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Lifthrasil: Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.
Same here.
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havent bought a game in ageeeeeeeeeees. i mean... i havent been on here at all
im not boycottin' but regardless teh end result is teh same, right

when peggle arrives, then—then—we talk
If this sale was 8 months ago, I'd be nearing 200 BRL of purchases (around 100 USD by Valve's, and probably GOG's, fair pricing policy). Now I'm on the fence about 50 BRL (~25 USD) worth of products, where 1 I fear that might get delisted (Aquaria, since the main dev died and it didn't have a sale in the past year or so), 1 I'm really interested in, and 1 that I'll probably drop from buying.
Post edited June 10, 2021 by _Auster_
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Lifthrasil: Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.
Are you not buying anywhere else?
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Lifthrasil: Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.
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tfishell: Are you not buying anywhere else?
Yes, I am. On zoom-platform.
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Lifthrasil: Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.
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tfishell: Are you not buying anywhere else?
Lifthrasil likely only meant specificly his GOG wishlist.

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mrkgnao: I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.
I'm honestly internally debating starting to keep track of this kind of debacle myself.
Last thing I bought here was Deus Ex: HR after it's release...

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Lifthrasil: Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.
Well, I guess I'm in the same predicament as you.
If it wouldn't be for the fact that I am quite displeased with GOG's actions and attitude I would have probably bit the bullet and bought at least Sleeping Dogs right after seeing it even tho I already own it on Steam...
Tbh, I have more games on Steam than here, it's undeniable fact, and it's a given due to verious legit reasons (betas might be one).
Despite that fact I used to make an effort to duplicate my library here when things got released here.
Examples being:
Merto 2033 & LL redux,
Crysis 1 (owned on Origin),
All Hitman games (I am still sassy about the lack of Sniper Challange),
Bioshock games.

But after I started boycotting (which I did start long before this thread showed up) I basically indefinitely postponed my plans of duplicating my Steam library here for the sole sake of having related titles DRM-free.
So, my plans to duplicate for example:
whole Dishonored series,
Prey with all DLC,
whole Evil Within series,
among others,
will wait, and may never happen if GOG does not change their attitude and the path they are currently taking.

I deeply care about DRM-free, to the point of spending here money in the past to duplicate things JUST for the sake of having those DRM-free even when in not-so-great RL financial situation.
But I want to avoid personal self disgust of realisation of spending money on a platform whom actions I heavily disapprove of, so I will therefore postpne my purchase plans indefinitely.
Oh well, I guess the "what if" list of "planned canceled" purchases will grow even larger for me with time.
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tfishell: Are you not buying anywhere else?
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B1tF1ghter: Lifthrasil likely only meant specificly his GOG wishlist.

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mrkgnao: I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.
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B1tF1ghter: I'm honestly internally debating starting to keep track of this kind of debacle myself.
Last thing I bought here was Deus Ex: HR after it's release...

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Lifthrasil: Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.
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B1tF1ghter: Well, I guess I'm in the same predicament as you.
If it wouldn't be for the fact that I am quite displeased with GOG's actions and attitude I would have probably bit the bullet and bought at least Sleeping Dogs right after seeing it even tho I already own it on Steam...
Tbh, I have more games on Steam than here, it's undeniable fact, and it's a given due to verious legit reasons (betas might be one).
Despite that fact I used to make an effort to duplicate my library here when things got released here.
Examples being:
Merto 2033 & LL redux,
Crysis 1 (owned on Origin),
All Hitman games (I am still sassy about the lack of Sniper Challange),
Bioshock games.

But after I started boycotting (which I did start long before this thread showed up) I basically indefinitely postponed my plans of duplicating my Steam library here for the sole sake of having related titles DRM-free.
So, my plans to duplicate for example:
whole Dishonored series,
Prey with all DLC,
whole Evil Within series,
among others,
will wait, and may never happen if GOG does not change their attitude and the path they are currently taking.

I deeply care about DRM-free, to the point of spending here money in the past to duplicate things JUST for the sake of having those DRM-free even when in not-so-great RL financial situation.
But I want to avoid personal self disgust of realisation of spending money on a platform whom actions I heavily disapprove of, so I will therefore postpne my purchase plans indefinitely.
Oh well, I guess the "what if" list of "planned canceled" purchases will grow even larger for me with time.
It will, my wish list has increased some 100 titles over the last 8 months at least probably more.
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anizawa: You mentioned those sites have changed because of DRM. But really, it can be a lot of factors. But if you want to see and keep that site alive they need support. And a boycott pretty much doesn't help at all. It promotes a negative impact to the site and can affect the sales too. And in turn, they will more likely end up trying what most fear the most which is change their brand to the "cheaper" way and be a more similar clone to it's competitors.
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dtgreene: DRM is not something I can ethically support, so once a site encourages and/or provides DRM, at that point I can no longer ethically support such a site.
+1 to this. To all this stuff about: "well, as long as they clearly mark which games are DRMed and which are not, it's ok right?" .... NO. The reason I (and possibly others) were shopping at GOG in the first place is because I view DRM as an unethical practice, and I am not willing to support a game store that engages in or supports unethical practices. It's exactly the same with the Devotion issue and these calls of: "well, surely it makes sense that GOG don't want to lose the Chinese market?". No, the economics are irrelevant. GOG's actions around Devotion were unethical and I for one am not going to continue to support them if they are going to act unethically.

It's a similar situation to a grocery store that started out selling only vegetarian products. Then, a few years down the line, they decide to allow a handful of products that contain meat. "But it's only a small handful of meat products, surely that is ok isn't it?". No, most likely not to the many customers who were patronizing that store because it was 100% vegetarian. They would be perfectly justified in taking their business elsewhere.

I do not care about economics, that is not what this is about. It is about ethics and I don't believe that ethics should be for sale.
Besides, let's not forget an important practical issue that has been mentioned several times: GOG allowing any DRMed games on it's store at all immediately weakens the DRM-free movement, since then developers will know they can access GOG's customer base with DRMed games and there is less incentive to release DRM-free. That incentive is lost with the very first DRMed game to appear on GOG.com.
Post edited June 12, 2021 by Time4Tea
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Time4Tea: Besides, let's not forget an important practical issue that has been mentioned several times: GOG allowing any DRMed games on it's store at all immediately weakens the DRM-free movement, since then developers will know they can access GOG's customer base with DRMed games and there is less incentive to release DRM-free. That incentive is lost with the very first DRMed game to appear on GOG.com.
Once the precedent has been set... expect more of the same in the future.
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dtgreene: DRM is not something I can ethically support, so once a site encourages and/or provides DRM, at that point I can no longer ethically support such a site.
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Time4Tea: +1 to this. To all this stuff about: "well, as long as they clearly mark which games are DRMed and which are not, it's ok right?" .... NO. The reason I (and possibly others) were shopping at GOG in the first place is because I view DRM as an unethical practice, and I am not willing to support a game store that engages in or supports unethical practices. It's exactly the same with the Devotion issue and these calls of: "well, surely it makes sense that GOG don't want to lose the Chinese market?". No, the economics are irrelevant. GOG's actions around Devotion were unethical and I for one am not going to continue to support them if they are going to act unethically.

It's a similar situation to a grocery store that started out selling only vegetarian products. Then, a few years down the line, they decide to allow a handful of products that contain meat. "But it's only a small handful of meat products, surely that is ok isn't it?". No, most likely not to the many customers who were patronizing that store because it was 100% vegetarian. They would be perfectly justified in taking their business elsewhere.

I do not care about economics, that is not what this is about. It is about ethics and I don't believe that ethics should be for sale.
In some cases, I might be willing to buy from a store that offers DRM encumbered games, but with a few restrictions:
* The DRM-encumbered games must be extremely rare on the site, and not somebody casually browsing is particularly likely to encounter.
* The store must not encourage or provide DRM; in fact, it's preferred if the store (and/or its community) discourages it.
* There must not be situations where buying a bundle with DRM-free games requires getting DRM-encumbered games along with it.
* And, of course, any DRM encumbered game is not a game that I will get.

In other words, I'm willing to buy from a place like itch.io, but not from a place like Humble Bundle (though I would have made an exception for Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls if it hadn't been released on GOG, but probably only for that game), and definitely not from a place like steam (where I won't buy the game even if it's actually DRM-free, because steam gets a cut and that company actively provides and encourages DRM).

My current situation is this:
* itch.io is currently my preferred place to get games, if they're available there and not inferior to the GOG version.
* I do still buy from GOG for games I want that aren't on itch.io (in other words, I'm not part of the boycott)
* Haven't bought anything (digital) from anywhere else, excluding some old Humble Bundle purchases back when they were still DRM-free.
* Note that, given two versions that are identical except that one provides a Steam key in addition to both inlcluding the DRM-free version, I consider the one without the key to be the superior version of the game. (In other words, the Steam key has negative value for me.)

(So far, not counting games in the two big bundles, the only games available on GOG that I've bought on itch.io are Alwa's Awakening and Alwa's Legacy.)
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B1tF1ghter: Maybe the move from DRM-free is not bothering YOU personally, but GOG user veterans here can easily see this sudden departure as the beginning of the end for this platform.
Absolutely. I've been a GOG customer exclusively for years. But recent decisions made by GOG management have changed that. As my rights to gaming freedom are eroded, so is my loyalty to GOG. I'm already looking for alternatives, but have not yet spent any money. Like the BBC and the disgusting mess they made of Dr Who and Top Gear, GOG is making mistakes that will cost them dearly.

I recently installed this firewall. I was amazed to find out how many windows processes were secretly chatting to remote servers. And I was also shocked to find that so called DRM-Free games purchased here were also connecting to unknown sites for unknown reasons. I suggest you try it.
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B1tF1ghter: Maybe the move from DRM-free is not bothering YOU personally, but GOG user veterans here can easily see this sudden departure as the beginning of the end for this platform.
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borisburke: Absolutely. I've been a GOG customer exclusively for years. But recent decisions made by GOG management have changed that. As my rights to gaming freedom are eroded, so is my loyalty to GOG. I'm already looking for alternatives, but have not yet spent any money.
I am not aware of any currently alive platform that has comparable catalouge size while retaining DRM-free across ENTIRE said catalouge.
Playism was a great thing, tho it had a limited scope of catalouge (due to limited specialized scope of the platform itself) but it's unfortunatelly dead right now :/

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borisburke: I recently installed this firewall. I was amazed to find out how many windows processes were secretly chatting to remote servers. And I was also shocked to find that so called DRM-Free games purchased here were also connecting to unknown sites for unknown reasons. I suggest you try it.
I use *NIX (mostly Linux) so I can debug and sniff to my hearts content (including network devices running *NIX) ;)

Windows-wise:
enjoy your journey (as this seems new to you? The packet tracing/sniffing/inspection/layer-7-activity that is), you may discover some interesting/disturbing things on your way.
Software-wise you can go much further than that, but you don't allow PMs on GOG and I don't exactly want to off-top hard so I won't recommend any here.
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Time4Tea: Besides, let's not forget an important practical issue that has been mentioned several times: GOG allowing any DRMed games on it's store at all immediately weakens the DRM-free movement, since then developers will know they can access GOG's customer base with DRMed games and there is less incentive to release DRM-free. That incentive is lost with the very first DRMed game to appear on GOG.com.
Considering adding I to the list of boycotts.
In addition to everything else it looks like PR and community staff have been are following in Konrads footsteps*.
Did anyone get fired for the Devotion nonsense?



* https://archive.vn/TftQH
https://archive.vn/OZr2A
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B1tF1ghter: Maybe the move from DRM-free is not bothering YOU personally, but GOG user veterans here can easily see this sudden departure as the beginning of the end for this platform.
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borisburke: Absolutely. I've been a GOG customer exclusively for years. But recent decisions made by GOG management have changed that. As my rights to gaming freedom are eroded, so is my loyalty to GOG. I'm already looking for alternatives, but have not yet spent any money. Like the BBC and the disgusting mess they made of Dr Who and Top Gear, GOG is making mistakes that will cost them dearly.

I recently installed this firewall. I was amazed to find out how many windows processes were secretly chatting to remote servers. And I was also shocked to find that so called DRM-Free games purchased here were also connecting to unknown sites for unknown reasons. I suggest you try it.
At what point was it connecting to unknown sites?