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Posted December 20, 2020
I haven't heard about Devotion game until it was banned from everywhere. Then I googled that it might be decent horror game but after all these bad stuff which most are related to punk 2077 and this year people are so angry and indeed punk 2077 should have been more polished but the hate is so overwhelming and it's spiraling like shit. How many would have heard or played Devotion before this shitstorm? Not me but now I'm kinda interested about the game.
Posted December 20, 2020
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Antimateria: I haven't heard about Devotion game until it was banned from everywhere. Then I googled that it might be decent horror game but after all these bad stuff which most are related to punk 2077 and this year people are so angry and indeed punk 2077 should have been more polished but the hate is so overwhelming and it's spiraling like shit. How many would have heard or played Devotion before this shitstorm? Not me but now I'm kinda interested about the game.
I don't like horror games and I would not play it even if it would be available. However, it has nothing to do with me being strongly opposed to a western company succumbing to China's pressure and helping CCP to extend its censorship across the world. Such behavior, if left unchecked, would greatly limit our own freedom in future.

And, by the way, I love Cyberpunk 2077. Playing it for a week and can't get enough. It won't stop me from stopping any future purchases from GOG.
Posted December 20, 2020
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Grahor: I don't like horror games and I would not play it even if it would be available. However, it has nothing to do with me being strongly opposed to a western company succumbing to China's pressure and helping CCP to extend its censorship across the world. Such behavior, if left unchecked, would greatly limit our own freedom in future.

And, by the way, I love Cyberpunk 2077. Playing it for a week and can't get enough. It won't stop me from stopping any future purchases from GOG.
Well I do I agree that politics shouldn't restrict games for releasing especially outside of said place. Germans are still paying the price in Wolf 3d. But if I had to pick between releasing a game or atomic bomb.. That's a toughhie. =D
Posted December 20, 2020
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Antimateria: Germans are still paying the price in Wolf 3d.
Not anymore.
Posted December 20, 2020
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Antimateria: Germans are still paying the price in Wolf 3d.
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toxicTom: Not anymore.
Sweet! Time to put some holes in them. =)
Posted December 20, 2020
I have to admit, I have thought myself whether boycotting was a good idea or not after beginning to back up my library. It's the only client I can do this in, and if the same happened on Steam, well, that's a subscription service that's always going to have DRM. Honestly, I was just hoping GOG responded something. Anything. Hell, even if GOG is on track to go down, any game I can buy through it is guaranteed DRM-less and can be backed up.

I think what can follow GOG is an open source project that does what things like gogrepo.py and its GUI developments do, but for any game you can get a DRM-less copy on, for cloud saves, and acting like the GOG Galaxy client. Have it on any cloud service, and eventually, specialized cloud servers will start appearing for it for lower monthly costs, since most of the binaries will be the same throughout accounts. Or have your own home NAS.

I seriously don't care about community features anyway (hypocritical atm, right? but this is purely punctual). There's always loudmouths and volunteer moderators getting their power on you eventually run into, and that is not one of the features I've missed in GOG (or EGS, if one can speak its name here). I just want a game library, and it seems to me, any developer can provide a DRM-less copy.

The prospects for GOG or even CD Projekt RED are not looking good even internally. There's been a lot of uproar and tension between the developers and the board. This is really reeking of Activision Blizzard. They aren't just failing their communication with us, they are failing it to themselves. They had a chance to quickly try to get some PR back before the weekend, and they've only partially done so with Cyberpunk 2077 by doubling down on refunds - nothing about Devotion.
Posted December 20, 2020
You are supposed to backup your games as soon as you get them. Why are you here then if it isnt for the installers to be able to install games offline?
Posted December 20, 2020
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hera35: The difference is you can criticize any political leader in the West.
You can even criticise Winnie, make fun of him, whatever. The game will be blocked for China, that's all.

The problem is that the dev is question is from Taiwan, and tension there are high all the time, short before hot war several times.
Let's also not forget the the dev snuck this mockery of Winnie into the game without the mainland publisher knowing - also people with families to feed - and the this unsuspecting company got completely destroyed in the process. That's simply not nice, despite "freedom of art" and all that. If I snuck Mohammed caricatures in my game and told you to publish it in Saudi Arabia, would you be happy to lose your head over "freedom of art"?
Posted December 20, 2020
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Truth007: You are supposed to backup your games as soon as you get them. Why are you here then if it isnt for the installers to be able to install games offline?
If you are asking me, because they had my trust and I agreed with their mission statement. Both have now been severed to some degree.

Also, lazyness and not realizing how easy gogrepo.py was.
Posted December 20, 2020
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BitLiz: Honestly, I was just hoping GOG responded something. Anything.
They can't. It's that simple. Because the answer would be "we can't lose China" (esp. with CP2077 which is hugely popular there), which they can't say because they don't are "officially" in China.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/dec/17/taiwanese-horror-game-pulled-from-sale-again-after-backlash-in-china
Like many PC gaming firms, GOG operates in a grey area in China. The company’s service is available in simplified Chinese, and to users without a VPN. But the Chinese government technically requires games to be licensed for sale in the country – a process strictly controlled by the National Radio and Television Administration and Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
Posted December 20, 2020
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hera35: The difference is you can criticize any political leader in the West.
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toxicTom: You can even criticise Winnie, make fun of him, whatever. The game will be blocked for China, that's all.

The problem is that the dev is question is from Taiwan, and tension there are high all the time, short before hot war several times.
Let's also not forget the the dev snuck this mockery of Winnie into the game without the mainland publisher knowing - also people with families to feed - and the this unsuspecting company got completely destroyed in the process. That's simply not nice, despite "freedom of art" and all that. If I snuck Mohammed caricatures in my game and told you to publish it in Saudi Arabia, would you be happy to lose your head over "freedom of art"?
... France ... I agree with Macron on freedom of speech.

Also, the whole Winnie the Pooh thing is gone in GOG, so it's not really relevant.
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BitLiz: Honestly, I was just hoping GOG responded something. Anything.
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toxicTom: They can't. It's that simple. Because the answer would be "we can't lose China" (esp. with CP2077 which is hugely popular there), which they can't say because they don't are "officially" in China.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/dec/17/taiwanese-horror-game-pulled-from-sale-again-after-backlash-in-china

Like many PC gaming firms, GOG operates in a grey area in China. The company’s service is available in simplified Chinese, and to users without a VPN. But the Chinese government technically requires games to be licensed for sale in the country – a process strictly controlled by the National Radio and Television Administration and Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
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toxicTom:
Let's be honest. GOG, DRM-less ... the library is likely pirated in its entirety over there. It's why the made the deal with the Chinese One Plus phone manufacturer for a Cyberpunk 2077 exclusive to at least cash out on it that way, I think.

I think if they have anything to fear, it's the attempts at subterfuge from a 50 cent army, like chargebacks coming from accounts that only buy the game then stop the payment saying they've been ripped off. Maybe that's why the developer has limited the release to a controlled number of physical copies as well.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by BitLiz
Posted December 20, 2020
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BitLiz: I think if they have anything to fear, it's the attempts at subterfuge from a 50 cent army, like chargebacks coming from accounts that only buy the game then stop the payment saying they've been ripped off.
[ ] You have read and understood the article.

In Steam's hardware survey nearly 20% of the clients ran on a Chinese OS. That's second place after English, and probably doesn't include regions like Hong Kong, where people prefer English to the hated "Chinese" (Mandarin). That's customers spending money, pirates will always find a way to pirate.
Posted December 20, 2020
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toxicTom: They can't. It's that simple. Because the answer would be "we can't lose China" (esp. with CP2077 which is hugely popular there), which they can't say because they don't are "officially" in China.
The beauty of China. They let you do anything but officially they don't allow you to do them. The moment you fall out of favor they can officially erase you because you already violated multiple rules.
Posted December 20, 2020
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BitLiz: I think if they have anything to fear, it's the attempts at subterfuge from a 50 cent army, like chargebacks coming from accounts that only buy the game then stop the payment saying they've been ripped off.
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toxicTom: [ ] You have read and understood the article.

In Steam's hardware survey nearly 20% of the clients ran on a Chinese OS. That's second place after English, and probably doesn't include regions like Hong Kong, where people prefer English to the hated "Chinese" (Mandarin). That's customers spending money, pirates will always find a way to pirate.
Steam isn't GOG. Steam has DRM, besides most games, F2P included. They need to run it.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by BitLiz
Posted December 20, 2020
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Every time GOG does something like this, I pull farther away. I'm not done, but I'll be Danner if I advocate for them again until they change. Always capitulating to the minority mob is terrible, and capitulating to a country's government who has no respect for human rights is even worse. Sure, China has money. But I guess their money is more valuable than goodwill of the rest of the world. FCK DRM. And FCK GOG, CDPR and CDP for their recent shitty behavior and catering to the closest thing this generation has to a villainous government.
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