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General discussionBoycotting DRM and Game Censorship on GOG, 2021-2022(5216 posts) (5216 posts) 
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Posted January 13, 2021
Yes, I returned Cyberpunk 2077 already and I am not spending a single cent on GOG until they start selling "Devotion" in their store.
Posted January 13, 2021
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"... to it's detriment since there is a lot of copycats, students amateur projects and even some adult games of questionable moral value (where there's a demographic there's a way I guess)."

Quit being a damn prude. Morals are subjective, not questionable. God, it's like you people are afraid of porn and hentai or something.
Posted January 13, 2021
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thefallenalchemist: Isn't Zoom the Skype thing? I don't use that either.
No, that's the app for talking/chatting....this is another game store:
Zoom Platform
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thefallenalchemist: Even if I stopped buying games from Steam, they're basically Walmart. People boycott Walmart all the time, it doesn't stop them from being the world's largest retailer. One guy quits, millions, if not billions of people could care less.
That is the sad reality, and is why I have cut back buying from GOG but nit fully stopped(and why I don't do many full boycotts).

Now if that changed and more signed onto said boycotts then I could see backing them as being more practical(for me, anyways).
Posted January 13, 2021
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I looked at Zoom. Definitely want to check the "About Us" section. Right now it looks like a knock-off of classic GOG, but I read some stuff at the bottom that says they plan to turn it into a vehicle for their own original media. A lot of former corporate heads in there too, so don't expect them to not bend the knee eventually, or get bought out entirely.

This whole banning thing is a product of cancel culture, which is truly the dumbest thing your generation ever came up with. It's also a bit communist and let me explain why. You're allowing essentially, a group of people decide what you can and cannot support. Instead of a man having his free will to do what he may, that good old rugged Individualism that my country was founded on, we have small and very loud groups of people dictating choices for everyone.

"You can't like that. If you do, then you are a bad person."

Speaking of China, that is the same rhetoric they used to push the social credit system. So it is pretty darn ironic that someone would want to boycott Steam and GOG and all these other platforms because they support a country that adheres to the same social strata that a person is using to boycott them. Just seems a bit ironic and rather silly.

Sure, you can continue to hassle GOG's forums and social media talking about how upset you are over the Devotion situation (Cyberpunk is in fact more justified, I understand the upset there) even though China is eventually going to be the next big world power after the US fragments, which many sources have predicted. Maybe Poland kinda realizes that and it hasn't really sunk in with a lot of other countries yet. Well, you'll find out sooner rather than later.

And you have to think about it this way - if China wasn't considered a threat to business and/or livelihood, we probably would not have so many companies capitulating to them. I know there's a lot of "screw China" and "screw the CCP" folks here and I understand how they feel. But maybe, just maybe, some of these large corporations know something that we don't and that's why they've bent the knee.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by thefallenalchemist
Posted January 13, 2021
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Sorry had to do it this way as GOG ate the post:
(post bits correspond to reply bits by number)

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Time4Tea: 1. Well, bear in mind that point is not just referring to the Cyberpunk rewards (hence 'several times in recent months'). GOG have also been giving more substantial benefits only to Galaxy users. For example, just a few weeks ago, they gave Witcher 1 as a freebie to only Galaxy users, but not non-Galaxy. So, it seems clear who their 'preferred customers' are.

2. Tbh, I see that as a bit of a cop-out. Many people seem to use that excuse for inaction and it's a self-fulfilling mindset. The mega-corps are relying on just that sort of consumer apathy to cement their power and control.

3. The only value I see to GOG being DRM-free is if is 100%. If it's only 99%, they immediately give up that moral high ground for a battleground they are not going to win on.
1. They are also(iirc) gave it free to ALL users several times as well. Imo giving it ONE time to just galaxy users isn't that big a deal(as the other gog issues, I mean).

2. That may be somewhat true....still, unless and until more people get onto a boycott they are more or less near inffective(in terms of financial impact at the least).

Boycotts also hvrt the person doing them(in terms of choice and such) more than the company.
(that is another reason I don't fully join many of them)

3. To some, 99% is better than 50% or even closer to 0%. Also compromise(on both sides) is often easier to achieve than trying to achieve a likely impossible goal.


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Time4Tea: However, they seem to be on a slow and steady path towards that. So, imo, the time to make a stand and protest is now. If we wait much longer, it will be too late and there won't be anything left to save.
Imo they aren't likely to reverse course...if they didn't already(though there is still a slim chance, I admit).

That said, imo the best thing to do(imo) is find DRM free alternatives and either buy here less or not at all, while making sure to let GOG know the reasons why(via here and social media, etc).
Post edited January 13, 2021 by GamezRanker
Posted January 13, 2021
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Yeah, I gotta agree. 99% is way better than 50% or 0%. I learned a long time ago that life is not fair, and I don't know if these damn indoctrinating college professors or what, but I knew from an early age that I wasn't entitled to things going my way. That's why I put up these stupidly unrealistic goals for game developers and online storefronts. There's no way every game in the market will be DRM-Free. They love Denuvo too much and for good reason, it works. Some games take hundreds of days to crack, which means people are more likely to buy the product right out and there are more purchase days for a product before it gets cracked. Case in point - it took a year to crack Red Dead Redemption 2. That's a very, very long time.

So yes, while I can dream about things like this happening, that's just not reality. The same can be said with the 100% DRM-Free guarantee or that 100% of the games here will run all platforms. That doesn't even work for Steam. You can boycott every game store in the world, you'll just wind up with money saved and not spent - which is actually nor a bad thing, no matter how wealthy you say you are. Rough times come without warning, so maybe not buying so many games might be a good thing for you after all. You have to prepare for the supremely unfair times after all.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by thefallenalchemist
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thefallenalchemist: I looked at Zoom. Definitely want to check the "About Us" section. Right now it looks like a knock-off of classic GOG, but I read some stuff at the bottom that says they plan to turn it into a vehicle for their own original media. A lot of former corporate heads in there too, so don't expect them to not bend the knee eventually, or get bought out entirely.
They probably will, given time....as it happens to more businesses than not give enough time and money and etc....still, for now it seems decent enough. :)
Post edited January 13, 2021 by GamezRanker
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thefallenalchemist: I looked at Zoom. Definitely want to check the "About Us" section. Right now it looks like a knock-off of classic GOG, but I read some stuff at the bottom that says they plan to turn it into a vehicle for their own original media. A lot of former corporate heads in there too, so don't expect them to not bend the knee eventually, or get bought out entirely.
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GamezRanker: They probably will, given time....as it happens to more businesses than not give enough time and money and etc....still, for now it seems decent enough. :)

(also a head's up: try to keep within the rules/coc here[i.e. no straight politics talk], as I reported a troll post from another user several pages back, and as a result GOG might be looking over this thread sooner or later)
Well, considering the anti-CCP sentiments (OP is using a Winnie the pooh avatar which is political) and many people refusing to use GOG because of a political situation regarding Devotion, it is very difficult not to mention politics. GamezRanker, this entire thread is solely based on politics. And I'm sure GOG has been reading it, it got a lot of attention.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by thefallenalchemist
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thefallenalchemist: Some games take hundreds of days to crack, which means people are more likely to buy the product right out and there are more purchase days for a product before it gets cracked. Case in point - it took a year to crack Red Dead Redemption 2. That's a very, very long time.
Actually, from what I heard, many games get crkked in a few days....those other cases are the rare exceptions.

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thefallenalchemist: Rough times come without warning, so maybe not buying so many games might be a good thing for you after all. You have to prepare for the supremely unfair times after all.
Yes and that's good advice in general.....saving money and such for tough times, I mean.

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thefallenalchemist: Well, considering the anti-CCP sentiments (OP is using a Winnie the pooh avatar which is political) and many people refusing to use GOG because of a political situation regarding Devotion, it is very difficult not to mention politics.
Those are allowed, though, as they're tied to the site/store(gog) and also a game.....but pure political talk(election talk, etc) does get modded.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by GamezRanker
Posted January 13, 2021
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Yes, without Denuvo. Normal DRM is pretty easy, to the point that it may as well not exist. But Denuvo is completely different and it usually takes a few weeks to a few months to crack, depending on the game and what version of Denuvo the corporation paid for.

Also Ranker, keep in mind that a few of these folks just joined the forum so they could come on here and say they were going to boycott GOG for political reasons over Devotion, rather than the rest of the valid concerns expressed here in the forum. There are definitely valid concerns, but "I'm gonna boycott this site because of the CCP" as has been spammed all over GOG's social media posts is purely political in nature and doesn't belong on this forum if politics cannot be discussed here. Mods do need to check this stuff out, especially if it is against TOS in the forums.
Post edited January 13, 2021 by thefallenalchemist
Posted January 13, 2021
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thefallenalchemist: Yes, without Denuvo. Normal DRM is pretty easy, to the point that it may as well not exist. But Denuvo is completely different and it usually takes a few weeks to a few months to crack, depending on the game and what version of Denuvo the corporation paid for.
Didn't denuvo get easily crkked as well in some cases?
Post edited January 13, 2021 by GamezRanker
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Somehow I messed that up. But yeah, very rarely does Denuvo get cracked easy. Usually when it says "Denuvo" the seas go silent and everyone lets out a frustrated groan as they turn their ships around and go back the way they came. Denuvo really works for companies, so I see no real reason for them to stop using it.
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thefallenalchemist: Somehow I messed that up. But yeah, very rarely does Denuvo get cracked easy. Usually when it says "Denuvo" the seas go silent and everyone lets out a frustrated groan as they turn their ships around and go back the way they came. Denuvo really works for companies, so I see no real reason for them to stop using it.
Well cost would likely be one factor.....companies often just seem to want to APPEAR to their shareholders/boards as if they did something to defend against piracy.....which is why they seem to go with cheaper DRM options in more cases. Money talks.

It is likely(sadly) why GOG removed devotion....leading to this thread and others.
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thefallenalchemist: Yes, without Denuvo. Normal DRM is pretty easy, to the point that it may as well not exist. But Denuvo is completely different and it usually takes a few weeks to a few months to crack, depending on the game and what version of Denuvo the corporation paid for.
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GamezRanker: Didn't denuvo get easily crkked as well in some cases?

(also again: politics talk tied to a game or GOG[as some of the expressed sentiments are] is fine.....but going off into stuff not related to gog or devotion isn't. I don't mind it, but staff does....and I don't want to see the thread get locked, is all)

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Also to the thread/topic: GL with the boycott, y'all :)
And once again, the Devotion situation is purely political. People have already been moderated for bringing it up. I understand you don' t want the thread locked, but if people keep talking about it in here and not the other stuff, it will get locked. I just saw a no name post about how he wasn't going to buy anything because of Devotion and he's probably not even a regular customer, just someone from outrage Twitter. That's the kind of stuff that will get a thread locked.

To be fair, I did not know we could not discuss politics in here, so I will refrain, though one final time I will admit that it is difficult to do when one of the major reasons for all this is entirely based in politics.
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thefallenalchemist: To be fair, I did not know we could not discuss politics in here, so I will refrain, though one final time I will admit that it is difficult to do when one of the major reasons for all this is entirely based in politics.
Any such talk tied to the devotion removal/gog is fine, but anything that's not gaming politics related isn't allowed.
(like talk about the election and etc)

So as long as you stick to stuff tied to the devotion removal/GOG/the game you should be fine.

As for the boycott: I wish everyone well that is taking part in it or supporting it in spirit. :)
Post edited January 13, 2021 by GamezRanker
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