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I do see the gripe you people have with the "DRM-free" though and recently, I do see that they don't wag that "DRM-free" as they used to. Do I miss seeing all the games in this site as "DRM-free" yeah I do remember those days and it was very unique to see. Well, my goal wasn't really to change your minds, but to try and explain what I can on why they are doing this.

What can I say? Would a boycott actually help change their mind? I don't think so. Would it get noticed at least? Oh you bet it would, and depending if it got out to the point that the news outlets are talking about it. They'll have to address it and maybe we will get those disclaimer tags. Because I can definitely say that if these triple A games keep producing those kinds of games. (And pretty sure they will since most consoles are already going digital.) GOG has no choice but to host what they can while maintaining that image.

Heck, I'm just glad I'm not that into most triple A titles to bother with it. But to be honest, I wonder why you people just didn't promote boycotting those DRM games rather than GOG? I think that'll at least make some sense to the others and rally more to your cause.

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nightcraw1er.488: Oh, to add, my problem is not just this devotion, or the addition of gwent, it’s is many things. Mostly detailed in other threads like:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/provide_a_full_and_complete_changelogged_download_system
Lack of decent compression, lack of patches, changelogs. Broken website, forum. The list goes on. None of which has ever been addressed, and like this thread isn’t even acknowledged.
and this one? Yeah. this one I can understand your issues definitely. I can think of a lot of reasons, but the most common would be: lack of manpower, communication or a really bad reporting format.
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anizawa: You mentioned those sites have changed because of DRM. But really, it can be a lot of factors. But if you want to see and keep that site alive they need support. And a boycott pretty much doesn't help at all. It promotes a negative impact to the site and can affect the sales too. And in turn, they will more likely end up trying what most fear the most which is change their brand to the "cheaper" way and be a more similar clone to it's competitors.
DRM is not something I can ethically support, so once a site encourages and/or provides DRM, at that point I can no longer ethically support such a site.
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anizawa: And it's why I recommended a clear disclaimer and change it for those with DRM. Most of them aren't actually under their control and they can't exactly remove them on the fly.
First of all, if you cannot even be bothered to quote the people you are responding to, even a mere stub quote for the sake of ALLOWING SAID PEOPLE TO GET PERSONAL NOTIFICATION, then don't expect anyone here to treat you seriously - you will get delayed responses or none at all.

You are being ignorant or you lack of understanding.
As a store you can do EVERYTHING.
It is ENTIRELY in control of GOG if they keep titles with DRM in their catalouge if they wound up introducing said DRMs.
In fact GOG has history of removing titles from the store on this very merit.

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anizawa: And you can't very well not add the "Flavor of the month" to your library, Especially for triple A titles. You risk losing new people joining and purchases in favor of your competitors.
You risk NOTHING. You don't loose anything.
The only thing you loose on is POTENTIAL *unguaranteed* sales.
A POTENTIAL for sales, NOT guarantee of it.

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anizawa: Also I am a said veteran member of GOG (April 2012).
Oh, so you think supposed account age has ANYTHING to do with platform presense? Do you think this number consitutes ANYTHING in regards to knowledge about ins and outs as well as what was happening with this platform throughout the years?
That number means ONLY ONE THING:
when you registered THAT PARTICULAR account of yours. NOTHING else.
Don't EVER bring this point again as it has NOTHING to do with any sort of "platform knowledge".
Also, you still have "new user" tag and according to certain other thread's OP research you are not very active on the forums.
So what are you even trying to say here?
Just stop before someone with bigger gripe of that "account age trope" shows up.

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anizawa: The bad? I would like to ask how many DRM titles are there in this platform compared to the non-DRM?
Even just 1 is 1 to many.
It's a slap in the face from GOG who boasted about their glorious "NO DRM, NO EXCEPTIONS" rule.
If it's not bothering YOU - so be it, not our problem - but it is by no means a valid excuse for the actions of this platform.
Stop implying that's not a problem just because it's not a problem for YOU.

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anizawa: I'm not particularly worried since the games I am getting are pretty much DRM-free and that's it. I get what I paid for. Does it ruin my image of GOG? No.
If it's not bothering you then why are you even in this thread?
Did you by "any chance" make a quick glance over "general forum" for a "mildly popular thread" to artificially gain quick "forum exposure" neccessary for "certain thing elsewhere"?

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anizawa: Actually, if you consider their actions as to why they banned "Devotion" it is pretty clear.
So then you DO understand that GOG "banned" what is essentially NOT uncut version of the game and it was heavily implied it already had trimmed out "the content" by the time it was supposed to be released on GOG?
You also DO know that a product card on GOG was live for several hours for this game, correct?

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anizawa: They do want to tap that market in the future. Or at least, there have been ways to get GOG there illegal or otherwise.
So you're implying that anti-consumer practise (actually also anti-developer considering that you cannot have product card live in the store before signing a contract with dev/publisher first which means GOG broke already signed contract) can be an excuse for "illegal market presence" as you cited?
That's interesting attitude to say the least...

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anizawa: Would CD Project do it at the risk of their established fanbase?
Don't confuse "fanbase" with "userbase" as those are 2 ENTIRELY different terms desribing different phenomenons.

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anizawa: And yes, I haven't forgotten about the "special permits" (it's basically the "play nice" part.
Except you are mistaken.
"Play nice" is a shadow rule of the west.
"PLAY BY THE RULES, or YOU'RE OUT, no second chances" is an official governed rulebook of the country in question.

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anizawa: I should know, being close proximity to the giant. I have seen more shenanigans that they've been doing than most of you outside our region)
Hold on a sec. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE telling people on the internet A.Where they reside in B.Their implied life experience, ?
Do you think the forum country tag means ANYTHING?
NO. It's hand picked user-controllable text, anyone can pick ANY for ANY reason whenever they want.
It also has literally NO connection with user's in question travel history and life experiences.
You are, once again, pushing a line here.
Don't jump to arbitrary conclusions about random people on the internet based on what is insufficient data even in the best case scenario.

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anizawa: I mean really, what other reason would there have been for GOG to suddenly back out? If they were the only ones who hosted "Devotion".
"Only"?
What? Like AT THAT MOMENT?
Sure.
In world history?
No.
Steam had it, and let me remind everone that it was not Valve who pulled it from the store just the developers themselves. You can find official statement pinned on steam forum (I don't fancy digging it out now, I have posted it here several times by now).
Also, what was on Steam was UNCUT version, whereas GOG was supposedely blocking the CUT one.
It's in NO WAY comparable situation.

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anizawa: It would be massive profits and publicity. And they willingly backed out of it. That is saying something.
It's saying "we don't care about breaking already signed contracts".

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anizawa: Also these "risk taking" have been going on for a lot of companies even before these. To them, it is the more profitable route. Would they crash and burn? Who can say?
History?
Name even just ONE company who went that EXACT same route, BOASTING about their "DRM-free purity" to the point of publicly mocking competition on the internet, then decided to burn their rule and gone rouge, and then they survived and are still alive.
Can you name just ONE?
Because someone probably can name you same exact except for "surviving" part.

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anizawa: Do you know what they say is the most commonly used business language? I hear it's not English at all. It's Cantonese.
I don't know who "they" are as "they" are incorrect unless "they" are taking into account only a subset of ZA WARUDO.

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anizawa: And me referencing Winnie the Pooh is pretty much about "that communist leader". I was just having fun with the image since we oh so love to mock them with it as well.
And here is where you pushed a line too far.
There is no "WE" in this.
What you wrote is a plain political statement, also admission in some people's eyes.
You have NO basis to represent ANYONE in this but yourself.
You cannot speak for others in this regard. So DON'T.
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Huh... Ok so pretty sure you don't understand what the "we" is. For one thing. I am talking about pretty much a good chunk of people in my nation. Not both of us, "we" nor the "we" in general in our region. but me and a good majority of us here that I know who are mocking them. That "we" alright? You pretty much assumed that I am talking about everyone. I am fully aware of how divided we are right now and how different one's opinion is with the issue and no I am not the type of person to "assume" something without giving it some thought.

Geez, I'm not here to piss you off. Ease up a little.

They've been pretty much trying to own South China Sea and taking over territories here. So we do mock them from time to time. (Heck, they got a chunk of Australia too)

I entered this thread for a simple exchange of discussion and you suddenly went all arms at me. Look, it is pretty possible to change any opinion if it is done with in a decent tone. I had at least been conversing normally with the others and yeah I at least have considered the changes now based on the exchange. Compared to before and thinking what will happen if they do end up fully like their competitors. So yeah. With this aggression that you are showing, I'm pretty much unwelcome here.

I'm sorry if it did feel like I am trying to be aggressive or anything. And I did end up being indirect which lead to some misinterpretations and assumptions. I just wanted to share my opinion and hear the others as well. I at least had some decent exchange to some degree.
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anizawa: I am talking about pretty much a good chunk of people in my nation. Not both of us, "we" but me and a good majority of us here. That "we", the "we" usually mock them, alright?
Then maybe INDICATE it properly?
Because your implication that you meant people from your implied country of residence was NOT OBVIOUS AT ALL.
In fact I doubt anyone would have guessed it here.

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anizawa: I entered this thread for a simple exchange of discussion and you suddenly went all arms at me. Look, it is pretty possible to change any opinion if it is done with in a decent tone. I had at least been conversing normally with the others and yeah I at least have considered the changes now based on the exchange. Compared to before and thinking what will happen if they do end up fully like their competitors. So yeah. With this aggression that you are showing, I'm pretty much unwelcome here.
I am not aggressive.
I am assertive.
And unlike most people from this thread I have some context here.
You popped out from thin air in the giveaway thread, you were told by the OP (and before that, by me) that you are misreading things, also OP told you you are not eligible BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WEREN'T TOO ACTIVE ON THE FORUMS IN THE RECENT TIME.
Suddenly you pop up in this thread, which is often near the top of "general forum" (ergo hightened visibility).
You proceeded to say how you "don't care because it's not a problem for you". Essentially making a bogus appearance in this thread (because if you don't agree then why even write here?).
From my perspective you TOTALLY come off as trying hard to age your account fast in order to be eligible for the giveaway and you do that by forcibly posting in somewhat irrelevant threads.
It can anger some people.
But I am not aggressive.
You just started spewing bizzare stuff and I merely responded to it in non-apologist way.
Sorry, but your used wording made it sound like you claim certain aspects are "not a problem" in GENERAL and not just for you.
You also undermined this boycott, and also provoked and shamed people (about the "why don't you fight for DRM-free" first, it's as if you are mocking this thread's participants).
You should really pay more attention to the wording you use.
Otherwise you will be seen as intentionally screwing with people here.

So, to continue what did not fit in my last post (character limit):

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anizawa: I do see the gripe you people have with the "DRM-free"
Oh! "HOW DARE WE" expect a platform to uphold their purity TOS-based vows and actually deliver what TOS entitles us to get!
Sorry, but I just cannot unsee your words as "you take an issue with the fact that the platform stopped doing what it sworn to do".
What you said is so satirically dumb it's not even funny anymore.

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anizawa: my goal wasn't really to change your minds, but to try and explain what I can on why they are doing this
Well, since you don't work for GOG you can really do NOTHING as per their "explanations".
What you do are just plain excuses for what this company is doing which is clearly wrong and in open contradiction to their MARKETING (included but not limited to "DRM-free" on EVERY product card, INCLUDING those games that are clearly NOT).
So, with all due respect, what you are pulling here is not "explanation" let alone "official", it's OPINION, it's your own personal excuse to not feel bad about the fact that this company is in fact doing some wrong deeds.
No thank you.
Not everybody is a biased blind supporter who will put up with ANYTHING "oh becuase I want to support the store".
I wantED to support the store.
But I won't do that anymore if said store is introducing deeds I don't approve of.
Especially if said store PUBLICLY PROMISED to be ALWAYS 100% DRM-free and then lied to our faces.

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anizawa: What can I say? Would a boycott actually help change their mind? I don't think so.
Well to bad. Then you should not really be in this thread should you? (if you don't believe in it)
You REALLY come off as a random traveler who wounded up here for some bizzare mysterious reason even tho you are very clearly misaligned with the general premise of this thread according to your own words.
And no, this is not a personal attack, I have nothing against you as a person, but your behaviour is awkward and you generally shouldn't really be here if you don't agree and don't care should you?
It's just a bit bizzare that you seemingly came here to bother people with telling them you personally don't care and then arguing with them that in your opinion GOG's actions are 100% justified and therefore "it's fine" - as in, not just FOR YOU - just "IN GENERAL".

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anizawa: Would it get noticed at least? Oh you bet it would, and depending if it got out to the point that the news outlets are talking about it. They'll have to address it and maybe we will get those disclaimer tags.
How bizzare that you think they will notice NOW right after your posts and "will definitely implement 'YOUR' idea immediatelly" :P
Fyi:
They don't bother to fix things even when personally bug reported to blues.

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anizawa: Because I can definitely say that if these triple A games keep producing those kinds of games. (And pretty sure they will since most consoles are already going digital.) GOG has no choice but to host what they can while maintaining that image.
Games are producing games?
Are you living in land of artificial intelligence creatures or something?

No. For the last time:
GOG does have a choice. Of doing what they used to do before starting to do their BS excuses.
They can deny these games LIKE THEY DID BEFORE.
You claim to "have been noticing" "because you have account from 2012" so "SURELY" you must have noticed the general lack of most bigger AAA games in former years of this company's operation as well as a lack of DRM in any actually present here before a point few years ago when it (the DRM creeping in) started.

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anizawa: Heck, I'm just glad I'm not that into most triple A titles to bother with it.
Ah yes, the classic, "it does not resolve around the product I care about so I don't care".
It's about on par with "it's not my car that got scratch-drawn some d*cks last night so I don't care and will continue parking in that parking lot".

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anizawa: But to be honest, I wonder why you people just didn't promote boycotting those DRM games rather than GOG? I think that'll at least make some sense to the others and rally more to your cause.
It's funny how you keep judging people here based on NOTHING. You are jumping to some really far fetched conclusions with no evidence.
1.IT'S GOG that suddenly is ditching their principles. As their regular customers (some of us anyway) we think this is THE PLACE to voice concerns regarding THIS platform.
2.You really DON'T know what people did and did not. So DON'T try to shame people here without knowing any better.

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anizawa: and this one? Yeah. this one I can understand your issues definitely. I can think of a lot of reasons, but the most common would be: lack of manpower, communication or a really bad reporting format.
These excuses would maybe fly 15 years ago. Not now.

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anizawa: I'm sorry if it did feel like I am trying to be aggressive or anything. And I did being indirect which lead to some misinterpretations and assumptions I just wanted to share my opinion and hear the others as well. I at least had some decent exchange to some degree.
You are always free to voice your opinion but don't jump into a thread trying to accuse people of not trying (" But to be honest, I wonder why you people just didn't promote boycotting those DRM games rather than GOG? ") as well as using confusing wording and when someone calls you out you claim "you meant something else".
From my perspective you didn't actually voice your opinion, you even said that you want to "explain to us" how GOG's actions are justified.
That's not exactly an "opinion" per definition.
You can voice your opinions. But don't aggravate people. And have some tact.
Also would be good if you would finally acknowledge that people here have said many things and that this thread is not a collection of people who 100% agree with OP post and so don't assume everyone thinks the same and "not reading previous posts and barging in into the discussion out of the blue with 'ASSUMPTIONS' is 'fine'".
No hard feelings.
Just have some tact and maybe work on your wording please.
Peace.
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Elmofongo: I knew this would be the case.

It all boils back into this.

People wants GOG to go back to the year 2007-8 where it was only a place to purchase older games priced at 5-10 dollars and DRM Free and that's it.

No new games thus no increase in prices and no new games means no new Indie games either only the classic PC games from the 1980s to 2010-ish, no Early Access/In-Development games, no Pre-Order Bonuses/Special Editions of games. And no DLCs. And no GOG Galaxy
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OldOldGamer: No. Again wrong.
I would like to have the quality and values of 2007-2008.
And those were?
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Elmofongo: And those were?
Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love, and a Hard-Boiled Egg!
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Elmofongo: And those were?
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Breja: Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love, and a Hard-Boiled Egg!
THE AMERICAN WAY!!!
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OldOldGamer: No. Again wrong.
I would like to have the quality and values of 2007-2008.
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Elmofongo: And those were?
The main value: don't ask redundant questions trying to look like a smart guy.

Other than that, I posted quite comprehensive list a few posts above.
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"Cyberpunk 2077 had a China censor flag called Winnie the Pooh, according to leaked data"
https://www.vg247.com/2021/06/08/cyberpunk-2077-winnie-the-pooh-china-censor/

Many gamers will now start boycotting GOG/CDPR?
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Leevi: "Cyberpunk 2077 had a China censor flag called Winnie the Pooh, according to leaked data"
https://www.vg247.com/2021/06/08/cyberpunk-2077-winnie-the-pooh-china-censor/

Many gamers will now start boycotting GOG/CDPR?
CDPR unleashed cyberpunk on the world, all right minded individuals already boycotting them...
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Leevi: "Cyberpunk 2077 had a China censor flag called Winnie the Pooh, according to leaked data"
https://www.vg247.com/2021/06/08/cyberpunk-2077-winnie-the-pooh-china-censor/

Many gamers will now start boycotting GOG/CDPR?
God, I hope so! Would be their well-earned karmic comeuppance for how they handled Devotion. Hey, maybe they'll even get to sell Devotion once they're firewalled in China. I can see them now, hat in hand, crawling back to Red Candle: "Plz, gibs us Devotion! Pretty pleeeease!"
I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.

GAMES NOT BOUGHT ON GOG IN 2021
(1) 18/1/21: Dread Nautical - $10
(2) 18/1/21: Operencia: The Stolen Sun - $15
(3) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 3 Deluxe - $2.5
(4) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 4 + DLC - $3.5
(5) 10/2/21: Drakensang - $3
(6) 10/2/21: Commander Keen Complete Pack - $1.5
(7) 10/2/21: XCOM 2 - $4.5
(8) 26/2/21: Cardaclysm: Shards of the Four - $9
(9) 22/3/21: Raji: An Ancient Epic - $12.5
(10) 30/3/21: Worms World Party Remastered - $2
(11) 2/4/21: Steel Rats Original Soundtrack - $1
(12) 29/4/21: Hob - $4
(13) 30/4/21: The 7th Circle - Endless Nightmare - $5
(14) 3/6/21: Warhammer Quest Deluxe - $4.5
(15) 3/6/21: Warhammer Quest 2: The End Times - $10
(16) 9/6/21: Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition - $3
(17) 9/6/21: THIEF: Definitive Edition - $6
(18) 9/6/21: Fae Tactics - $12
(19) 9/6/21: Loop Hero - $10
(20) 9/6/21: Styx: Master of Shadows - $2

Total not spent on GOG so far: $121

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Additionally, after 12 years of buying nothing but GOG, I have finally decided to buy video games elsewhere.

GAMES BOUGHT ELSEWHERE IN 2021
(1) Humble Store - $8
(2) Indiegala - $3

Total spent elsewhere so far: $11

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Post edited June 13, 2021 by mrkgnao
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mrkgnao: I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.

GAMES NOT BOUGHT ON GOG IN 2021
(1) 18/1/21: Dread Nautical - $10
(2) 18/1/21: Operencia: The Stolen Sun - $15
(3) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 3 Deluxe - $2.5
(4) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 4 + DLC - $3.5
(5) 10/2/21: Drakensang - $3
(6) 10/2/21: Commander Keen Complete Pack - $1.5
(7) 10/2/21: XCOM 2 - $4.5
(8) 26/2/21: Cardaclysm: Shards of the Four - $9
(9) 22/3/21: Raji: An Ancient Epic - $12.5
(10) 30/3/21: Worms World Party Remastered - $2
(11) 2/4/21: Steel Rats Original Soundtrack - $1
(12) 29/4/21: Hob - $4
(13) 30/4/21: The 7th Circle - Endless Nightmare - $5
(14) 3/6/21: Warhammer Quest Deluxe - $4.5
(15) 3/6/21: Warhammer Quest 2: The End Times - $10
(16) 9/6/21: Sleeping Dogs: Definitive Edition - $3
(17) 9/6/21: THIEF: Definitive Edition - $6
(18) 9/6/21: Fae Tactics - $12
(19) 9/6/21: Loop Hero - $10
(20) 9/6/21: Styx: Master of Shadows - $2

Total not spent on GOG so far: $121

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Additionally, after 12 years of buying nothing but GOG, I have finally decided to buy video games elsewhere.

GAMES BOUGHT ELSEWHERE IN 2021
(1) Humble Store - $3

Total spent elsewhere so far: $3

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Yep, same here. Would have brought 4 at least off the bat today, £20. Instead it’s gone £7 to humble, 5e to itch.
Another sale which would have normally shortened my wish-list. Now, instead, it just grows with some of the new releases. Ah well.