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General discussionBoycotting DRM and Game Censorship on GOG, 2021-2022(5216 posts) (5216 posts) 
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Posted October 01, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: Cyberpunk is not technically “drm” either, it is online gating. Anything which takes control out of the users hands is a control mechanism...Online gated content is locked behind an internet wall which may or may not be there in the future...
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AstralWanderer: This is where the "DRM definition" runs into a problem - how would you classify a single-player game that can be installed and played to completion without any online connection - but with extra features offered when connected?

Hitman GOTY seems to take this to a high level with what many consider to be significant features reliant on online access. However other games provide extras like online journals (Dragon Age Origins), achievements or forum badges that have little or no gameplay significance. And then there are those like Tales of Maj'Eyal that offer cosmetics or in-game special events reliant on an online account (the free version of the game requires a network connection, the GOG version can be played without). Where does one draw the line here?
I think there's a solution for that. Clearly reveal all this information on the game page and let people decide by themselves where they each draw the line. Ideally, also add filters that allow customers to hide games with certain features (e.g. cosmetic online-gated, minor online-gated, major online-gated, multiplayer online-gated, etc.).

It's not too different from system requirements (e.g. some people draw their line at 4GB RAM because that's what their PC has) or age ratings (some people draw their at PEGI 16 because they don't want games with adult themes).
Post edited October 01, 2021 by mrkgnao
Posted October 01, 2021
I'm in for the boycott, Tea4Two -- if you'll have me.
Posted October 01, 2021
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richlind33: I'm in for the boycott, Tea4Two -- if you'll have me.
Welcome aboard.
Posted October 02, 2021
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richlind33: I'm in for the boycott, Tea4Two -- if you'll have me.
Sad to see you here, like I am everyone else. But we have to try to stand for something.
Posted October 02, 2021
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Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years? It's pretty clear to me this guy has NO skin in the DRM-free game unlike those who have amassed hundreds or even a couple thousand games in the library. And he's also a shill for Zoom Platform. Seriously cannot go 5 posts without him mentioning Zoom. Let's be honest, Time4Tea is only here to bring a company down to its knees to satisfy HIS own ego.

Time to fight you crazies with my own crazies because there's really no winning with you people.
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years?
Led? What do you mean led?

We don't have a leader! We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune! We're taking turns to act as a sort of list-maintainer for the year. But all the decisions of that maintainer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting. By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major GOG cock-ups.

If you think that Time4Tea is in some way anything more than a maintainer of this thread and a boycotter in his own right, you may want to reread the thread again (not just the first post).

And I don't judge people by the size of their libraries.
Post edited October 02, 2021 by mrkgnao
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years?
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mrkgnao: Led? What do you mean led?

We don't have a leader! We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune! We're taking turns to act as a sort of list-maintainer for the year. But all the decisions of that maintainer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting. By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major GOG cock-ups.

If you think that Time4Tea is in some way anything more than a maintainer of this thread and a boycotter in his own right, you may want to reread the thread again (not just the first post).

And I don't judge people by the size of their libraries.
Put a dollar in the monty python jar
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: ...unlike those who have amassed hundreds or even a couple thousand games in the library....
And exactly how many games have you amassed in your 15 months here then?

The reality is that there has been an increasing undercurrent of discontent with GOG, as shown by numerous previous "boycott" threads - examples:

Why I WILL leave GoG
RIP DRM-free GOG (*2008 †2020)
GOG Has Lost Its Value Proposition, Original Mission and Market Niche
Is GOG worth giving up on soon or.... ?

However GOG's duplicity with Devotion and the recent furore with Hitman GOTY have provided extra fuel to encourage more united action.
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BroscienceEngineer: Time to fight you crazies with my own crazies because there's really no winning with you people.
Go ahead - you won't be the first, and it keeps this thread on the front page. However if you had any "skin in the game" yourself, you'd be just as concerned about GOG's direction as we are.
Post edited October 02, 2021 by AstralWanderer
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years?
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mrkgnao: Led? What do you mean led?

We don't have a leader! We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune! We're taking turns to act as a sort of list-maintainer for the year. But all the decisions of that maintainer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting. By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major GOG cock-ups.

If you think that Time4Tea is in some way anything more than a maintainer of this thread and a boycotter in his own right, you may want to reread the thread again (not just the first post).

And I don't judge people by the size of their libraries.
Time4Tea? oops.

Hey Bro, try not to go full retard. Thanks in advance.
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain?
Yeah, I've got one in the fridge.
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years? It's pretty clear to me this guy has NO skin in the DRM-free game unlike those who have amassed hundreds or even a couple thousand games in the library. And he's also a shill for Zoom Platform. Seriously cannot go 5 posts without him mentioning Zoom. Let's be honest, Time4Tea is only here to bring a company down to its knees to satisfy HIS own ego.

Time to fight you crazies with my own crazies because there's really no winning with you people.
Well, If that is true then in the economic perspective for GOG this specfific user's boycott shouldn't be a big loss, but I guess that the point of this thread is more about boycotting the GOG corporate image, and in that regard, probably they are more lucky. At least in the own GOG forum.

Anyway everyone boycott for different reasons some of them incompatible between them, and apparently GOG should accept some demands and the contraries for the boycott to end. Yes, all of this It is a bit weird.
Posted October 02, 2021
I just noted (not sure it’s been mentioned) another tactic by companies to force online:
https://www.gog.com/forum/scythe_digital_edition/fyi_popups_in_v1706_for_asmodeenet_account_newsletter

Seems like there is nothing GOG will not allow through the door.
Posted October 02, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: I just noted (not sure it’s been mentioned) another tactic by companies to force online:
https://www.gog.com/forum/scythe_digital_edition/fyi_popups_in_v1706_for_asmodeenet_account_newsletter

Seems like there is nothing GOG will not allow through the door.
Well, unless it's from Taiwan...
Posted October 02, 2021
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BroscienceEngineer: Anyone here with a critical brain? Why are these boycotters being led around by a guy with 40 games in the past 6 years? It's pretty clear to me this guy has NO skin in the DRM-free game unlike those who have amassed hundreds or even a couple thousand games in the library. And he's also a shill for Zoom Platform. Seriously cannot go 5 posts without him mentioning Zoom. Let's be honest, Time4Tea is only here to bring a company down to its knees to satisfy HIS own ego.

Time to fight you crazies with my own crazies because there's really no winning with you people.
Led? The only thing Time4Tea led in here is chronology. No, he wasn't the first to boycott GOG, but his thread was the most prominent when most of the rest of us decided to do so. There are some things he wants that I don't care that much about, and likewise, my methods of boycott (buying games on DRM platforms that I would have bought here, posting receipts) probably rubs a lot of the people here the wrong way. We all have our own breaking points and our own conditions for leaving. This isn't some unionized strike or protest. This is a club anyone is welcome to join or leave at any time for any reason. I never even looked at Time4Tea's library (though I find it funny that someone who wants to get into a digital dick measuring contest hides his own e-phallus) because the only time someone's library size is even a curiosity to me is when they want to denigrate other users for their own lack of substantial library.

I'm a perfectly reasonable guy most of the time, so when you decide to lump "all [us] crazies" in together when I've never once seen you try to carry a discussion with ANY of us "crazies" makes me wonder what YOUR agenda is. So talk. Tell me about your gigantic library and why it should make me listen to you, and what it is I should listen to you about. I actually enjoy discussing my thoughts and explaining my reasoning to people.
Posted October 02, 2021
Hey Time4Tea add me to the list,please.

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