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GameRager: Not liking what trans people do/some of what they do or thinking there are a different number of made up genders is not transphobia, just like being suspicious of a minority that is doing something suspicious(or arresting them for comitting a crime) is not racism(as an example).
Not liking what trans people do is lierally transphobia. Being suspicious of a minority race is literally racism.

So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Two black guys rob you at gunpoint making you suspicious of all black people after that is still racism.
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babark: Not liking what trans people do is lierally transphobia. Being suspicious of a minority race is literally racism.

So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Two black guys rob you at gunpoint making you suspicious of all black people after that is still racism.
In order for either to be transphobia or racism they have to be doing so in the proper context: The person disliking trans has to be doing it because the other is trans for it to be transphobia, and the one suspicious of a minority has to be doing so because of the other person's race for it to be racism. Again, context matters and not everyone is x-ist or x-phobic just because theyb dislike a person who happens to be trans or a minority.

A person can dislike something anyone does(even a trans person) without being transphobic, and a person can be suspicious of anyone else for valid reason and not be racist.

In your example if someone robs you at gunpoint and they are black and you are suspicious of all people after that then it's not racism....only if you are only suspicious of only black people is it even mildly racism.
Post edited August 31, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: In order for either to be transphobia or racism they have to be doing so in the proper context: The person disliking trans has to be doing it because the other is trans for it to be transphobia, and the one suspicious of a minority has to be doing so because of the other person's race for it to be racism. Again, context matters and not everyone is x-ist or x-phobic just because theyb dislike a person who happens to be trans or a minority.

A person can dislike something anyone does(even a trans person) without being transphobic, and a person can be suspicious of anyone else for valid reason and not be racist.

In your example if someone robs you at gunpoint and they are black and you are suspicious of all people after that then it's not racism....only if you are only suspicious of only black people is it even mildly racism.
I guess the language difference is popping up again. You said originally 'not liking what trans people do' and 'being suspicious of a minority'.

For your future reference, 'a minority' is not a single person. 'A minority' is a group of people not in the majority. The example you gave was a racial minority e.g. black people in the US. So when you say 'being suspicious of a minority', there's no context involving an individual person. You're literally saying you're being suspicious of the group.

While saying 'I don't like what trans people do' is not entirely synomous with 'I don't like what all trans people do', so it may be not as problematic, it's close enough and avoidable enough, that it would be seen as transphobia.
If they handle it Cybermage-fashion, then i have no prob at all. If they have to pander to one type of gamers, then they should be smart enough to cater to all types. My problem had always been one-sided takeovers. Somehow, i feel positive about Cyberpunk; after all, it comes from those who gave us the Witcher!

*Provided that they do not alter or remove (censor), stuff which has already been perceived as "edgy" and "offensive", from our regular, typical friks*
Post edited August 31, 2019 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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Fender_178: There are 2 gender/sexes or whatever you want to call them. It is a scientific fact. It is silly for some people to argue against that.
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Pheace: So when male frogs turn into female frogs, I assume you consider them female from that point on?
That's the most reasonable point of view.

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GameRager: Not liking what trans people do/some of what they do or thinking there are a different number of made up genders is not transphobia, just like being suspicious of a minority that is doing something suspicious(or arresting them for comitting a crime) is not racism(as an example).
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babark: Not liking what trans people do is lierally transphobia.
The proof ladies and gentlemen, that straight people (who by definition don't like homosexuality) are considered homophobes by "progressives".

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babark: Two black guys rob you at gunpoint making you suspicious of all black people after that is still racism.
Well, by that logic calling white people oppressors because of white slave-owners in USA is racism too.
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babark: Not liking what trans people do is lierally transphobia.
This statement is so, so wrong! There is a huge difference between criticizing what someone DOES and what someone IS! Not liking trans people on a matter of principle is transphobia. Not liking what certain people do is just not liking what certain people do. No matter who those people are. Trans people are not beyond reproach. They aren't perfect and uncriticizable by virtue of being trans - even if many pretend to be. Especially the assholes among them. Which exist just like in any other group of people.

Your statement is as wrong as the pretense that criticizing Israel for their politics is always anti-semitism. Another example: someone who has committed murder is a murderer and calling them such isn't racism or sexism. No matter what skin color and sex (s)he has. Really big difference between what people do and what people are!
I HAVE NO STRONG OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT!!!

There, I said it! Anyone have a problem with that, huh? Huh? Yeah, thought so...

I had to google what "woke" means, though.
Post edited August 31, 2019 by timppu
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timppu: I had to google what "woke" means, though.
Woke is just one of the keywords that mean: "I want to start a flame war!" ... no matter which side uses it.
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babark: Not liking what trans people do is lierally transphobia.
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Lifthrasil: This statement is so, so wrong! There is a huge difference between criticizing what someone DOES and what someone IS! Not liking trans people on a matter of principle is transphobia. Not liking what certain people do is just not liking what certain people do. No matter who those people are. Trans people are not beyond reproach. They aren't perfect and uncriticizable by virtue of being trans - even if many pretend to be. Especially the assholes among them. Which exist just like in any other group of people.
If someone says 'I don't like what trans people do!', I can be fairly certain they're transphobic. They didn't say 'I don't like what that trans person did!' or 'I don't like what that person (who happens to be trans) does!'.
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Oh, this thread is still open.
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timppu: I HAVE NO STRONG OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT!!!

There, I said it! Anyone have a problem with that, huh? Huh? Yeah, thought so...

I had to google what "woke" means, though.
Oh a very rare neutral level headed person out in the wild! What are you even doing here online this ain't no place for such strangers (the even rarer almost-4000 rep stranger) :P!

Too be honest, having no strong opinion is probably accounts as being the best comment. Its a video game after all and they're made to be fun. Yet us gamers are often too stupid and bored so we fight over the silliest things like freaking UI settings and perpetuate drama where there isn't even any I feel like.

I'm also 100% certain that people will be able to mod Cyberpunk 2077, which means if there is demand for something people will mod it in, no matter what it is. There are freaking sex mods for Morrowind, I'm sure that there will be all kinds of mods for Cyberpunk if CDPR release some sort of modding tool for their game.
Post edited August 31, 2019 by Dray2k
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GameRager: For the arguing or the stances being stated by those here?
Mostly the arguing, but a bit with the stances. Just that people care so much what other people think or feel that they feel the need to get angry with each other. That combined combined with the spam on the forum has put me in a pretty foul mood in regards to this forum.
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GameRager: For the arguing or the stances being stated by those here?
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paladin181: Mostly the arguing, but a bit with the stances. Just that people care so much what other people think or feel that they feel the need to get angry with each other. That combined combined with the spam on the forum has put me in a pretty foul mood in regards to this forum.
This too shall pass... :o
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richlind33: This too shall pass... :o
I'm sure. You really learn a lot about who people are in these threads though.
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richlind33: This too shall pass... :o
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paladin181: I'm sure. You really learn a lot about who people are in these threads though.
Arguing is human nature, we argue about things that both do and do not matter, I try to not let people's opinions and thoughts about subjects bother me, like I can get annoyed about them but thats the best.