Agreed on every single word (except the list of must-haves being different, of course)


@Time4Tea I understand that the Hitman blow to DRM-freedom deserves a mention in the first post of this thread, don't you agree?

I think it's a given that each of us is boycotting in their own way, and it is not for any of us to judge someone else's approach.

For example, I myself can't think of any game released here that will lead me to break my boycott (not even Lemmings), but I am still unsure what I will do when the Secret Santa event comes around this year, as it is one of the few fond traditions I associate with GOG that is still around (unlike, for example, _Slaugh_'s magnificent giveaways, which I sorely miss, or the lovely "thank you" threads).

Great stuff. This reminds me of another point...obviously too we are all individuals but it seems to me that the giveaways tend to be run by the more old-school type of folks, not by the newer "DRM-tolerant" audience that GOG arguably bends over backwards to attract. In other words not only do some of the "purist" "zealot" "idealists" who in such an "entitled" fashion demand better from GOG buy many games themselves, but they also buy for others. Or, did at one point.

Yes. I love philanthropy. However, I also have moral conundrums about Secret Santa. I usually put $30-$50 to someone's wish list. It's hard to punish someone for GOG's sins, so I'll probably make an exception for that.

I would like to be moved to the sympathetic list, as I am no longer sure about fully boycotting the store. Over the past few days I've read various opinions and arguments from various users. Granted, I will not spend a single cent here until the whole Hitman situation becomes clear, but I might buy games that are DRM-free here in the future. I might have made the decision to boycott in the heat of the moment. Gotta wait and see and approach the whole thing with a more level head.

Sure, just make sure you read all the comments. It’s not just hitman, cyberpunk, absolver, gwent, Witcher adventure game, there are others but I can’t think right now. It’s not just this one, all offline installers now contain parts of galaxy, and are created in a galaxy way (not just an installer). Just be sure to not trust a single word gog say.

it doesn't matter if its multi, its drm. there can be an offline if they wanted to.

How....it's an online game. This isn't a simple 2-d fighter where it's possible(though hard) to make working AI. This is like saying warframe need be offline when player trading forces items to be validated to avoid obliterating the economy. Maybe if it were single player ONLY but even then the A.I. would need to keep up with meta and cards games in a TCG would need to be validated to make card values remain in this online game. In what universe does a competitive multiplayer TCG not need an online component?

Look if you hate MMOs then fine, but please dont pretend that an MMO game requiring an online validation is anything approaching what is in Hitman of Cyberpunk.

I didnt compare hitman to gwent, gwent is drm by fault like mmo games.

You put it in a list next to Cyberpunk and Hitman, games with actual DRM(as has been discussed elsewhere). You are absolutely equating them as all the same. And you're original reaponce was to make, saying MMO games should not be equated to DRM. We should make a distinction and not put FF14 next to Hitman. So no, this is an attempt to equate.

You have also been one of the people saying DRM of any kind is unacceptable, and are not saying even online competitive gives are given no exception, which you admitted in your first response. So no, you need to either seriously re-compose your thoughts, if you're outright saying even multiplayer centric games like Gwent need to have full offline support.

My main point is gwent or any mmo is drm by default due to it's online only nature.

Okay, I'm going to bring this back to point. If you're going to apply the exact same term and listing to an online game, a multiplayer framework which only functions at all with online support, to a singleplayer game like Hitman or Cyberpunk, then you -are- equating them. You have to find some attempt to categorize them differently. The OP that started this chain was saying that the thing happening in Hitman, has been happening for a while and used GWENT as one of the examples. That is false equivalence. And if you refuse to make any kind of distinction, if you say all DRM is bad and -any- and -all- online requirements, even ones needed for the framework of the game to function, you are committing false equivalence.

I do apologize for coming off a bit hot, but therein lies my reasoning. The way you spoke, you definitely defended the false equivalence. If that wasn't the intent due to a desire to put MMOs in the DRM party then so be it, but know the implications your giving by not making that distinction. If you aren't even willing to give it a name, you are putting it in the same list.

They literally did this. The game is called Thronebreaker.

Okay I looked it up....no. Thronebreaker is an RPG rouguelike using Gwent as a battle mechanic. The means by which you get cards, manage scenarios, challenge opponents, and build your deck is nothing even approaching Gwent. It be like comparing Slaying the Spire to Magic The Gathering. Even if Spire used MtG as it's combat system it wouldn't be the same game, not even close.

My point stands, there are games that need an online connection to function as designed. Team Fortress 2, Gwent, Guild Wars 2, and so on. If you're going to equate them to what's going on with Hitman and Cyberpunk on the basis you refuse to even attempt to make a distinction, then I am going to call that crap. Offline variants to a game is not the same as the actual game.