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Dray2k: Besides politics the science of intergender is still petty new though, but simple logic can be applied here as well. There is one big rule: The amount of people correlate to its diversity of the general population. Which means that the size of the population is directly responsible to its diversity. Or in other terms the larger the genepool the higher the chances are of the potential of a more diverse genepool and potentially more people who're LGBT. It simply means being a trans person has a higher chance to happen then it does now, but all in all it still boils down to personal choice. As with anything people can choose to simply keep living their lives without social pressure. As an example I know of two trans persons, with one simply chosen to not have gender surgery and just live their life instead without fully committing/spending (mental) resources and become stressed about it. What I mean is that one can also simply choose to not care about "(fe-)maleness" at all. You could be the sexiest woman or the hunkiest man in the world but if you don't feel like it just be something else or simply be whatever you want instead and your soul/aura will reflect that. In the end it always boils down to your own commitment in what and how you want your life to feel like.
Yeah, that's not how that works;trnas people, the real ones, don't have genes that are different from other people, nor chromosomes; trans people develop because certain hormonal triggers got triggered when they shouldn't, or didn't get trigger when they should, or the cells didn't react the way they should to a properly given trigger; other ways you get trnaspeople is simply male/female hormone levels that are off. We know from people who take hormones, that merely the presents of more hormones of one of the sexes will change the way cells behave and devide, including change the behavior of the brain, entirely regardless of the presense or lack thereof of genes, chromosomes and the like.

As such, you may be able to get a great absolute number of transpeaople, you won't be able to get a greater portion of people being trans without outside influence; like for example new levels of exposure to a substance that is enough like one of the sex hormones that the body and its cells react to it as if it is.

Although we have such in certain plastics that are very much estrogen, there is no such thing for testosteron.

The result being that altohgh could expect a greater number of transwomen; you can't expect a greater number of transmen; let alone the batshit insanity of "non-binary".

That is where the next isue comes in; 95% of the people claiming to be trans; are not trans. They are host of political motivated folks to pretent to be trans; because they have an ideology or are teh victims of an ideology, that considers men inhernet horrible monsters (especially twoard women), all whites inherent horrible monsts (especially toward) blacks, and all non-trans folks inherent horrible monsters (especially toward transfolks), etc. etc.

They subsequently give priviliges in various ways to the "victims"; as such to this victimhoood cult anyone who has more victimhood, is given more privilege, handouts, more rights to speak first, etc. etc. The greater the control this ideology gets over our schools inculding the low level ones, the more "trans peoplle" suddenly pop up, ergo, a whole host of trans folks are not trans folks; they're fakers to get precious victimhood points. Non-binary (virtually all girls) fits perfectly in this; hand men the vcitimhood of women and give them additional victimhood points, and the some women and girls who saw their position stripped from them, will get themsevles the same victimhood; but identifying as the horrible, oppressive, raping monster men are depicted as, isnn't something anyone would like to do; so they had to create a new kind of trans; non-binary.
EDIT: Having read the thread fully now I still don't get some of the criticism that people voiced. You can still play as a male/female person but its simply just not intentionally labeled as such. In fact doing it this game kinda gives you more options in the way players can choose to play the game with the character they seek out to create. Its not even very political, its kinda more about the RP element that CDPR considered than it is of a political nature. Stop circlejerking around Social Media bubbles where you're forcefed the notion that everything must be political and instead understand that the effect of your actions can simply have a trend to become political, its all cum hoc ergo propter hoc stuff that people do in order to make people believe something that is wrong if you look into it for longer than a minute or so.
Where's the word sex? Where is the concept of sex? The very concept of a man being born a man and a woman being born a woman, that these are their sexes littery being erased in front of our noses, and this stuff in Cyberpunk is helping this destructive trend along after they capitulated to the ideology, starting using their buzzwords and mod people's bosts based upon thsoe buzzwords.
You know, Wreck-it Ralph addressed this pretty well.
"Zangief saying: Labels not make you happy. Good. Bad. Rrgh. You must love you."

Why do so many care what others think of themselves, or what others think of them? Just be you. Don't worry if someone else doesn't get it. If you feel like you're one of 2 genders and that gender and sex mean the same thing, then the only way you're threatened is if you don't feel YOU fit this mold. By the same token, if you feel like you're a zebra striped leopard (not a tiger, mind you) then why do you care how they see you? It's like we're feeding this pointless conflict for nothing, both groups of people seem to be threatened over... what?

Fear. Fear of loss of identity. Both groups are fighting to preserve their social and public identity. But guess what: That cis gender straight white woman doesn't take away from the transgender Hispanic man. Just like the cross-dressing white man doesn't take anything away from the straight black woman. They can all exist in the same worl--

You know what. Fuck it.Y'all just want to fight over this don't you?
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tinyE: Is there an asshole convention in town or something?
If you're here, I guess so! ;)
Remember when this was about a video game?
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Dray2k: Besides politics the science of intergender is still petty new though, but simple logic can be applied here as well. There is one big rule: The amount of people correlate to its diversity of the general population. Which means that the size of the population is directly responsible to its diversity. Or in other terms the larger the genepool the higher the chances are of the potential of a more diverse genepool and potentially more people who're LGBT. It simply means being a trans person has a higher chance to happen then it does now, but all in all it still boils down to personal choice. As with anything people can choose to simply keep living their lives without social pressure. As an example I know of two trans persons, with one simply chosen to not have gender surgery and just live their life instead without fully committing/spending (mental) resources and become stressed about it. What I mean is that one can also simply choose to not care about "(fe-)maleness" at all. You could be the sexiest woman or the hunkiest man in the world but if you don't feel like it just be something else or simply be whatever you want instead and your soul/aura will reflect that. In the end it always boils down to your own commitment in what and how you want your life to feel like.
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3DMaster: Yeah, that's not how that works;trnas people, the real ones, don't have genes that are different from other people, nor chromosomes; trans people develop because certain hormonal triggers got triggered when they shouldn't, or didn't get trigger when they should, or the cells didn't react the way they should to a properly given trigger; other ways you get trnaspeople is simply male/female hormone levels that are off. We know from people who take hormones, that merely the presents of more hormones of one of the sexes will change the way cells behave and devide, including change the behavior of the brain, entirely regardless of the presense or lack thereof of genes, chromosomes and the like.

As such, you may be able to get a great absolute number of transpeaople, you won't be able to get a greater portion of people being trans without outside influence; like for example new levels of exposure to a substance that is enough like one of the sex hormones that the body and its cells react to it as if it is.

Although we have such in certain plastics that are very much estrogen, there is no such thing for testosteron.

The result being that altohgh could expect a greater number of transwomen; you can't expect a greater number of transmen; let alone the batshit insanity of "non-binary".

That is where the next isue comes in; 95% of the people claiming to be trans; are not trans. They are host of political motivated folks to pretent to be trans; because they have an ideology or are teh victims of an ideology, that considers men inhernet horrible monsters (especially twoard women), all whites inherent horrible monsts (especially toward) blacks, and all non-trans folks inherent horrible monsters (especially toward transfolks), etc. etc.

They subsequently give priviliges in various ways to the "victims"; as such to this victimhoood cult anyone who has more victimhood, is given more privilege, handouts, more rights to speak first, etc. etc. The greater the control this ideology gets over our schools inculding the low level ones, the more "trans peoplle" suddenly pop up, ergo, a whole host of trans folks are not trans folks; they're fakers to get precious victimhood points. Non-binary (virtually all girls) fits perfectly in this; hand men the vcitimhood of women and give them additional victimhood points, and the some women and girls who saw their position stripped from them, will get themsevles the same victimhood; but identifying as the horrible, oppressive, raping monster men are depicted as, isnn't something anyone would like to do; so they had to create a new kind of trans; non-binary.

EDIT: Having read the thread fully now I still don't get some of the criticism that people voiced. You can still play as a male/female person but its simply just not intentionally labeled as such. In fact doing it this game kinda gives you more options in the way players can choose to play the game with the character they seek out to create. Its not even very political, its kinda more about the RP element that CDPR considered than it is of a political nature. Stop circlejerking around Social Media bubbles where you're forcefed the notion that everything must be political and instead understand that the effect of your actions can simply have a trend to become political, its all cum hoc ergo propter hoc stuff that people do in order to make people believe something that is wrong if you look into it for longer than a minute or so.
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3DMaster: Where's the word sex? Where is the concept of sex? The very concept of a man being born a man and a woman being born a woman, that these are their sexes littery being erased in front of our noses, and this stuff in Cyberpunk is helping this destructive trend along after they capitulated to the ideology, starting using their buzzwords and mod people's bosts based upon thsoe buzzwords.
You can write all those facts but you should already know that by now people judge on feelings, not facts, so what you're doing right now is nothing more than talking towards people that live in an echo chamber. Any science on the subject is banned because anybody that tries to expose the facts is Transphobic kinda like so many factual statements that are Taboo simply because they might hurt somebodies feelings.
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Demitrix2k: Remember when this was about a video game?
It never was.

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paladin181: You know what. Fuck it.Y'all just want to fight over this don't you?
We have a winner! You get... tonights star prize: THE ENTIRE NORWICH CITY COUNCIL!
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Demitrix2k: Remember when this was about a video game?
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Breja: It never was.
Indeed. Putting "woke" in the title was the forum equivalent of doing this.

"Warriors! Come out to play-ay!"
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Breja: It never was.
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DadJoke007: Indeed. Putting "woke" in the title was the forum equivalent of doing this.

"Warriors! Come out to play-ay!"
OH YEAH!
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babark: For your future reference, 'a minority' is not a single person. 'A minority' is a group of people not in the majority. The example you gave was a racial minority e.g. black people in the US. So when you say 'being suspicious of a minority', there's no context involving an individual person. You're literally saying you're being suspicious of the group.

While saying 'I don't like what trans people do' is not entirely synomous with 'I don't like what all trans people do', so it may be not as problematic, it's close enough and avoidable enough, that it would be seen as transphobia.
You seem to get english so I think you are being purposefully dense to try and feign ignorance of what I meant.

I was using the word minority to allow one to insert any minority of choice in the examples I gave without having to mention one specifically.

And I don't care much if such is avoidable. I'd rather(if I had to or felt the need to say such) the other person ask for context before assuming ill intent rather than OVERLY police my language to not hurt someone's feelings.

(I do try to be as nice as is reasonable while still being able to speak my mind though)

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Lifthrasil: This statement is so, so wrong! There is a huge difference between criticizing what someone DOES and what someone IS! Not liking trans people on a matter of principle is transphobia.
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Your statement is as wrong as the pretense that criticizing Israel for their politics is always anti-semitism. Another example: someone who has committed murder is a murderer and calling them such isn't racism or sexism. No matter what skin color and sex (s)he has. Really big difference between what people do and what people are!
It's actually not TransPHOBIA but another trans term.....phobia is misleading as as others have said people are not usually afraid of trans people who dislike them.

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And also arresting a black person for a crime does not mean they are being arrested or reported because the person doing so is racist....yet tell that to some online/IRL.

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timppu: I had to google what "woke" means, though.
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Lifthrasil: Woke is just one of the keywords that mean: "I want to start a flame war!" ... no matter which side uses it.
That's a bit generalizing, imo. Some use it because they see no other way to solve things as the other side usually doesn't want to sit down and discuss the issue civilly, so they lash back with words like that sometimes just out of frustration and a feeling of helplessness.

It's not fair to use it all the time or nastily too much, but I can see why some use it. :|

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babark: If someone says 'I don't like what trans people do!', I can be fairly certain they're transphobic. They didn't say 'I don't like what that trans person did!' or 'I don't like what that person (who happens to be trans) does!'.
Didn't you allude before that even saying criticisms against people who happen to be trans or a minority member can be seen as bad or is bad?

Sad fact is, many who follow your stance or similar aren't willing to see a difference between the two...people who are actual haters and people who just don't like some individuals for some reason.
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GameRager: For the arguing or the stances being stated by those here?
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paladin181: Mostly the arguing, but a bit with the stances. Just that people care so much what other people think or feel that they feel the need to get angry with each other. That combined combined with the spam on the forum has put me in a pretty foul mood in regards to this forum.
Imo the venting is a good thing to a degree(if kept contained to a few threads). It allows those on both sides who feel slighted to vent and keep from letting that anger/sadness build up to bad levels, and it allows those who dislike such to avoid such talk if the topics are worded clearly.

Also fwiw the spam was miles worse....there were 30-40 threads of it compared to a few on such topics here normally.

(I still get where you're coming from and am not trying to make your upset seem not important by saying such, btw)
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LootHunter: People can. Just people like babark don't want to. You see it's very easy to lump ligitimate criticism with phobias, bigotry, etc. Than just call all those people "transphobes" and wish them to die.
To be fair and not use generalizations they don't all wish such....some of that vocal(yet influential) minority of the population merely wish us to shut up and/or be jailed for such.
Like to just show how much of a non-issue this is, One Angry Gamer, a semi-alt-right progamergate site, really hasnt even reported on this. and if they arent angry about it, then yeah.

why be angry?
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Lord_Kane: One Angry Gamer, a semi-alt-right
Yes, and the Pacific Ocean is semi-wet.
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3DMaster: Nope, gender is the sex of your brain, and just like the sex of your body, there's only two of them.

And they most certainly do matter to science; of course, certain individuals who chance sex to "body type", who constantly whine about gender, and imagine there are 70+ (rather 7 billiong for they are collectivists and are trying to turn their own individual identity into a collective) are busy erasing the very concept of sex from our language, and iwth it our ability to think and use the concept.
You seem to be using the two interchangeably as used by some in the same way. By gender I mean the social construct or "feelings" of what someone is that was popularized in the recent past, not the word gender which some use to also mean biological s*x.

As such in my usage any number is valid as it's a mental concept with loose and vague definitions that can be changed by anyone just as validly.

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Is there an asshole convention in town or something?
If there is you've come to the right place....you can be the leader or one of the higher ups at the very least. :p

/venting
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And for the LAST TIME,
Would someone please tell Johnny Storm there that if I want shit from him, I'll just squeeze his head.
That cock wall has his head so far up his ass he needs to open his mouth to see where he's going

I swear, the forum used to be one of the strong suits of GOG, now it's a fucking cesspool, and dickless over there refuses to admit he had anything to do with it. I for one think he knows he's responsible, because if he didn't, he'd be too fucking stupid to use a computer.

Of course, if GOG had enforced their own COC, closed this dumpster fire, and removed that bleeding rectal wart, it never would have come to this.

Tragic.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a ban to be given, and I can't tell you how happy I am to be getting it.
Post edited September 01, 2019 by tinyE