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General discussionBoycotting DRM and Game Censorship on GOG, 2021-2022(5216 posts) (5216 posts) 
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Posted January 12, 2021
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thefallenalchemist:
Thanks for posting and I respect your opinions; however, a few comments:

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thefallenalchemist: First off, there's no way in hell I'm abandoning GOG. As long as they adhere to DRM-Free policies.
Ok, but what do you mean by 'adhering to DRM-free policies'? There seems to be a clear pattern of erosion of GOG's '100% DRM-free' promise, with several games now on GOG that have already been mentioned including DRM. What line would they have to cross for you, that would constitute them not 'adhering to DRM-free policies'?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm

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thefallenalchemist: Yeah, they push galaxy a lot. I don't care, because I do not use it nor the steam client. In fact, I just buy games from Steam, hop on my ship and get a version without DRM that way. So the developer gets their money and so does steam, but I don't have to download the damn client.
The problem I see with this is that yes, you might be getting a DRM-free game in the end by getting a cracked copy, but you are still rewarding the developer for making a DRMed game. From their point-of-view, your purchase is an endorsement that you are a-ok with them releasing with DRM. So, it doesn't do anything to support the DRM-free movement.

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thefallenalchemist: I get the Devotion situation, but it is a really shitty game. I watched the playthrough of it and I have so many bones to pick with all of these developers regarding "survival horror games."
I haven't played it either and you are entitled to your opinion. However, it seems to have good reviews. Besides, whether it's a 'good game' or not is rather beside the point. Is it ok to censor a game that is 'bad', but not a 'good' one?

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thefallenalchemist: I've been a loyal supporter of GOG for a while, and there's really nowhere else I buy my games.
Have you tried Zoom Platform? Imo, they seem to be the most viable alternative to GOG at the moment.

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thefallenalchemist: Ultimately, I'm here to stay as long as there is nothing else. I'd love for all PC gamers to just boycott all the companies and refuse new releases, even indie titles until DRM was removed and offline installers were mandatory for every game ever released on PC and I am not kidding. You can do this with adult hentai and porn games via MangaGamer, Jast and DLSite, so why do these big tech companies have to force their clients and

DRM when it comes to non-adult games? Heck, I'd rather it be like the old days, where you just enter a code to install the game that you would get in a manual (which would in this case be an email or a purchase message). But that's more extreme than the OP. Yeah, it can be a bit much to want all PC gamers to boycott every PC game ever released with DRM until DRM is no longer a thing, nor clients, but that's my dream. People are gonna pirate the stuff anyway, but hey - at least some people still pay for it.
Then perhaps you should live that dream and stop buying games from Steam.
Posted January 12, 2021
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Posted January 12, 2021
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Time4Tea: First post updated to #380.
i am also boycotting gog over their actions and have made my profile public as proof of not buying any new gog games.
my profile is https://www.gog.com/u/evilprotoss
Post edited January 12, 2021 by evilprotoss
Posted January 12, 2021
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Time4Tea: The problem I see with this is that yes, you might be getting a DRM-free game in the end by getting a cracked copy, but you are still rewarding the developer for making a DRMed game. From their point-of-view, your purchase is an endorsement that you are a-ok with them releasing with DRM. So, it doesn't do anything to support the DRM-free movement.
I like DRM free too, but let's be realistic....barring a major shift in thinking, companies will continue to use DRM and various people will(for varying reasons) continue to buy from them.

That is why some of us buy legit where we can(preferably from drm free stores) and then strip such protections after if need be.
Posted January 12, 2021
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Time4Tea: First post updated to #380.
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evilprotoss: i am also boycotting gog over their actions and have made my profile public as proof of not buying any new gog games.
my profile is https://www.gog.com/u/evilprotoss
2400+ games! This is one customer I'd hate to lose if I was Gog.

Welcome to the boycott list.
Posted January 12, 2021
Refund is a joke and lie in GOG 25.12 i made a request to refund Cyberpunk 2077 coz the game is garbage all what thed did is that thye send me autorespond and after 2 weeks they changed the status to ,,DONE,, also i made a topic in forum aboutt this afer post it and 10min later topic was deleted pathetic... xD
Posted January 12, 2021
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Yeahzus: Refund is a joke and lie in GOG 25.12 i made a request to refund Cyberpunk 2077 coz the game is garbage all what thed did is that thye send me autorespond and after 2 weeks they changed the status to ,,DONE,, also i made a topic in forum aboutt this afer post it and 10min later topic was deleted pathetic... xD
I think I saw your topic, and a topic made by another user few hours ago. Both were deleted, cause every time I want to open those pages from the browser history I get "404" message like this one:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/i_have_not_heard_from_gog_ever_since_i_filed_for_a_refund_back_in_dec_17

Can't imagine your frustration.
Posted January 12, 2021
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Yeahzus: Refund is a joke and lie in GOG 25.12 i made a request to refund Cyberpunk 2077 coz the game is garbage all what thed did is that thye send me autorespond and after 2 weeks they changed the status to ,,DONE,, also i made a topic in forum aboutt this afer post it and 10min later topic was deleted pathetic... xD
Welcome to the club of disappointed GOG users!

You can leave a comment about this situation here:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/tell_the_gog_team_we_arent_appreciating_their_work_anymore

(and don't forget to vote)
Post edited January 12, 2021 by Amiko Novich
Posted January 12, 2021
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Yeahzus: Refund is a joke and lie in GOG 25.12 i made a request to refund Cyberpunk 2077 coz the game is garbage all what thed did is that thye send me autorespond and after 2 weeks they changed the status to ,,DONE,, also i made a topic in forum aboutt this afer post it and 10min later topic was deleted pathetic... xD
There is a global refund thread in the Cyberpunk forum : https://www.gog.com/forum/cyberpunk_2077/refund

More and more peoples are starting to receive their refunds, but it seems to be taking around three weeks.
Posted January 12, 2021
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Time4Tea: The problem I see with this is that yes, you might be getting a DRM-free game in the end by getting a cracked copy, but you are still rewarding the developer for making a DRMed game. From their point-of-view, your purchase is an endorsement that you are a-ok with them releasing with DRM. So, it doesn't do anything to support the DRM-free movement.
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GamezRanker: I like DRM free too, but let's be realistic....barring a major shift in thinking, companies will continue to use DRM and various people will(for varying reasons) continue to buy from them.

That is why some of us buy legit where we can(preferably from drm free stores) and then strip such protections after if need be.
If that's what you want to do, that's up to you. But i don't think it changes the point I was making - that you shouldn't be under any illusion that doing so is somehow helping the DRM-free movement. In fact, it's not even neutral. In buying from Steam, you are just further validating the developer's position that DRM is a-ok.
Posted January 12, 2021
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Time4Tea: Firstly, the continued slippage of GOG's DRM-free values. The promise of 100% DRM-free is what the site was originally founded on and yet GOG seem to be allowing this principle to be increasingly eroded. The games No Man's Sky and Absolver are two examples of games that include single-player DRM, which GOG is aware of and has failed to address. CDPR also seem to continue to believe the rules on GOG don't apply to their own games, firstly with Gwent and more recently the DRMed single-player rewards built into Cyberpunk.
This is the issue that is almost making me go back to Steam. If I am going to have DRM games anyway, why not the largest platform?
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Time4Tea: In addition, GOG's recent deal with Epic appears to be a cover for GOG to start selling DRMed games.
This might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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Time4Tea: Several times in recent months, GOG has given incentives only to Galaxy users in the form of bonus content or free games. This has the effect of making non-Galaxy users feel like second-class customers.
First thing you said that I disagree with. Those incentives are for people to use the Galaxy. It's marketing. And trust me, you didn't miss anything in Cyberpunk 2077. Just some clothing (and not very good stats) that have the Witcher logo. And it's FPP so you don't see your clothes anyway. It's just fancy marketing -- "here's free stuff! It's shiny and sparkling! Completely useless, but it's free!" If it would be some bonus quest or something actually useful, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But it's cosmetics in Cyberpunk 2077. It's cool to have, but you don't miss anything if you don't have it. Exactly the type of bonus that I am ok with in this kind of marketing.
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Time4Tea: Also, there many well documented cases of GOG neglecting to update offline installers, even though they are updating the Galaxy versions, so they clearly have the updated files.
I did not know this. Agreed. Completely unacceptable if they want to keep the non-DRM reputation.
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Time4Tea: GOG's decision to be complicit in imposing Chinese censorship on non-Chinese users is simply unacceptable.
Also a good reason. I am not interested in this game so I have not followed any news. Did not know about this, but if they are bending the knee to one country, they are probably going to be influenced by many others. It doesn't make sense. I can't play a game because someone in China doesn't like the game?
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Time4Tea: Zoom Platform,
Oh, that has opened already? And they accept registrations now? Cool. Haven't been there since it was just an info page.
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Time4Tea: Is anyone else intending to boycott GOG?
No. Good points, though.
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Time4Tea: Who is with me?
I do understand and even agree on all but one point (that those less than worthless marketing bonuses in Galaxy 2 would make non-Galaxy users any less valuable), but so long as GOG is not switching to Epic-style store and fill this full of DRM games, I am still going to stick with this.
Posted January 12, 2021
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frogthroat: First thing you said that I disagree with. Those incentives are for people to use the Galaxy. It's marketing. And trust me, you didn't miss anything in Cyberpunk 2077. Just some clothing (and not very good stats) that have the Witcher logo. And it's FPP so you don't see your clothes anyway. It's just fancy marketing -- "here's free stuff! It's shiny and sparkling! Completely useless, but it's free!" If it would be some bonus quest or something actually useful, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But it's cosmetics in Cyberpunk 2077. It's cool to have, but you don't miss anything if you don't have it. Exactly the type of bonus that I am ok with in this kind of marketing.
it doesnt matter what it worths to you , it is still a drmed part of the game
Posted January 12, 2021
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Time4Tea: If that's what you want to do, that's up to you. But i don't think it changes the point I was making - that you shouldn't be under any illusion that doing so is somehow helping the DRM-free movement. In fact, it's not even neutral. In buying from Steam, you are just further validating the developer's position that DRM is a-ok.
Thing is, they already believe that.....one extra person buying a game to confirm that doesn't change much...and the DRM free movement sadly isn't likely going to go far unless many more people get on board.

(i'd like to see it grow, btw....it's just I don't see that as likely atm)
Post edited January 12, 2021 by GamezRanker
Posted January 13, 2021
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Time4Tea: If that's what you want to do, that's up to you. But i don't think it changes the point I was making - that you shouldn't be under any illusion that doing so is somehow helping the DRM-free movement. In fact, it's not even neutral. In buying from Steam, you are just further validating the developer's position that DRM is a-ok.
you might be surprised at how much is drm-free on Steam, it's just not mentioned. Last game I got there was a simple exe file I can move anywhere and launch at my will. I wonder if there's even more DRM-free games there, given how huge is that store compared to GOG. You might have to make your own installer but at least it doesn't take ages to download.
Some games will never make it to GOG, because curation. But are DRM free on Steam. So...
Post edited January 13, 2021 by Dogmaus
Posted January 13, 2021
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Time4Tea: If that's what you want to do, that's up to you. But i don't think it changes the point I was making - that you shouldn't be under any illusion that doing so is somehow helping the DRM-free movement. In fact, it's not even neutral. In buying from Steam, you are just further validating the developer's position that DRM is a-ok.
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Dogmaus: you might be surprised at how much is drm-free on Steam, it's just not mentioned. Last game I got there was a simple exe file I can move anywhere and launch at my will. I wonder if there's even more DRM-free games there, given how huge is that store compared to GOG. You might have to make your own installer but at least it doesn't take ages to download.
Some games will never make it to GOG, because curation. But are DRM free on Steam. So...
But Steam is also bending the knee to China and is even creating a custom Steam app to conform to Chinese Censor laws.
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