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mastyer-kenobi: Thank you for the smug, arrogant, aggressive, and malignant series of attempted sarcasm. You're a hero bringing the conversation to a whole new level.
You are welcome anytime. Seeing how little it took you to use ad hominem in response to quite abstract message, I think I might have touched an itchy spot of truth here.

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mastyer-kenobi: I know I'm long-winded but at least I try not to just repeat the same thing over and over using a new series of self-righteous sarcasm.
I do not. While you, oh the irony, do,

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mastyer-kenobi: Just admit you're a blind purist who thinks the game Spore is a DRM because the user-created designs use a centralized server instead of file downloads like WarCraft 3.
Now you're ascribing to me something I did not say. Assuming much, huh?

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mastyer-kenobi: Smug is not a color that fits anyone. I recommend to everyone you make it very clear what you mean by DRM instead of this selfish and spiteful attacking GoG.
I recommend you to keep that instructive tone to your children. It is GOG whose job was to make the definitions clear.

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mastyer-kenobi: The amount of people using this kind of smug while defending Steam and Epic does not help this boycott.
Now you're implicitly ascribing to me defending Steam and Epic. Generalising much, huh?

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mastyer-kenobi: Anyone from GoG watching that shit would be wise to just ignore you, because you are a permanently lost customer.
So why didn't you follow this wisdom and did not just ignore my message?

It also turns out that your opinion does not matter if you don't pay. And if you pay, they already have your money and do not care anymore. Quite convenient, isn't it?

Look, dude, I am from Russia. I am used to see this kind of bs you're spitting around — like, A LOT. Sometimes it's called "agressive marketing", sometimes "damage control", sometimes, when it relates to personal relationships, it's "gaslighting", and sometimes just simply "propaganda". The common denominator is always the same: make bold assumptions about your opponent, generalise to make him look like a part of unpleasant crowd, belittle his opinion while speaking as if on behalf of the "reasonable majority", call his points out as emotional and never forget to keep your cape white and shiny.

So either you're doing it here on purpose, being a gog-bot, or you're doing it here on your own, being a troll for whatever reason. Either way, I won't bother to respond to you again: I'm not interested in raising this kind of engagement.
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beresk_let: Look, dude, I am from Russia. I am used to see this kind of bs you're spitting around — like, A LOT. Sometimes it's called "agressive marketing", sometimes "damage control", sometimes, when it relates to personal relationships, it's "gaslighting", and sometimes just simply "propaganda". The common denominator is always the same: make bold assumptions about your opponent, generalise to make him look like a part of unpleasant crowd, belittle his opinion while speaking as if on behalf of the "reasonable majority", call his points out as emotional and never forget to keep your cape white and shiny.

So either you're doing it here on purpose, being a gog-bot, or you're doing it here on your own, being a troll for whatever reason. Either way, I won't bother to respond to you again: I'm not interested in raising this kind of engagement.
There is a very simple term for it: ad-hominem. I.e. attacking and trying to undermine the credibility of someone you disagree with, rather than actually addressing the points they are making. It is a low form of debating technique, usually employed by those that don't have any rational arguments.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by Time4Tea
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Time4Tea: There is a very simple term for it: ad-hominem. I.e. attacking and trying to undermine the credibility of someone you disagree with, rather than actually addressing the points they are making. It is a low form of debating technique, usually employed by those that don't have any rational arguments.
That's right, and I used this term and the very beginning of my previous message =)
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beresk_let: You are welcome anytime. Seeing how little it took you to use ad hominem in response to quite abstract message, I think I might have touched an itchy spot of truth here.
Thank you for keeping and updating the list, by the way.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by beresk_let
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mastyer-kenobi: Apparently you are, you decided to insult me for it. so I will again ask, where will you go? My answer when asked of "what if ever game was DRM locked" was "I guess ill start reading books." and "well, time to emulate my old games." And once again, iof your answer is "I guess I'll go back to steam" then it's clear your issue isn't DRM
I've already made clear my issue. My issue isn't DRM, it's DRM on GOG. If GOG is going to carry DRM, then there's no reason not to go to a better store to get my DRM.

I am not above buying DRM games. I am against buying them here.
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paladin181: I've already made clear my issue. My issue isn't DRM, it's DRM on GOG. If GOG is going to carry DRM, then there's no reason not to go to a better store to get my DRM.

I am not above buying DRM games. I am against buying them here.
That's an interesting viewpoint (personally, I'm allergic to drm in something that is intuitively marketed as ownership, doesn't matter the provenance... I am simply not capable of stomaching the hypocrisy behind it).

What is your reasoning?
Post edited October 08, 2021 by Magnitus
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Magnitus: That's an interesting viewpoint (personally, I'm allergic to drm in something that is intuitively marketed as ownership, doesn't matter the provenance... I am simply not capable of stomaching the hypocrisy behind it).

What is your reasoning?
I prefer DRM free. I want to own my games. I like it. However, games are somewhat ephemeral to me. So getting a game I may never pick up again as a DRM game doesn't bother me, because I generally get games I feel I'll get my money's worth from. I'm very selective about games with DRM in them, and never buy them if there's a DRM free copy available (until recently). So while some people absolutely can't stomach DRM, I'm not one of those. It is a very heavy preference for me though.
... And just like that, my boycott was over. GOG has removed Hitman GOTY from the store until a better solution can be reached.

I'm still very sympathetic though and really one stupid move from GOG from going back on the list..
Post edited October 08, 2021 by paladin181
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paladin181: ... And just like that, my boycott was over. GOG has removed Hitman GOTY from the store until a better solution can be reached.

I'm still very sympathetic though and really one stupid move from GOG from going back on the list..
I think I really do need a public statement about the how they let it happen, how they're going to stop it from happening again, etc. And it should be its own thread, not buried in a thousand posts.
I can't respond to all the discussion but just wanted to say I for one admire Mastyer-Kenobi's passion for keeping DRM out of games. The fact remains a lot of us here are different in our perspectives on what matters to us, though I do wish a little more deference would be given to those of us taking a more hard line against DRM, as we don't have anywhere else to go in terms of major stores. I do recommend people supporting Zoom-Platform, but that is obviously not comparable with the amount of releases on GOG, yet.

Glad to see Hitman GOTY game is removed from the catalogue for now. Thanks for posting that paladin, you got in here with it before I could :) I would say be on the lookout for any other bizarre/anticonsumer stuff though until we get clarification on how that game ever got accepted in the first place.
Edit: In other words, this:

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mqstout: I think I really do need a public statement about the how they let it happen, how they're going to stop it from happening again, etc. And it should be its own thread, not buried in a thousand posts.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by rjbuffchix
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rjbuffchix: I do recommend people supporting Zoom-Platform, but that is obviously not comparable with the amount of releases on GOG, yet.
I know this is only relevant for a small minority, but just for the record, Zoom is also not really an option for Linux (and presumably Mac). We're kind of depending on GOG doing the right thing here.
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lolplatypus: I know this is only relevant for a small minority, but just for the record, Zoom is also not really an option for Linux (and presumably Mac). We're kind of depending on GOG doing the right thing here.
It is definitely very disappointing to realize in 2021, that - of all things - Linux doesn't get a good DRM-free store to buy games from. You have to choose between Steam (and swallow the DRM) and GOG (which doesn't even have a client for Linux to begin with).

It's no surprise to me that Zoom also is no game-changer when it comes to Linux support.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by SuccessDenied
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paladin181: ... And just like that, my boycott was over. GOG has removed Hitman GOTY from the store until a better solution can be reached.

I'm still very sympathetic though and really one stupid move from GOG from going back on the list..
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mqstout: I think I really do need a public statement about the how they let it happen, how they're going to stop it from happening again, etc. And it should be its own thread, not buried in a thousand posts.
What I noticed about GOGs communication is that there was no mentioning of the word "DRM" by GOG staff: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_hitman_game_of_the_year_edition_11093?staff=yes

In terms of honest communication with gamers (which GOG/CDP claims) this really should be addressed properly.

Edit: The honest communication is gone from GOG web page but it is still here: https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2021/07/en-cdpir-factsheet-07-2021-1.pdf
Maybe only CDPR still claims the "honest communication" now - not sure?
Edit 2: It also mentions GOG in the image so this isnt quite clear to me.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by Zrevnur
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paladin181: ... And just like that, my boycott was over. GOG has removed Hitman GOTY from the store until a better solution can be reached.

I'm still very sympathetic though and really one stupid move from GOG from going back on the list..
I think a celebration is in order! ;p

Please move me over to sympathetic, Time4Tea.

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paladin181: ... And just like that, my boycott was over. GOG has removed Hitman GOTY from the store until a better solution can be reached.

I'm still very sympathetic though and really one stupid move from GOG from going back on the list..
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mqstout: I think I really do need a public statement about the how they let it happen, how they're going to stop it from happening again, etc. And it should be its own thread, not buried in a thousand posts.
I'd like to see that, too, but I think it will take time. That's my long-term goal, here.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by richlind33
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lolplatypus: I know this is only relevant for a small minority, but just for the record, Zoom is also not really an option for Linux (and presumably Mac). We're kind of depending on GOG doing the right thing here.
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SuccessDenied: It is definitely very disappointing to realize in 2021, that - of all things - Linux doesn't get a good DRM-free store to buy games from. You have to choose between Steam (and swallow the DRM) and GOG (which doesn't even have a client for Linux to begin with).

It's no surprise to me that Zoom also is no game-changer when it comes to Linux support.
There's itch.io which:
* Has its own client (though it's optional)
* Supports Linux in the client
* Has a lot of indie games, including a few major ones that aren't on GOG (Celeste comes to mind)
* Also has a lot of games that would not get past GOG curation (this includes things like game jam submissions)

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paladin181: However, games are somewhat ephemeral to me.
This is one thing where I am not like you. To me, games are something that I might replay decades after their original release, and hence I like to obtain them in a format that won't become unusable decades down the road.
Post edited October 08, 2021 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: There's itch.io which:
* Has its own client (though it's optional)
* Supports Linux in the client
* Has a lot of indie games, including a few major ones that aren't on GOG (Celeste comes to mind)
* Also has a lot of games that would not get past GOG curation (this includes things like game jam submissions)

This is one thing where I am not like you. To me, games are something that I might replay decades after their original release, and hence I like to obtain them in a format that won't become unusable decades down the road.
I like to obtain them as such as well. However, It is not a deal breaker for me ultimately if I can't. But I boycotted GOG because they wanted to take away muh DRM-Free. And I realized I care about it a lot more than I initially thought.