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dgnfly: Seeing as GOG itself was already woke I wasn't the least surprised when CD project RED went the same way. For anybody who doesn't have a mental illness or doesn't want to promote the delusions of more than 2 gender just don't buy the game and invest into something else, I do the same. In general, I wasn't hyped for the game cause it's just the same old shooter game that has been done to death.

Just remember while you support trans delusions and this pandering you are also supporting the sexualization of today's children and the mutilation of them.
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falloutttt: What make you think you're so wise, friend ? Lived many lives ?

You're no different than anyone else. Don't think you know what's best for everyone.

The problem is in your insecurity, therefor you have the need to chose a side. So if you look for a problem, look in yourself, not in others.

cheers! :)
You're no different than anyone else. Don't think you know what's best for everyone.


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Linko64: I'm honestly stunned that in the age of communication people just like to shout at each other, then go after people.
Why? People do exactly what environment allowes them to do. Especially considering that mainstream media practically encourages that type of beharior.
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falloutttt: What make you think you're so wise, friend ? Lived many lives ?

You're no different than anyone else. Don't think you know what's best for everyone.

The problem is in your insecurity, therefor you have the need to chose a side. So if you look for a problem, look in yourself, not in others.

cheers! :)
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LootHunter: You're no different than anyone else. Don't think you know what's best for everyone.
Wise words, friend! hahaha
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kai2: Second, drag shows s*xualizing children? P**ophilia rings? I question whether you have ever been to drag shows. Between Los Angeles and San Francisco I've been to a few... and what you're claiming is not what was happening.

Third, taking away parents right to choose was not because of "trans people." It was because of children born inters*x / DSD (disorder of s*x development). I suggest you read up on that. Many DSD children assigned at birth has ended up committing s**cide later in life because nature (or God) isn't always perfect.
I think they were talking about the few dr*g shows where they let young kids basically strip and get dollar bills thrown at them, and similar. Obviously not all dr*g shows do this or encourage this sort of thing.

Also there have been some cases where a kid played with dolls or used the wrong bathroom and one parent said they were trans and one said they weren't and the one that said they weren't usually got called names and in various trouble over it.

I agree dgnfly sees a bit too much conspiracy where there might not be any going on, though.

(Also this is my last bit on that reply/user as it is offtopic, but if you ever want to discuss such my PM is open)

(Also also post 77 has a good reply i'd like a reply to if you have time and want to make one)
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dgnfly: Seeing as GOG itself was already woke I wasn't the least surprised when CD project RED went the same way. For anybody who doesn't have a mental illness or doesn't want to promote the delusions of more than 2 gender just don't buy the game and invest into something else, I do the same. In general, I wasn't hyped for the game cause it's just the same old shooter game that has been done to death.

Just remember while you support trans delusions and this pandering you are also supporting the sexualization of today's children and the mutilation of them.
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falloutttt: What make you think you're so wise, friend ? Lived many lives ?

You're no different than anyone else. Don't think you know what's best for everyone.

The problem is in your insecurity, therefor you have the need to chose a side. So if you look for a problem, look in yourself, not in others.

cheers! :)
I like how your comment is pointless and seems more like you're offended by the facts I have provided. Your delusions must be very grand to try and act as you know better without providing any logical feedback or any useful feedback at all. or you gonna bore me with the delusional idea of Gender is a social construct while Gender itself is a word to define sex which means gender is nothing but a word to define sex and you'll need a new sex to even define a gender which Trans people don't provide they just provide delusional idea that has no factual or scientific fact but that's the reason why Trans community likes to rant and rave against anybody that tries to define that fact or any professor that tries to question their delusions.

Your delusions to chose sides is a joke since there are no sides when facts are involved there is only the truth for both sides and not delusions that people like you use to bend the truth to suit your needs with and try to decide fictional realities or facts cause you can't cope that you're not special and everybody is the same and there are factual 2 genders.

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kai2: As a few know, I have a personal relationship to the topic and would love to go deep into this, but from past experience GOG is not a place where you can seriously discuss these issues without them descending in anger, name-calling, and chaos.

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At the same time...

... is it so hard to accept that there are others -- sometimes (often) extremely different than ourselves -- who deserve the same freedom, rights, and compassion that we all hope from society for ourselves?

I grew up on a farm and my mother and father always set a place at the table for guests. They didn't always agree with them. They didn't have the exact same belief systems or religions. Heck, once we invited Mormons (who had come to our door) to dinner! It wasn't about agreeing. (Also, we weren't afraid of becoming Mormon!) It was about compassion, respect, and hoping for the same should we one day find ourselves on someone else's doorstep.
stand the core of the cyberpunk genre and don't want to seriously look at the issue of transhumanism within dystopia.

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The fact that a simple slider in a video game could create such vitriol is truly disgusting and discouraging.
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GameRager: Nicely written post. That said:

1st bit above- Tbh this site is a ton better on civility with such than steam and other forums. Also at least staff let's us discuss such and doesn't delete or lock such unless it gets too out of hand....steam forums are locking and deleting ANY threads(even civil praise) on the matter to blank it from people's minds or whatever reason.

2nd bit above- Adding any messaging to a game/media is fine if those doing so are doing it of their own volition and not pandering to special interests to make a buck or pressured to do so to avoid bad press.

In your example(when compared to outrage mobs and games today) it'd be like if those same mormons and they said they wanted you to accept their beliefs or they wouldn't come & if not they'd call you names and try to shame you.

3rd bit above- AGREED....but for some it's more about the obvious pandering to groups like mine(lgbt+) just to make a buck, and also caving to social media outrage in general, than being truly hateful of anyone or any group.

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dgnfly: Don't you think it's funny that the Trans community loves targeting kids while ignoring the fact that a child shouldn't be involved with them?
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GameRager: Time...and ...place.

If a group/company tries to push a message to brainwash it's ok to call such out, but to see EVERY inclusion of such groups in media as some sort of conspiracy is just as bad as the ones you seem to dislike thinking every right leaning person is a x-ist of some sort.

Don't fall for their methods and don't be an NPC for the other side.

(Also as with loothunter bringing up desmond in the Ion Fury thread.....please try to keep the thread focused on this game and the topic at hand, if possible)
There would be no uproar if it wasn't about pushing mental illness the idea that there are more than 2 genders and pandering is even against common sense. Don't you think it's funny Trans used to be a psychological disorder but during this Political correct era we redefine it for the sake of a few people and they suddenly are pushing it on children? there are even cases where parents are using their children as pawns to get revenge on their Ex-husbands by forcing their child trans? or Trans people themselves forcing their children to be Trans?

The people that claim to want the freedom of expression sure love suppressing everybody that questions their idea of common sense even when don't a factual study. just watch the BBC doc banned in Canada. In my opinion people are free to do what they want but don't enforce your own delusions on other and expect them to be ok with it.

https://vimeo.com/256415639
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dgnfly: The trans drag shows are nothing more than sexualizing children and seem more like pedophile rings that get away with it cause now they have been made a protective class. Then there is Canada delusions idea of taking away parents right to decide over their own children or even trying to seek help cause the Trans community deems it child abuse.
https://vimeo.com/256415639

Trans community are nothing more than entitled whino's that wanna bend reality so they can feel special while in actuality they just are mentally ill but you can't classify it like that cause then your not politically correct and feelings matter nowadays more than the truth.
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kai2: Wait, you're all over the place.

First, you were claiming that games make people transgender. Have evidence to back up that claim?

Second, drag shows sexualizing children? Pedophilia rings? I question whether you have ever been to drag shows. Between Los Angeles and San Francisco I've been to a few... and what you're claiming is not what was happening. Plus, it seems you might be conflating gay culture (drag) with transgender culture. They are quite different.

(aside: You may also want to look into the "transgender" movement and how many older transsexuals are not a part of that movement. Why? Because many of them believe in the binary... like... I... suspect... you do?)

Third, taking away parents right to choose was not because of "trans people." It was because of children born intersex / DSD (disorder of sex development). I suggest you read up on that. Many DSD children assigned at birth has ended up committing suicide later in life because nature (or God) isn't always perfect.

Oh, you have issue with "the trans community?" OK... fine. Where's your research to back your claims? I'm all for being critical, but just spouting off your feelings isn't empirical evidence of anything.
First I claimed no such thing, 2ndly I basically stated if you support this trans retardation you'll be nothing more than contributing to the delusion that Trans is a notion that there are more than 2 genders and seeing as that now is being made normal in school you'll contribute to the mutilation and sexualization of children.

You mean you now wanna blame Gay so you Trans can claim you're not sexualizing children while your shows on Tv in general already shows them sexualized. Also, you make it seem the 2nd thing is ok while the idea of even pushing children in those delusions at such a young age is retarded.

If you watched the Doc you'd see that most children that think they are Trans eventually showed to be nothing more than Gay/Lesbian/Bi but he wasn't allowed to continue to cause the Trans community was offended that they couldn't claim more victims for their freak show. even the other 3 groups are more common sensed cause they believe at least that there are 2 genders.

I would love facts and if you watch the Doc you'll see why there is so little science done on it cause you're group is shutting down anybody who dares question it cause you'll just scream Transphobic, that's the trigger word you people use when anybody questions anything about the Trans community.

I have yet to see any common sense from the trans community all they do is complain about wanting to be forced into media they weren't meant to be in so you'll just claim the other side is overreacting after you people use your standard trigger words to get what you want. You people are always offended when people voice a different opinion.
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dgnfly: There would be no uproar....
And again, what does this have to do with this topic? You could make a new topic just for this sort of debate.....why add it to this one?
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kai2: Second, drag shows s*xualizing children? P**ophilia rings? I question whether you have ever been to drag shows. Between Los Angeles and San Francisco I've been to a few... and what you're claiming is not what was happening.

Third, taking away parents right to choose was not because of "trans people." It was because of children born inters*x / DSD (disorder of s*x development). I suggest you read up on that. Many DSD children assigned at birth has ended up committing s**cide later in life because nature (or God) isn't always perfect.
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GameRager: I think they were talking about the few dr*g shows where they let young kids basically strip and get dollar bills thrown at them, and similar. Obviously not all dr*g shows do this or encourage this sort of thing.

Also there have been some cases where a kid played with dolls or used the wrong bathroom and one parent said they were trans and one said they weren't and the one that said they weren't usually got called names and in various trouble over it.

I agree dgnfly sees a bit too much conspiracy where there might not be any going on, though.

(Also this is my last bit on that reply/user as it is offtopic, but if you ever want to discuss such my PM is open)

(Also also post 77 has a good reply i'd like a reply to if you have time and want to make one)
You mean the same notion that people first laughed at people that said censorship was bad but people said it was something minor and now games are censored left and right because of political correctness? or the fact that games are now pushing fake historical narrative for inclusions and trying to distort reality so that minorities could delude themselves with a fake history? like Battlefield V or assassin creed games.

You can't say ever then that games have become politically correct with subliminal messages or the fact that shovel knight now has also gone into that insanity levels of pandering by adding new pronounce. so I take it you'd take bogus science over factual cause it makes people feel better then.

Conspiracy is such an easy word to use when you don't wanna see certain things and make and excuse to overlook it.
I take it you'd take in a possible murderer simply cause they couldn't proof he murdered people then? cause you can accuse him of the fact but as long as you can't prove it you might as well share a bed with him.
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I'm not trying to offend anyone here....

but reading this shit I couldn't help myself from busting out laughing out loud literally as there appears to me (if I'm reading it right) that there are many who are sick and tired of others being offended by video games.... who are now offended by this video game. lol

You can't make this stuff up.
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dgnfly: Conspiracy is such an easy word to use when you don't wanna see certain things and make and excuse to overlook it.
Conspiracy theorizing is fine as long as one doesn't see it in everything and it happening where it's not just to prop up their theory and belief.

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OldFatGuy: I'm not trying to offend anyone here....

but reading this shit I couldn't help myself from busting out laughing out loud literally as there appears to me (if I'm reading it right) that there are many who are sick and tired of others being offended by video games.... who are now offended by this video game. lol

You can't make this stuff up.
Clarification: They are likely offended not by the game but by the pandering being done to some groups to make a quick buck.
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Ashleee? ponczo? Anyone?
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dgnfly: Conspiracy is such an easy word to use when you don't wanna see certain things and make and excuse to overlook it.
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GameRager: Conspiracy theorizing is fine as long as one doesn't see it in everything and it happening where it's not just to prop up their theory and belief.

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OldFatGuy: I'm not trying to offend anyone here....

but reading this shit I couldn't help myself from busting out laughing out loud literally as there appears to me (if I'm reading it right) that there are many who are sick and tired of others being offended by video games.... who are now offended by this video game. lol

You can't make this stuff up.
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GameRager: Clarification: They are likely offended not by the game but by the pandering being done to some groups to make a quick buck.
Read this and just try and follow what went on beforehand.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/08/cyberpunk-2077-will-be-really-inclusive-says-cd-projekt-red/91740/
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GameRager: It's a meme online making fun of people making up x amount of new weird genders which make no sense....so one person jokingly said they wanted to be called an attack helicopter if everything was acceptable now or some such.
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idbeholdME: It is quite a popular meme too. There is this game for example:

Attack Helicopter Dating Simulator
OMG! We need this on GOG! :-)

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/attack_helicopter_dating_simulator
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dgnfly: Read this and just try and follow what went on beforehand.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/08/cyberpunk-2077-will-be-really-inclusive-says-cd-projekt-red/91740/
Finally something ontopic I can reply to...thanks for that. I will read it but imo if it's just a body/voice choice and the pronouns haven't been cut from the game VAs/etc then it's all good.
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dgnfly: Read this and just try and follow what went on beforehand.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/08/cyberpunk-2077-will-be-really-inclusive-says-cd-projekt-red/91740/
The only people who use words like “inclusive” and “diverse” to describe games, movies, or comic books are mentally ill people.
Gamer journalism ladies and gentlemen.

I like how all of this has gone from talking about cyberpunk leaning away from gender selection to body type selection instead, and that has brought out the loonies who spin their conspiracy theories about trans people being a blight on humanity and indoctrinating kids to get on hormones, i can't imagine the seething rage they experience when they realize just how trans the cyberpunk genre is.
I'm Muslim and what is transgerdre?