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What is up with Gog and Doom 2?
I can´t go on the Doom 2 page, and i can´t put it in my basket when i am in my wishlist.

What is happening? =(
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UterusMaximus: What is up with Gog and Doom 2?
I can´t go on the Doom 2 page, and i can´t put it in my basket when i am in my wishlist.

What is happening? =(
You are from Germany. Doom 2 is region locked for Germany, like many other games too.
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UterusMaximus: What is up with Gog and Doom 2?
I can´t go on the Doom 2 page, and i can´t put it in my basket when i am in my wishlist.

What is happening? =(
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Maxvorstadt: You are from Germany. Doom 2 is region locked for Germany, like many other games too.
Which is kind of crazy, because the offending level requires some effort to reach. Also, I thought that prohibition of the game had been lifted. Clearly, I'm mistaken.
What?

I could swear that i was on the page of doom 2.

oh my...

EDIT:
But it was unbanned with Doom...
Post edited July 26, 2019 by UterusMaximus
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UterusMaximus: EDIT:
But it was unbanned with Doom...
The game itself, yes.
The issue here are the secret Wolfenstein levels, which are still banned under §86a of the STGB.

A version of Doom 2 is actually included in the Doom 3 - BFG Edition. Bethesda censored said version of the game globally, just so they could sell it in Germany.

And the unaltered standalone release wasn't blocked here until fairly recently.
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UterusMaximus: EDIT:
But it was unbanned with Doom...
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InfraSuperman: The game itself, yes.
The issue here are the secret Wolfenstein levels, which are still banned under §86a of the STGB.

A version of Doom 2 is actually included in the Doom 3 - BFG Edition. Bethesda censored said version of the game globally, just so they could sell it in Germany.

And the unaltered standalone release wasn't blocked here until fairly recently.
Ah... ok, thats the reason then.
Thanks!
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UterusMaximus: EDIT:
But it was unbanned with Doom...
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InfraSuperman: The game itself, yes.
The issue here are the secret Wolfenstein levels, which are still banned under §86a of the STGB.

A version of Doom 2 is actually included in the Doom 3 - BFG Edition. Bethesda censored said version of the game globally, just so they could sell it in Germany.

And the unaltered standalone release wasn't blocked here until fairly recently.
Thanks for the info, I didn't realize that those levels were still banned. TBH, it seems odd to me that a game that has a hidden level where you're gunning down Nazis would be banned.

But, then again, I don't write the laws or vote there.
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hedwards: TBH, it seems odd to me that a game that has a hidden level where you're gunning down Nazis would be banned.

But, then again, I don't write the laws or vote there.
I can't stop joking about that.. in Nazi Germany, it's not appropriate to sell games where you shoot nazis. :P
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hedwards: TBH, it seems odd to me that a game that has a hidden level where you're gunning down Nazis would be banned.

But, then again, I don't write the laws or vote there.
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clarry: I can't stop joking about that.. in Nazi Germany, it's not appropriate to sell games where you shoot nazis. :P
Well, we are no Nazis anymore. But you still got a point here, it looks indeed like the government doesn`t want us to fight against Nazis. Sounds weird? But so it is written...
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hedwards: TBH, it seems odd to me that a game that has a hidden level where you're gunning down Nazis would be banned.

But, then again, I don't write the laws or vote there.
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clarry: I can't stop joking about that.. in Nazi Germany, it's not appropriate to sell games where you shoot nazis. :P
In Nazi Germany that made sense, the Nazis were the ones in charge and governments rarely tolerate such media. 75 years later, it seems odd that you can't have a video game where there are levels with those symbols where you're shooting the individuals using the symbols.
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clarry: I can't stop joking about that.. in Nazi Germany, it's not appropriate to sell games where you shoot nazis. :P
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hedwards: In Nazi Germany [..] 75 years later...
That's the joke right there. (Whisper: they're still nazis!)
Post edited July 26, 2019 by clarry
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clarry: I can't stop joking about that.. in Nazi Germany, it's not appropriate to sell games where you shoot nazis. :P
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Maxvorstadt: Well, we are no Nazis anymore. But you still got a point here, it looks indeed like the government doesn`t want us to fight against Nazis. Sounds weird? But so it is written...
I assumed that was a typo.

I assume the prohibition is the result of German bureaucracy not wanting to have to judge the difference between the uses of the symbol outside of limited educational use to see if it's adequately anti-Nazi.
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hedwards: In Nazi Germany [..] 75 years later...
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clarry: That's the joke right there.
And yet in America where there are good people on both sides, we are free to shoot as many Nazis as we like, provided that it's in a video game.
Post edited July 26, 2019 by hedwards
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hedwards: I assume the prohibition is the result of German bureaucracy not wanting to have to judge the difference between the uses of the symbol outside of limited educational use to see if it's adequately anti-Nazi.
More or less.
Basically, it all goes back to the infamous court case that resulted in Wolfenstein 3D's banning for its usage of "anticonstitutional symbols". It set the precedent all other video games had to follow afterwards, because no one in the industry really dared to challenge the court's decision.
Thanks to this, the USK outright refused to even rate games that featured swastikas until very recently.

Movies didn't have that problem (not to this extent, anyways). Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was always rated "ages 12 and up" in its uncut form, while the point and click adventure based on the film had all the swastikas removed to get by. This is largely the result of a general moral panic regarding video games in Germany at the time (elements of which persist to this very day in politics and media). A truckload of fairly innocuous games were put on the index during the 80s, because they were "too violent" or they "glorified war". River Raid being one such game.
Governments shouldn't have that kind of power over media in the first place, then the problem is solved.
According to wiki: "Up until 2018, video games were not included in the social adequacy clause. A High District Frankfurt Court ruling in 1998 over the video game Wolfenstein 3D determined that because video games do attract young players, "this could lead to them growing up with these symbols and insignias and thereby becoming used to them, which again could make them more vulnerable for ideological manipulation by national socialist ideas""

This law is quite stupid in itself, especially when you consider other games based on real life events, few examples such as:

Civilization
Total War
Age of Empires
Command & Conquer
Call of Duty
Battlefield
Assassin's Creed