsh mistress, and someone walks into their own trap maliciously set up for another.
Post edited June 27, 2021 by toxicTom
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toxicTom: ...I think the way to overcome our differences is to focus on what we have in common...

...Unless Karma is a harsh mistress, and someone walks into their own trap maliciously set up for another.
Couldn't agree more. I sometimes think an alien attack is the only thing that will bring the Earth together.

Or a justice field, like on Red Dwarf:

https://youtu.be/IlaNKKHzNKQ

https://youtu.be/vO4Xw6m9lAI
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-Mithridates-: Good. I don't know the details of the case though.

I hope a huge bipartisan movement against cancel culture appears soon. A lot of people can see that this mix of politics and technology has led us down a dark path. Obviously a lot of people still see cancel culture as a useful tool for their political ends, but my hope is that more and more people will realize that this hurts people a lot more than it helps them.

Courts should be the places where crimes are punished by professionals. Mob justice on internet forums is a major regression back to the bad old days.
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Zimerius: I'm hoping that with you but.... it seems this is going on since the 50's ( i'm basing this on that obnoxious Isaac Asimov quote about how democracy is defined as that your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge )

But if we count in China i'm sure there is indeed hope, at least they had the nerves to banish the e coin ( next to some minor races )
There is certainly a lot about todays political climate that reminds me of the McCarthyism in the US in the 50s. Only with the political sides reversed.
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borisburke: Couldn't agree more. I sometimes think an alien attack is the only thing that will bring the Earth together.
And ain't that kind of sad? That we always need an outside "other" to be declared "enemy" to overcome our differences and actually start working together?
Post edited June 27, 2021 by toxicTom
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nightcraw1er.488: The “inclusion” culture which excludes those that don’t agree, the equal rights movement wishing merely shifts the weight of power.
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toxicTom: The first part pretty much nails it. Although the problem is that "the equal rights movement wishing" is an over-simplification. Many, most even of those people think they're fighting "the good fight". And they're unaware how "the call for equality" shifted into a new kind of segregation that, instead of promoting that we're all simply people - no matter if we are straight or trans or gay (or something even more else), white or coloured, female or male or little furry thing from Alpha Centauri - again focuses on differences and distinctions.

I think the way to overcome our differences is to focus on what we have in common, and not on what sets us apart. It's again time for soldiers on the battlefield to whip out their photos of spouses and children, and to acknowledge that we're all just humans caught in a senseless war that only serves others - and then stop shooting each other.
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Canuck_Cat: Didn't your people term it? Schadenfreude? People love to see people they hate fail. Well, now it can happen with social media where everyone is given a voice regardless of their education or credentials.
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toxicTom: Yeah... tbh that's a feeling pretty alien to me. Unless Karma is a harsh mistress, and someone walks into their own trap maliciously set up for another.
Funny enough even MLK has been branded a racist said movements in recent years.. yes I ain't kidding thats a thing and funny enough the old psa's that said'' don't look at a person or judge them as this or that on the difference look at them as just a human. and judge the person on their specific character '' has also been tossed aside declared bigoted to think like that anymore as now its somehow deemed not bigoted to judge people by thier race,sex , belief and everything and see them as what they clearly are .. Rather then on the merit of the person

Edit sorry replied to the wrong or rather mostly the wrong thread post of the person my bad
Post edited June 27, 2021 by BanditKeith2
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-Mithridates-: Courts should be the places where crimes are punished by professionals. Mob justice on internet forums is a major regression back to the bad old days.
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Orkhepaj: yep , like those dvoting botters here who cant accept different opinions
I've never understood why GOG has kept the downvote button all this time. This was a cause for unnecessary hostility and bad feelings also way back when this place was a nice and cosy small forum. A downvote button seems to be interpreted quite differently by people. Some thinks it is a way to mark dissent without actually bothering to post something, while others look upon a downvote to themselves as a personal attack.

While I understand that some people have a way of expressing their opinions that often annoys people, I think the kind of constant downvoting that some people receive here is a form of bullying.
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Can we...stop calling it cancel culture and just call it what we used to call it?

IE: Concenquences & the mob mentality?

I don't even know who this Chris is, but we just need to pull ourselves back and see what the actual facts are, whatever they may be.

A rape accusation is serious, and it should be considered as such. Instead of going straight to vilification or exoneration unless the character or background of someone would make it determinedly obvious; like Pogo the Clown.
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Darvond: Can we...stop calling it cancel culture and just call it what we used to call it?

IE: Concenquences & the mob mentality?

I don't even know who this Chris is, but we just need to pull ourselves back and see what the actual facts are, whatever they may be.

A rape accusation is serious, and it should be considered as such. Instead of going straight to vilification or exoneration unless the character or background of someone would make it determinedly obvious; like Pogo the Clown.
It's an accusation with no evidence.
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borisburke: Couldn't agree more. I sometimes think an alien attack is the only thing that will bring the Earth together.
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toxicTom: And ain't that kind of sad? That we always need an outside "other" to be declared "enemy" to overcome our differences and actually start working together?
Yes it is. But that's the standard method that 'those with the power' use to control us. I'm british, and my friends in india and russia and china and 'murca think the same thing. Unfortunately, my friends and I have no power and have no influence over the media, so we fight each other.

Tribalism. It's an ancient control mechanism that had its place at one time, but should be left in the past. It no longer fits with our new world, our new technology. Our AI attack drones and our Nukes and our AK47's.

The NRA is fond of saying, "Gun's don't kill people, people do.". Obviously that's nonsense. But they are right in one sense. We are our worst enemy.
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Darvond: Can we...stop calling it cancel culture and just call it what we used to call it?

IE: Concenquences & the mob mentality?

I don't even know who this Chris is, but we just need to pull ourselves back and see what the actual facts are, whatever they may be.

A rape accusation is serious, and it should be considered as such. Instead of going straight to vilification or exoneration unless the character or background of someone would make it determinedly obvious; like Pogo the Clown.
Its unavoidable to go strait to assuming its a attempt to to vilification or exoneration on claiming rape and not think its a lie after far too many during the ''MeToo'' movement was found to be lying woman who just wanted something by lying ... So anymore ... Its hard to take any rape allegations or claims as anything but lies from people lying so much during that movement and many that was at the forefront even was found to have raped people themselves yet started the movement anyway and was figure heads of it
Post edited June 27, 2021 by BanditKeith2
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-Mithridates-: Good. I don't know the details of the case though.

I hope a huge bipartisan movement against cancel culture appears soon. A lot of people can see that this mix of politics and technology has led us down a dark path. Obviously a lot of people still see cancel culture as a useful tool for their political ends, but my hope is that more and more people will realize that this hurts people a lot more than it helps them.

Courts should be the places where crimes are punished by professionals. Mob justice on internet forums is a major regression back to the bad old days.
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nightcraw1er.488: Mob justice isn’t something technological any more than the gun is the killer. Technology has just “empowered” this. The underlying human traits have not changed. The “inclusion” culture which excludes those that don’t agree, the equal rights movement wishing merely shifts the weight of power. Facism is not confined to one rule set, it works equally well for the far left etc. The groups, names, allegiances vary slightly, human nature doesn’t.
That's one way of looking at it. I definitely agree that the underlying human traits haven't changed and that the mechanics of totalitarianism are similar on the left and right.

Humans are definitely defined to a large degree by their biology, but they are also very adaptable and their behavior can be changed a lot by habitat, culture and technology. Just not as much as ideological dogma assume, since ideology often ignores biology and often assumes perfect scenarios while man is imperfect.

Party politics is a relative new invention, but it is easy to see that the reason it has worked so well/worked so badly, is because it has co-opted old forager instincts about internal norm enforcement and hostility to those not in the tribe into a new cultural invention. Modern information technology and the way we use it seems to enhance some of the destructive effects of politics.
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toxicTom: This is simply scapegoating - people needing somebody to be "it", to be held responsible for all the shit in their lives,
It's how masses tend to get spurred into action. Usually requires three ingredients:
1. A general dissatisfaction with how things are going.
2. A trigger event to ignite that dissatisfaction.
3. A target to channel it towards and unite against.
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toxicTom: I think the way to overcome our differences is to focus on what we have in common, and not on what sets us apart.
*nods* But...
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toxicTom: And ain't that kind of sad? That we always need an outside "other" to be declared "enemy" to overcome our differences and actually start working together?
It's easy to unite against. If it's a threat, real or perceived, particularly easy, everyone wants to be safe from it. But also if it's a target, someone seen as guilty of something people can agree is bad or at least against their interests or the way they want the world to work.
When it comes to fighting for something, it's much harder, because if one's to put their time, effort and resources into building something, they'll want to do so for what they see as good and right, the future they want, and here you tend to have everyone going in a different direction.
Much easier to agree that something's bad than to agree that something's good, and even harder to agree that something's good enough to be worth really fighting for over all other things that your time, energy and resources may be used for.
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toxicTom: And ain't that kind of sad? That we always need an outside "other" to be declared "enemy" to overcome our differences and actually start working together?
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borisburke: Yes it is. But that's the standard method that 'those with the power' use to control us. I'm british, and my friends in india and russia and china and 'murca think the same thing. Unfortunately, my friends and I have no power and have no influence over the media, so we fight each other.

Tribalism. It's an ancient control mechanism that had its place at one time, but should be left in the past. It no longer fits with our new world, our new technology. Our AI attack drones and our Nukes and our AK47's.

The NRA is fond of saying, "Gun's don't kill people, people do.". Obviously that's nonsense. But they are right in one sense. We are our worst enemy.
Tribalism is probably going to stay with us as long as our biology remains the same way it is. But I think things like soccer matches is a much healthier way of using those instincts than party politics or warfare. Just like those who partake in S&M have found a healthy outlet for the human need to dominate and submit to other people.

But whether such "healthy outlets" actually does anything to alleviate the less healthy ones I do not know.
Post edited June 27, 2021 by -Mithridates-
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Darvond: I don't even know who this Chris is....
Are you serious? Many gamers know who he is, or at least have a basic idea.....and for those that don't: there's info in the OP post and/or one could use their search engine of choice

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Darvond: A rape accusation is serious, and it should be considered as such. Instead of going straight to vilification or exoneration....
*GR looks to the rest of the thread*

Hey y'all....care to say it with me?

Innocent until proven guilty