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TStael: I do not wish to be too straight on, so let me ask: had you a child, could you be confident that she or he would go to school with only ever feeling about their scholar achievement? Is it better?
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DaCostaBR: I can only speak for my personal experience. My junior high was in a small religious private school (sorry, I know you hate religion), small enough that the entire staff knew everyone personally and could have spotted any problems as they appeared and acted accordingly. So there was neither the space nor opportunity for bullying to occur.
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My high school was the complete opposite, in a very large public high school/technical school. I only studied in the high school part of it yet they treated us the same way.

Maybe other schools are different, I couldn't speak for them.
I have read that if there is an issue in Brazil, it is about fixation on looks. If someone is considered "ugly" they might get comments about their lack of looks even on super-market queue.

Is this true? And if so - should you not do something about it?

And as to Jesus thing - I am very strongly secularist, as much I have private admiration for Jesus, and amazing biblical Finnish. But it is also because Jesus said: give to the Emperor what is due to him, and to the Heavenly Father the same. Separation of spiritual and material was endorsed by Jesus, and trust me - if asked you for an excuse to overlook bullying, Jesus would have none. I am far worse, but I have none either.
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DaCostaBR: I can only speak for my personal experience. My junior high was in a small religious private school (sorry, I know you hate religion), small enough that the entire staff knew everyone personally and could have spotted any problems as they appeared and acted accordingly. So there was neither the space nor opportunity for bullying to occur.
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My high school was the complete opposite, in a very large public high school/technical school. I only studied in the high school part of it yet they treated us the same way.

Maybe other schools are different, I couldn't speak for them.
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TStael: I have read that if there is an issue in Brazil, it is about fixation on looks. If someone is considered "ugly" they might get comments about their lack of looks even on super-market queue.

Is this true? And if so - should you not do something about it?
Of course it's not true, that's preposterous. No one's going to go up to a stranger and comment on their looks, much less criticize them for it.
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TStael: I have read that if there is an issue in Brazil, it is about fixation on looks. If someone is considered "ugly" they might get comments about their lack of looks even on super-market queue.

Is this true? And if so - should you not do something about it?
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DaCostaBR: Of course it's not true, that's preposterous. No one's going to go up to a stranger and comment on their looks, much less criticize them for it.
But you'd think there is hardly any bullying in comprehensive schools, from the comments here - so good on Brazil on that one. But I remain source critical, obviously. A Finnish woman might get "whore" sort of verbal volley in a night club.

After plausibly having been bullied in school, lol! ;-)

But also, you must cousins, siblilings, friends. All fine, them, really?
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TStael: snip
What a little weenie. Shut up and give me your lunch money now before I wedgie you to the flagpole and call the entire school over to salute you. :O

Seriously though. Your posts imply that besides not being the most popular student you also weren't the most intelligent one. If you have no redeeming factors other than "I exist and people should therefore like me and/or treat me nicely" then you're out of luck on planet Earth. Not being able to fight back against a bully with intelligence, force, bravery, or social qualities just means that you're an evolutionary weak link that has lost the battle of life. You can disagree with natural selection all you want, but no one's gonna hear you at the bottom of the chain unless they're down there with you.

Always looking for blame, never looking for solutions. "Everyone I consider a problem needs to change to cater to my worldviews" is not a solution, just another problem.

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hedwards: But, I've got plenty of reason to think that the complaints were motivated on my sexual orientation rather than on anything I did.
Wow. That's so gay man. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

But honestly, why would anyone at your workplace know your sexuality in the first place? Being open about what you do with your genitals is not a professional attitude for anyone to have at any jobs, with the exception of the porn industry. There's more to your story than you'd like to reveal/admit.
Folks, although I understand very well why most of you are doing what you are doing, there are ways of derailing and there are ways of derailing... if you truly believe TStael is trolling, don't feed them. How's that for an easy solution that does not harm anyone even if unintentionally?

I mean whatever your read on their motivations, you do see they are troubled and likely in some pain of some kind? Try to be kinder to each other please.
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TStael: snip
Hi TStael,

When I do critical analysis of your post I see exactly 3 question marks. The majority of your post is your relating of some experiences. The conclusion I make is that despite trying to start a dialogue, your main motive for this post was expressing your opinion and maybe some catharsis.

Because I try to be a kind individual and I have respect for your idealism I will first try to answer that implicit, because unstated, need that I think you are expressing.

You have survived it and are safer now. :) I'm happy that you managed to do so.
I'm sorry if this facebook canvassing reopened some old wounds. All you are saying is right on: you should not have been bullied. It should be your choice to be vulnerable instead of strong, and no one should have hurt you on purpose.

I am sorry for your old coleague. As you know supporting him will probably help him hugely, and you are in a perfect position to do so kindly. That's of course, if it is not too painful for you. Getting angry at him would be the worst right? If it is painful, please take care of yourself before challenging your resilience.



Now, because I am who and how I am, I will answer your actual literal questions, and then give you my opinion. Here's from the bottom.

I'm afraid I don't see... because I'm not sure what your ... ... ... was supposed to mean. I can make guesses but it is too vague for me.

Your other two questions are actually the same question. I think I was a bit bullied. But funnily enough I did not really think of it as bullying back then. I probably did not even really notice much of it, and the only reason I think something like it happened is things friends tell me but I either did not notice or don't remember at all. This was primary school. Ignorance is bliss heh?

In high school, there was one particular occasion where another student in my class choked me until I passed out. I'm not sure whether to call that bullying, but looking at it form a distance - despite some very common parameters with typical situations of bullying in school, I would probably judge it to have been something a bit different in my case.


Now my opinion. Bullying is a very difficult situation, especially among children and teenagers, not because there are no victims - there are obviously - but because sometimes there are no malicious bullyers. Despite the damage it causes bullying is very similar to social games that are perfectly healthy and necessary to life in a group.

In terms I think you will understand, all choice inherently implies exclusion. And that exclusion can be harmful yet unintentional.

This is very unfortunate because it makes it very hard for adults to judge properly what is happening. In the extreme situations of malice, the bullier is probably adept at camouflaging his intent. The victim is probably the least prepared to get help, and also trying to hide and act strong.

It's overall a tragic thing. I think the best way to prevent even the non malicious bullying from becoming damaging is a quick reaction. To identify that something like it is happeningand be able to react I'd suggest dynamic social life and deep parental involvement. But then, my "conservatism" and focus on families would say that right? :) I think the dynamic social life matters so that children have different circles of non overlapping friends. Behavioral differences will be easier to notice with references for contrast.

Parental involvement is obvious. The child or teenager should ideally feel at ease to share his experiences in a safe environment. Unfortunately the statistical truth is that bullying victims likely correlate with situations where there are communication difficulties in the families, be that due to socioeconomic conditions, or non normative personalities.


Be well TStael.
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Emachine9643: No, I really am lost. Took a wrong turn and google maps won't load.....XD
There's this app I use called "maps.me". It's basically google maps offline, you download the country you're interested in and then you don't need internet to check the map anywhere. It's basically cheating, but can't help but admit it's plenty useful.
A big red haired kid in third grade tried to manhandle me in class while we were drawing on the chalk board after class. He tried to grab me and push me off my chair at the chalk board and embarrass me in front of the class.

A few seconds later he was sitting back down in his chair with two swollen black eyes that were filled with tears. I went Little Mac on his face and the bully soon became the pathetic little coward sitting at his desk. My parents later made me go over to his house and apologize because we were in the Boy Scouts group and his dad was the den leader or something so we had to make up and be friends.

But he never bullied me again. In fact, no one did bully me again until later I moved and had to go to a 'troubled inner city middle school' but that's a whole other story.

So yeah, I've been bullied. And I fought back. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But you always fight. Never back down, even while staring into the face of defeat. It really isn't how many times you've been knocked down. It's how many times you get back up.
Please refer to this link both you and tort1234.
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TStael: cut... see above
i saw what you did there...
i guess that would work as an answer to my genuine question (along with some bonus insults thrown to my face and some despiseful unfair rethorical bs altogether...)

things are now perfectly clear thank you sir, and i do know who i'm talking to (and others could see it too); needless to say i'm quite unpleased with that but i guess it works so well for you irl.

i could say you are an insult to people who were bullied before, like me... but i guess most concerned people would already have noticed that sooner than i did because they are smarter and faster than me.

Protip for you: your bullying 2.0 methods, agenda and rethoric sure must all be very efficient within your general vicinity but keep in mind that the audience here may be way older (and so, out of your league) to be lectured by you because, you know what ? we already seen, done and endured a great deal due to the crushing number of years behind us; mind you.

you can follow onward in PM if you feel like, but as of here, i think we are done and your mask had dropped off.
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hedwards: But, I've got plenty of reason to think that the complaints were motivated on my sexual orientation rather than on anything I did.
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MaximumBunny: Wow. That's so gay man. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

But honestly, why would anyone at your workplace know your sexuality in the first place? Being open about what you do with your genitals is not a professional attitude for anyone to have at any jobs, with the exception of the porn industry. There's more to your story than you'd like to reveal/admit.
That's a common attitude and trust me people can tell if they care to. All it takes is the wrong answer to a few questions or an inability to add constructively during a conversation to be outed. Even just a flash of emotion when being called a fag can be sufficient.

Or for that matter not talking at all about ones love life can be sufficient to get pegged as gay whether or not it's true.

People knew I wasn't straight years before I did.

And BTW, I'm bi, not gay, which makes things even worse as we get even less tolerance than gays do. A lot of men are really uncomfortable with gay and bi men to begin with, but when we're more masculine than they are it just makes things a lot worse.
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Emachine9643: No, I really am lost. Took a wrong turn and google maps won't load.....XD
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P1na: There's this app I use called "maps.me". It's basically google maps offline, you download the country you're interested in and then you don't need internet to check the map anywhere. It's basically cheating, but can't help but admit it's plenty useful.
Google recently beefed up their offline map capabilities. Previously you had to type OK maps into the search bar to get the option of downloading offline maps. I forget if that's still necessary, but now they update automatically once downloaded.
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I've had people ask me if I'm gay or think I'm gay.

gays act a certain way. I'm pretty sure I don't act like that. anyway

it's not frequent and they didn't take any convincing so I'm not really worried about it.
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Emachine9643: No, I really am lost. Took a wrong turn and google maps won't load.....XD
It's not like it's of much use anyway:
https://xkcd.com/461/
https://xkcd.com/1169/
https://xkcd.com/489/

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wpegg: I'm sure we also covered this area in the thread - "Apartheid, was it a good thing?"
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sunshinecorp: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN!
*swallows diamonds*
Ha ha!

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Emachine9643: I still don't understand the point of this thread. What do you want to discuss? Bullying in general? Why do you want to discuss it? What motivated you to make this thread?
Me neither.
Post edited January 21, 2016 by Lemon_Curry
I think I can sum this thread up for everyone:

TStael: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW *disingenuous pretentious asshattery disguised by a thin veneer of magnanimous undertoning*

Alright, commence with the hookers and blackjack!
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LiquidOxygen80: I think I can sum this thread up for everyone:

TStael: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW *disingenuous pretentious asshattery disguised by a thin veneer of magnanimous undertoning*

Alright, commence with the hookers and blackjack!
MORON!

First the blackjack and then the hookers!
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LiquidOxygen80: I think I can sum this thread up for everyone:

TStael: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW *disingenuous pretentious asshattery disguised by a thin veneer of magnanimous undertoning*

Alright, commence with the hookers and blackjack!
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tinyE: MORON!

First the blackjack and then the hookers!
And risk having no money for hookers? I don't like those odds!