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GameRager: To me I see it as "woke" a bit due to trying to do so likely done to sell more copies to LGBT and others. To me that counts a bit.
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Lord_Kane: eh, I doubt that, if you look at the pen and paper rpg its based off of, there almost literal brains in android bodies of any gender, so its "wokeness" is doubtful.
I meant the adding the body types thing and not using male female choices(if true).

Yes, the SETTING is all about such things, but just because the setting is a good fit for such doesn't mean such weren't possibly added to pander.
Post edited August 30, 2019 by GameRager
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GameRager: 1st bit- Without proof that is just a claim and could be made to save face and hide the acrual reason just as likely as it could be the truth.

2nd bit- By pandering I meant pandering to those of us in the LGBT community and also those who support us/those who are more PC leaning, of course.

(And likely also to get good reviews from some review sites)

I also don't believe in boycotting over such small issues so i'm not one of them and won't be doing so.

3rd bit- What dinosaurs? The perpetually outraged at words or the perpetually outraged at others getting upset over words?
Proof? What on earth do you mean? The company developing a game mentioned the inclusion of an option in the game, and gave the reason why it was included. That's essentially proof. If one doesn't believe them there, why believe them about the existence of the option? Why selective acceptance of truth? Unless it is to cater to bonkers conspiracy theories.

And I don't get your second point. If the only people being offended by this are those who don't support the rights of LGBTQ people (I.e. the dinosaurs), sounds like CD Projekt Red is doing perfectly well, and I hope the dinosaurs boycott the game.
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babark: Proof? What on earth do you mean? The company developing a game mentioned the inclusion of an option in the game, and gave the reason why it was included. That's essentially proof. If one doesn't believe them there, why believe them about the existence of the option? Why selective acceptance of truth? Unless it is to cater to bonkers conspiracy theories.

And I don't get your second point. If the only people being offended by this are those who don't support the rights of LGBTQ people (I.e. the dinosaurs), sounds like CD Projekt Red is doing perfectly well, and I hope the dinosaurs boycott the game.
As Poe once said: "Believe Nothing You Hear, and Only One Half That You See"

i.e. Always be skeptical and don't take everything at face value.

This is not to say one should always be distrustful, just that one should be careful in accepting everything said at face value.

(Example: I now say I am president of the US.....do you believe me or ask for proof?)
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Also I see you possibly subscribe to the blind belief that everyone against such things is against LGBT rights. That is not true, btw. I am in said group and I dislike when companies try to pander to people such as myself to make a buck.
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GameRager: As Poe once said: "Believe Nothing You Hear, and Only One Half That You See"

i.e. Always be skeptical and don't take everything at face value.

This is not to say one should always be distrustful, just that one should be careful in accepting everything said at face value.
Absolutely. 100% disbelieve the interview. It's totally false and made up!
But why would anyone believe one part (the dev saying they are including body shape as an option in the game), but disbelieve the second (that they're doing it because that's par for the course with the cyberpunk theme)?

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GameRager: Also I see you possibly subscribe to the blind belief that everyone against such things is against LGBT rights. That is not true, btw. I am in said group and I dislike when companies try to pander to people such as myself to make a buck.
Yes, I noticed how you kept hinting that you were 'part of the group', possibly hoping someone would pick up on that (and I kept consistently ignoring that).

The original poster of this thread refused the right of transgender people to exist, and him and people like him feel that that gives them the right to call out a company for not being a dinosaur. Please don't be offended, but this has nothing to do with you feeling special that you can say you're part of the group but disagree to being pandered to.
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babark: Absolutely. 100% disbelieve the interview. It's totally false and made up!
But why would anyone believe one part (the dev saying they are including body shape as an option in the game), but disbelieve the second (that they're doing it because that's par for the course with the cyberpunk theme)?

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Yes, I noticed how you kept hinting that you were 'part of the group', possibly hoping someone would pick up on that (and I kept consistently ignoring that).

The original poster of this thread refused the right of transgender people to exist, and him and people like him feel that that gives them the right to call out a company for not being a dinosaur. Please don't be offended, but this has nothing to do with you feeling special that you can say you're part of the group but disagree to being pandered to.
1st bit: "I see the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one(you)"

I never said to not believe the whole thing, just to not take it all on faith and give scrutiny where it is due.

Also why would anyone? Because *shock* people CAN lie/etc to sell stuff or get good press?

2nd bit: I said that to show a few things: That not all LGBT approve of such tactics(when companies are proven to have done them), to nip the possible "oh I don't expect a LGBT hater/straight person to like this" or similar discussion ending comments/tactics in the bud, and the like.

Also where did the OP say he doesn't want trans people to exist? Show proof or(again) I have to show a fair dose of skepticism.

(IIRC all OP said was he dislikes such people and said some crude things about them....not that they shouldn't exist His words were crude and uncalled for to some extent, but didn't say or infer such.)

Lastly, my post and others by other LGBT online prove that LGBT don't all like such pandering(if done by companies) and also don't all see harmless jokes like in Ion Fury as the end of the world or offensive. That is the point I was trying to make.

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Addition: You know what I find offensive(to a small degree)? Others(anyone) thinking anyone in the LGBT MUST all find any jokes about us offensive or that we must be happy with ANYTHING done for us...even if it's done just to sell more copies and not to be nice and tolerant...and that any who don't follow such are "traitors" or "not true LGBT".
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Post edited August 30, 2019 by GameRager
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I didn't say the OP didn't want them to exist. He was denying their right to exist. Here is the original post, unedited by mods who made absolutely the right call, and I'm only sharing here for your benefit.
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lonewolfgk: Well thats it, bye bye CD Project Red.

Luckily i did not pre order your Cyberpunk game.

Will NOT buy your game anymore.

I cannot believe CD Project Red went WOKE as well and want to push their Political Correctness.

They also want to push this mental illness.

CD Project RED, there is ONLY 2 GENDERS.

Keep your game, you lost my support and money.

So sick of all these SJW's and companies wanting to please their mental illness.

Very sneaky CD Project Red, you build up hype and get people excited about your game and when numbers look good you put your mental illness POLITICAL CORRECTNESS in the game.
You waited until you had so many pre orders and now you PUSH YOUR AGENDA.

Well F off, will never buy anything from you again.
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babark: I didn't say the OP didn't want them to exist. He was denying their right to exist. Here is the original post, unedited by mods who made absolutely the right call, and I'm only sharing here for your benefit.
Sorry, but that is not denying them their right to exist. When such people round such others into trains and send them off to die then I can find it as such. This is just one man speaking his disturbed mind.

(I agree staff did right by editing most of that out, though, as it didn't stick to the topic and was just meant to flame)
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LootHunter: I remember one time he had Hitler as an avatar. XD
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tinyE: NO I DIDN'T!!!!
Jesus you guys are so full of shit it's unbelievable.

I had John Wayne Gacy as an avatar, and I got banned for it, and I had a pic of trump with a gun site over his face, which I was told to change or else get banned.
Are you downrepping me in this thread, tiny?
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GameRager: Sorry, but that is not denying them their right to exist. When such people round such others into trains and send them off to die then I can find it as such. This is just one man speaking his disturbed mind.

(I agree staff did right by editing most of that out, though, as it didn't stick to the topic and was just meant to flame)
I feel there is a consistent misunderstanding of my words, and pains me to think that my communication skills are not what I thought they were, but I'm not sure phrasing it another way would work.
Perhaps it would help to point out that you seem to keep conflating 'denying their right to exist' with 'wanting to stop them from existing' or 'wanting them to die', and that's not the same thing.
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tinyE: NO I DIDN'T!!!!
Jesus you guys are so full of shit it's unbelievable.

I had John Wayne Gacy as an avatar, and I got banned for it, and I had a pic of trump with a gun site over his face, which I was told to change or else get banned.
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richlind33: Are you downrepping me in this thread, tiny?
No, just Rager. Promise.

Since Kleetus left, Tauto started leaving me alone, and fr33k actually has a viable excuse, Rager is really the only one I mass derep anymore.

I can't stand a lot of what you post but I don't think you're destroying the forum and more than that, you don't contradict yourself every five minutes.
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GameRager: Sorry, but that is not denying them their right to exist. When such people round such others into trains and send them off to die then I can find it as such. This is just one man speaking his disturbed mind.

(I agree staff did right by editing most of that out, though, as it didn't stick to the topic and was just meant to flame)
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babark: I feel there is a consistent misunderstanding of my words, and pains me to think that my communication skills are not what I thought they were, but I'm not sure phrasing it another way would work.
Perhaps it would help to point out that you seem to keep conflating 'denying their right to exist' with 'wanting to stop them from existing' or 'wanting them to die'.
The survival of our species is no less tenuous, yet you expect people to share a "concern" that I think has to be considered absurd, if not insane?
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babark: I feel there is a consistent misunderstanding of my words, and pains me to think that my communication skills are not what I thought they were, but I'm not sure phrasing it another way would work.
Perhaps it would help to point out that you seem to keep conflating 'denying their right to exist' with 'wanting to stop them from existing' or 'wanting them to die', and that's not the same thing.
The language barrier is probably at play here, then(I am assuming such and not that you used the wrong words on purpose).

When you say "deny their right to exist" most will assume you mean the OP/others did something to stop such people from existing or was trying to do such or pushed for such. This is not the case. If you had simply said "Op doesn't like such people existing" that would've sufficed and been easily understood as such.
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richlind33: Are you downrepping me in this thread, tiny?
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tinyE: No, just Rager. Promise.

Since Kleetus left, Tauto started leaving me alone, and fr33k actually has a viable excuse, Rager is really the only one I mass derep anymore.

I can't stand a lot of what you post but I don't think you're destroying the forum and more than that, you don't contradict yourself every five minutes.
Fair enough, but I wish you'd stop downrepping Gamerager. It doesn't make the forum a better place, and it doesn't make you a better human being.

Thanks.

Since Kleetus left, Tauto started leaving me alone, and fr33k actually has a viable excuse, Rager is really the only one I mass derep anymore.

I can't stand a lot of what you post but I don't think you're destroying the forum and more than that, you don't contradict yourself every five minutes.
I'm destroying the forum? With a handful of threads and maybe 30-40 posts per day that try to stay ontopic and civil most times?

I'd say if anyone could be accused of such you'd be the more likely candidate with how you post offensive titles and joking pictures to derail threads and piss some people off.

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richlind33: Fair enough, but I wish you'd stop downrepping Gamerager. It doesn't make the forum a better place, and it doesn't make you a better human being.

Thanks.
The thing to remember is even though we are at odds here most times I often uprate his good posts and some of the silly pics as well....despite how many names he calls me and times he tries to derail my threads/etc.

I just wish he'd show how he wants the forum to be by setting a good example and not being such a hypocrite sometimes.

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Addition: I would post this all to Tiny's PM box(the replies to him) but he has me on PM block. After this I will try to get back ontopic...well unless OP doesn't mind me going offtopic now that he's been proven wrong, that is.
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Post edited August 30, 2019 by GameRager
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Lord_Kane: android bodies of any gender
Bodies can't have gender. At least if you mean gender as something different than biological sex.