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I didn't want to address that at all, because I am not interested in engaging with people seeking attention to derail a topic (which is a bot behaviour). I just want to asure others that I am not a bot. Obviously everyone can see I am here longer than him (which I can't hide for some reason - it can quite point out people's age and it's just another privacy violation) and for a bot, I engage on a topic talking about reasons why to boycott GOG and I am not trying to get into intellectual powergrab while I am just sitting on a high horse in every single message I create. I don't think hard to think at all, I share pure experiences here naturally.
And for a bot, I have even better reputation. Not like it means something here but it's a funny contrast.
If I would be a bot, I am obviously the more intelligent one here.
If I do weird sentences, it's common that american people don't understand that europian people tend to make different sentences, since europians often speak multiple languages, in spite of the fact that there is not that much native-english speaking countries in the EU. I don't expect the same as it's common that natively english speaking people don't speak other languages. I never studied english a bit. I learned it on the fly passively. I could talk in a few other languages better, maybe but we can't.
That is the last I will say about this. But I think others would get I am not a bot since this is so obvious to non-american (and non-british) people. Nothing against americans (and british) in a slightest, it's just common reaction from english speaking people that are used to all world speaking english and yet surprised it's different if it is, because they don't understand that to speak a different language, you have to construct sentences differently and to think differently and that is sometimes difficult to mimic to sound as a native speaker. Hence: "The more languages you know, the more you are a human". Just to clarify that I am not a bot.
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paladin181: ...
Holy shit. That's like the most coherent thought I've seen you translate to page, and it wasn't just "GOG sucks, you shouldn't buy here!" Awesome to know you can have a nuanced view of things. I want to talk to this apehater more often.

And I generally agree with you. I like Galaxy to an extent, but Playnite, Launchbox and Lutris (for the Linux folk) do virtually the same thing only better, and they don't break compatibility with old OSes for people who choose to use them. The only thing Galaxy does that those apps don't is allow for Achievements and time tracking, though playnite has time tracking in it if you start the game from it as a launcher. Ultimately, I wish they'd just leave all the Galaxy crap completely out of the offline installers. If I want to run Galaxy, I can figure out how to run it and install from there.
just to be clear, is your post serious or just supposed to be ironic and sarcastic?
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apehater: just to be clear, is your post serious or just supposed to be ironic and sarcastic?
100% serious. It's the first statement I've seen you make in years that wasn't just "GOG SUCKS!!!"

And, I wish they'd kept the offline installers offline, and let the people who want Galaxy to do their own thing.
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apehater: just to be clear, is your post serious or just supposed to be ironic and sarcastic?
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paladin181: 100% serious. It's the first statement I've seen you make in years that wasn't just "GOG SUCKS!!!"

And, I wish they'd kept the offline installers offline, and let the people who want Galaxy to do their own thing.
ok thanks. i'd had to ask since, well you know it. you're a gog forum veteran, too.

quote JMich: "... Truly, the GOG forums are an excellent place to educate yourself on how to speak (down) to people."

aside from that, there are (in many cases) also other reasons to just post "GOG suckz" and not get into pointless discussions by posting walls of text.
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apehater: ok thanks. i'd had to ask since, well you know it. you're a gog forum veteran, too.

quote JMich: "... Truly, the GOG forums are an excellent place to educate yourself on how to speak (down) to people."

aside from that, there are (in many cases) also other reasons to just post "GOG suckz" and not get into pointless discussions by posting walls of text.
I get that too. There are a lot of problems here that weren't here when we signed up. That's for sure. And while the winds of change are always blowing, and change isn't always bad, it seems like they just want to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again by trying to get more of the old school GOGers to leave. On the one hand, I think they'd love the opportunity to be able to push things out without so much complaints. On the other hand, old school GOGers spend a LOT of money here, in general, and they're hemorrhaging money like a wounded war victim.
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If it's talking down to me now (:D) I hate posting walls of text too, but I am actually talking about serious and real legal issues people don't talk about here, at all. I couldn't compress it more. I tried. I actually touched a lot in it that is why it goes like it does.

The most funny about it is that most of other replies from people here take sometimes even more space, as everyone copies all post "above" altogether with another posts replying to those posts to reply a one snarky word or something and this is how people communicate here. I at least put some information into the same space (even less) to be out there once and it can be skipped if people don't want to read it. But it's funny that people are not able to read a bit of text about the topic, but they copy and paste most of the text through couple of pages which takes most of the space here. All I am doing is skipping copies here and searching for an asnwer. Just saying. People really lost attention span. Maybe I didn't because I never used Twitter.

I just laugh when people complain about people talking about something like it's a waste of space while they copy half of the forum to point it out. I guess I never understood people on the forum. I just wanted to share it for interested people and I am going off, completely. I mean.. GOG.

It's true that debating is sometimes pointless. I just warned people publicly so others can see it (and that counts), because I am leaving. I already learned to just close doors if company doesn't respect me. I hope more people will do and we will have much less of problems with them because they will have to change to survive. True it hurts but sometimes it opens new possibilities in your own life.
The legal leverage of companies above customers needs to be leveled out, true.. It's a huge issue because people are scammed by the system. But I don't expect change anymore and act as such. I still hope a bit it could happen because people are generally getting more and more fed up and I see it but maybe I will not be even interested anymore by then... Let's let companies to have to even "try" to interest us again, I think we are "consuming" too much and too easily and I am just done with it. It took some time tho... But I am actually happier to reach that point.
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Ramor_: ...
I couldn't compress it more.
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they copy and paste most of the text through couple of pages which takes most of the space here.
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I just laugh when people complain about people talking about something like it's a waste of space while they copy half of the forum to point it out.
For what it's worth, yes, people have short attention spans in general, and the way to get a message through to most people is not to conserve space, but to dilute information density and make heavy use of typographical methods to break up your information into easy-to-digest chunks.
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apehater: i assume gog tried to make sure of this at least till 2010. after that, it increasingly degraded to a do it yourself solution. gog seems to have almost stopped using the money earned through old titles for ensuring that old games work out of the box and instead wastes it on galaxy and other nonsense.
This reminds me of some games I tried recently on Win 10:

Soldier of Fortune 2 - I needed to change the main exe name to Mohaa, to get it to run....else it wouldn't start.

Gabriel Knight 3 - After it crashed a few times, I had to tweak it a bit just to get it to the actual title screen/game play....and even then there were other issues(flickering textures) I needed to work on as well. It still crashes every now and then, so I don't start it much.

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gog did cut corners again, seems like they fired the people responsible for announcements. we now get very bare bones information in announcements. this looks like a bad omen to me. i guess bankruptcy is already around the corner.


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apehater: i assume gog tried to make sure of this at least till 2010. after that, it increasingly degraded to a do it yourself solution. gog seems to have almost stopped using the money earned through old titles for ensuring that old games work out of the box and instead wastes it on galaxy and other nonsense.
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GamezRanker: This reminds me of some games I tried recently on Win 10:

Soldier of Fortune 2 - I needed to change the main exe name to Mohaa, to get it to run....else it wouldn't start.

Gabriel Knight 3 - After it crashed a few times, I had to tweak it a bit just to get it to the actual title screen/game play....and even then there were other issues(flickering textures) I needed to work on as well. It still crashes every now and then, so I don't start it much.

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thats mainly why i'm boycotting gog. one gets at best half assed diy solutions for old games instead of out of the box working games. it starts with simple things like music loops not working (quake 2) and ends with unplayable (rage of mages 2). gog doesn't do sh#t about it and rather spends the money (earned through those games) on nonsense. the customer has always to solve the problem on its own. it feels like a scam.
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paladin181: ... There are a lot of problems here that weren't here when we signed up. ...
i think that all the problems were already there at least since 2010. it just got worse and more visible over time. and in the first years after i signed up, i was young and naive. i wanted to believe that it will get better soon and didn't want to see that gog already began to smell fishy.

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paladin181: ... And while the winds of change are always blowing, and change isn't always bad, it seems like they just want to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again by trying to get more of the old school GOGers to leave. ...
its hard to say if they wanted old school gogers to leave, maybe its more about make profit and get shareholders happy at any cost. but the result is, that old gogers leave.
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I really don't get the semantics argument some of you are making.

Time4Tea is not the "boycott president", he's just a GOG customer that started a thread to agglutinate people willing to boycott GOG for some (in my view) very valid reasons, and that has kindly maintained the OP ever since. What he considers to be a sufficient boycott has no bearing on the argument made herein. By the way, he said that he wouldn't buy anything in 2021, and as I understand he was consistent with his own goals, so the "hypocrisy" claims ring false.

I haven't spent a dime since I said I was sympathetic. But I wouldn't expect some religious "purity level" to join or stay on the list. Specially since the beginning of the thread it was clear that the degree of involvement was not clear-cut ("boycotting, to whatever degree they're comfortable with").

Don't get me wrong, I would rather have all (full) boycotters stick to a strict "no money transferred" policy, but if they don't really there's not much of a difference (and in any large enough group, you'd expect wildly varying levels of involvement, so this is a facile boycott-breaking non-argument). I think the important part is to air our grievances in a hopefully visible way (with maximum publicity impact) and, ideally, reduce GOG's income on a level that's perceptible by the beancounters and warrants a response (which is rather difficult).
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PirroEpirote: I really don't get the semantics argument some of you are making.

Time4Tea is not the "boycott president", he's just a GOG customer that started a thread to agglutinate people willing to boycott GOG for some (in my view) very valid reasons, and that has kindly maintained the OP ever since. What he considers to be a sufficient boycott has no bearing on the argument made herein. By the way, he said that he wouldn't buy anything in 2021, and as I understand he was consistent with his own goals, so the "hypocrisy" claims ring false.

I haven't spent a dime since I said I was sympathetic. But I wouldn't expect some religious "purity level" to join or stay on the list. Specially since the beginning of the thread it was clear that the degree of involvement was not clear-cut ("boycotting, to whatever degree they're comfortable with").

Don't get me wrong, I would rather have all (full) boycotters stick to a strict "no money transferred" policy, but if they don't really there's not much of a difference (and in any large enough group, you'd expect wildly varying levels of involvement, so this is a facile boycott-breaking non-argument). I think the important part is to air our grievances in a hopefully visible way (with maximum publicity impact) and, ideally, reduce GOG's income on a level that's perceptible by the beancounters and warrants a response (which is rather difficult).
Agreed
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Any minute now the brocott will bring GOG to it's knees and force it to acknowledge it's righteous fury.
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richlind33: Any minute now the brocott will bring GOG to it's knees and force it to acknowledge it's righteous fury.
Oh wait... half of them have probably already purchased at least one game in the past week. To justify their actions, they'll just engage in boycott attempt # 122.
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hum, i was not aware of this post but i already check with attention hidden DRM using comments and technical informations to select the games i want to buy also on that basis.

Due to this "mess" about DRM, i also have less bought this year than others...

I also see some langage pack only installed through galaxy and not included with offline installer. And that is also not fair. keeping an eye on GOG about DRM too...