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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place. Now I think I finally realised why Epic don't want to have their own forums. It is threads like this that will happen there all the time. Well I guess I can't blame them for that
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patrikc: Pointing out missteps is not the same as attacking, try to understand the difference before typing.
Or maybe you should first check the dictionary what "atacking" means and then follow your own advice ? Here I'll help you with definition of atacking - "to criticize someone strongly" - cambridge online dictionary. Criticize - "to express disapproval of someone or something" - same source. Would you agree now atacking them fits perefctly since I also" understand facing criticism is not something easy" but that goes both ways you know. ?

If boycotting has nothing to do with the forums then why call them hypocritical if they decide to lock this thread. So when you use the forums to follow your own agenda it is perfectly fine but if they decide to take actions against it suddenly they are hypocritical even though you say they are both not connected so it shouldn't matter. We are talking about their own forums here that are made to support the store. Personally when I don't agree with Epic for example and how they do things I don't go on their reddit every day to tell them that. Why go there just to annoy all their users and start fights? It is common sense... I just do it everywhere else.
Post edited May 08, 2021 by Haku__
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Breja: I don't really understand what you're saying. Yes, people have a choice -they can also disagree by presenting sensible arguments rather than just downvoting, or simply ignore the thread altogether. I didn't call anyone a "nobody". But yes, people behind mass downvoting of some users as some "punishment" for the boycott are spitefull. I think that's pretty self evident.
Clearly seeing how people in here try to "discuss" with people not in the same mind as they are.
Very funny claim.
I mean, some people here even said, that their only reason to be in this thread, writing against GoG is for their personal amusement.
While getting hostile against everybody who is not with you is very common in this place.

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Eli: is it super naive of me to ask why your original post is low rated?
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Breja: Yes. Yes it is.

Basically it's low rated because people who exhibit the "the boycott is ridiculous and it will never work and it will ruin GOG and I will lose all my games because it won't work and I just love GOG so much" mindset tend to get very spiteful.

Or maybe because some people just like to downvote. It happens a lot on this forum, as I'm sure youve noticed.
And it couldn't be low rated because people clearly see, that (differently then OP claimed) his post is not even close to be any kind of base for a discussion but a combination of many topics with some claims that that can't be fulfilled by GoG (removing the own game Gwent - what?) in any way.
So he posted an ultimatum the other side can't follow at all and now they shall see his revenge.
There is no base for talking to each other.
It was never intended, that GoG would be able to do enough to please him.
Should we talk about if this is hypocritical?

And the OP is already turning this thread into a political statement of his own, showing his own Cold War Red Dawn US-feelings very clearly.
In the first post.

Most people don't even care about this topic. In fact, just a small group of you is bumping it up.
And it does happend what usually will happend in this case. Untrue things are made up, it is getting more radical over time and the wall against the outside is getting bigger and bigger, while claiming to be in charge of a silent majority.

And while _every_ other store would have close this place down and maybe even kicked you out, GoG did not.
Still you call them hypocritical in advance if they would take any actions against this thread, regardless how far of the rails it would get?
Now that I call hypocritical.
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randomuser.833: Most people don't even care about this topic. In fact, just a small group of you is bumping it up.
He said, bumping the thread.
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patrikc: Pointing out missteps is not the same as attacking, try to understand the difference before typing.
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Haku__: Or maybe you should first check the dictionary what "atacking" means and then follow your own advice ? Here I'll help you with definition of atack - "to criticize someone strongly" - cambridge online dictionary. Criticize - "to express disapproval of someone or something" - same source. Would you agree now atacking them fits perefctly since I also" understand facing criticism is not something easy" but that goes both ways you know. ?

If boycotting has nothing to do with the forums then why call them hypocritical if they decide to lock this thread. So when you use the forums to follow your own agenda it is perfectly fine but if they decide to take actions against it suddenly they are hypocritical even though you say they are both not connected so it shouldn't matter. We are talking about their own forums here that are made to support the store. Personally when I don't agree with Epic for example and how they do things I don't go on their reddit every day to tell them that. Why go there just to annoy all their users and start fights? It is common sense... I just do it everywhere else.
Very selective in your vocabulary I see. I'm not surprised. I suggest checking various sources. And trust me, you don't want to go into semantics with me.

Why did I say it would be a hypocritical move? Here, I'll explain it, maybe you will understand it - somehow I doubt it since you're looking in one direction only. First and foremost because GOG cannot handle their own CoC. They do not put up with political talk for one, but when it comes to spamming, trolling, rep abuse, childish behaviour or personal attacks there is barely any reaction. When asked difficult questions they'd rather ignore them, who knows for what reason.
Do you really think that's something acceptable?
They backtracked and removed a game due to complaints received from "gamers". But at the same time they hosted a giveaway for a game with political message on a day with political meaning. Should I also mention the situation across the world at that particular moment in time? I've said it before and I will say it again, it was something done in very poor taste. This was the first time GOG locked one of their own threads. The lack of foreknowledge in this situation was off the charts.

Let's not fool ourselves, the forums are an afterthought at this point. In numerous occasions GOG were called on this and there is still no improvement in sight. So to think they are here to support the store, I'd say that's very naïve.

In regards to Epic (since this is the second time you mention them): it's your own problem if you don't raise your concern when you're supposed to. Being passive will only encourage questionable behaviour in the future. Just don't be surprised when things will go south in a heartbeat. And this applies not only to gaming.
You have a complaint, you are not satisfied with a given situation or event? Voice it, don't just brush it aside. Or would you rather keep silent in fear you are going to bother certain individuals?

Now, I'd like to hear about this "agenda" you mentioned.



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randomuser.833: Most people don't even care about this topic. In fact, just a small group of you is bumping it up.
Yet here you are. Interesting.
Post edited May 08, 2021 by patrikc
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As I said, I'm watching your downward spiral from the sideline for my own entertainment.
In the last days I was able to put my check mark behind the right wing claims against the "left" (with GoG being on the "wrong side" for sure.
Was funny to see how this place became something everyone seeks out when he wants to claim to be suppressed.

But sometimes I feel the urge to remind you how your self-perception does differ from the picture people see in reality. You know, a little crack in the wall.

It gives a deep insight how you try to react.
I was writing that sentence to see if you would jump the shark - and to my entertainment you did.

At the risk of saying it again, keep on.
I know quite a few people who find reading here more entertaining then seeing all those "forum games" on the main page.
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Breja: people who exhibit the "the boycott is ridiculous and it will never work and it will ruin GOG and I will lose all my games because it won't work and I just love GOG so much"
People who come to this platform without having ANY, even the smallest, kind of strategy of backing up their DRM free games, and then complain when there may be a potential endgame type of issue on the horizon, are some exceptional bunch of misguided hypocrites.

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patrikc: I doubt this thread will be locked. It would be a hypocritical move on their part.
And since when does GOG care about their public picture?
If they would care how they are perceived they would take actions on evidently large amount of complaints citing multiple unaddressed issues.

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Haku__: So suddenly everyone who don't agree has "very spiteful" mindset . Or they are just nobody who likes to downvote.
Interesting. So people have no choice here. They either have to agree or they are nobody because .... you say so !
There is also the choice of doing neither.

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Breja: But yes, people behind mass downvoting of some users as some "punishment" for the boycott are spitefull. I think that's pretty self evident.
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Haku__: Ah so now people can't just express themselves by upvoting/downvoting but they have to present you a sensible argument because you said so again ? Who are you again ? I don't think anyone in their right mind would even post here arguing against it because it is already very noticebale how hostile this place is against anyone who does not agree no matter the reason and your words just confimed it.
How DARE you put everybody from this thread in the same bag?!
You CLEARLY have not read all posts here. I am quite positive you haven't read even 80%.
As if you would then you would surely encouter many people not fitting your behavioral analysis profile.

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Haku__: Normal humans willl never do that. They would sit on their asses, spend their time on this amazing forum and "present" you some sensible arguments
So called "normal humans" have far more common sense than "moody mass downvoters".
Normal people have enough common sense to reason first and foremost.
So yes, NORMAL people would provide counterargumentation before resorting to barbaric misdesigned rep system.

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patrikc: I doubt this thread will be locked. It would be a hypocritical move on their part.
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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place. Now I think I finally realised why Epic don't want to have their own forums. It is threads like this that will happen there all the time. Well I guess I can't blame them for that
Well excuse me, this forum isn't solely for PLATFORM PRAISE.

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patrikc: Pointing out missteps is not the same as attacking
I think it is about the fact that majority worldwide takes pointing out mistakes as a personal attack.
Which in itself is crazily hypocritical but that's an issue for another talk.
In any case, that specific behaviour fuels internal fire in those specific people and in turn it manifests itself in their online social interactions.

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patrikc: Understand the boycott does not come from a place of evil, rather the opposite. GOG needs to get back on track and when that will happen (there is a huge "if" here), then I will be here to support them wholeheartedly.
You bring up pretty major point.
It's amusing that SO MANY people seemingly don't understand that boycott comes actually from people who CARE about the platform.
Whereas the people who DON'T care or care barely will just watch the platform burn, they will say NOTHING, and when things go too far they will just bail and jump into another flower (platform).
Coincidentially many of those people also have the biggest mouth when it comes to accusing people who GENUINELY CARE of "destroying the platform by voicing criticism".
This drips with irony so much...

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patrikc: I understand facing criticism is not something easy, but GOG is rather poor at dealing with it
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patrikc: I'd like to receive answers to some questions I addressed, so far there is only silence.
Yes, "CDPR Group" instead of doing ANYTHING simply decides to turn their head to not see the ramping up fire in the room.
They fit the "this is fine" meme so well imo.

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patrikc: Pointing out missteps is not the same as attacking, try to understand the difference before typing.
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Haku__: Or maybe you should first check the dictionary what "atacking" means and then follow your own advice ?
Says the guy who keeps misspelling the word while CLAIMING to have researched it's meaning in ONE dictionary while applying SELECTIVE comprehension on the matter.
It's one thing to simply mistype or misspell.
But misspelling while boasting about "research" of said word is just taking it to a whole another level.
It's pretty high level of hypocrisy imo.

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Haku__: We are talking about their own forums here that are made to support the store.
I was under the impression that this forum was made for users to be able to discuss things primarily between themselves first and foremost.

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Haku__: Personally when I don't agree with Epic for example and how they do things I don't go on their reddit every day to tell them that. Why go there just to annoy all their users and start fights? It is common sense... I just do it everywhere else.
Is it tho?
I wouldn't exactly call "why stand out if you have an issue, it's better to suffer in silence just to not anger those who don't agree with me" attitude the "common sense".

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randomuser.833: Most people don't even care about this topic. In fact, just a small group of you is bumping it up.
How ironic of you to say so.
You're a funny guy... /s

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randomuser.833: And while _every_ other store would have close this place down and maybe even kicked you out, GoG did not.
As majority of users participating in this thread do NOT actually violate CoC or ToS within this thread GOG has NO jurisdiction nor basis to BAN those users based on THIS thread alone.
(I understood your "kick" as ban. Tell me if I am wrong)

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randomuser.833: Still you call them hypocritical in advance if they would take any actions against this thread, regardless how far of the rails it would get?
1.You aren't the OP so you cannot police this thread. Also the OP post is sooooo vaguely broad it gives A LOT of room for "not strictly on topic but ACTUALLY still related therefore SOMEWHAT on topic" (*cough* SteamCMD / DepotDownloader *cough*) conversations.
2.They (GOG) are hypocrites for selectively applying their own rules. It's specificly about this.

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patrikc: You have a complaint, you are not satisfied with a given situation or event? Voice it, don't just brush it aside. Or would you rather keep silent in fear you are going to bother certain individuals?
It's a mainstream agenda that is unfortunatelly spreading like a disease.

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randomuser.833: As I said, I'm watching your downward spiral from the sideline for my own entertainment.
(...)
But sometimes I feel the urge to remind you how your self-perception does differ from the picture people see in reality. You know, a little crack in the wall.
Don't be suprised if one day somebody will gift YOU "behavioral mirror" (in ANY form) for THEIR own "entertainment".
Oh look, mass downvoting started up again, what a coinkidink...
I thought I'd keep a record of GOG games I would definitely have bought, were it not for my boycott.

GAMES NOT BOUGHT ON GOG IN 2021
(1) 18/1/21: Dread Nautical - $10
(2) 18/1/21: Operencia: The Stolen Sun - $15
(3) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 3 Deluxe - $2.5
(4) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 4 + DLC - $3.5
(5) 10/2/21: Drakensang - $3
(6) 10/2/21: Commander Keen Complete Pack - $1.5
(7) 10/2/21: XCOM 2 - $4.5
(8) 26/2/21: Cardaclysm: Shards of the Four - $9
(9) 22/3/21: Raji: An Ancient Epic - $12.5
(10) 30/3/21: Worms World Party Remastered - $2
(11) 2/4/21: Steel Rats Original Soundtrack - $1
(12) 29/4/21: Hob - $4
(13) 30/4/21: The 7th Circle - Endless Nightmare - $5

Total not spent on GOG so far: $73.5

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Additionally, after 12 years of buying nothing but GOG, I have finally decided to buy video games elsewhere.

GAMES BOUGHT ELSEWHERE IN 2021
(1) Hexcells Complete Pack (Humble) - $3

Total spent elsewhere so far: $3

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Zrevnur: I dont see your point - especially as you complain then about US censorship:
GOG is in Europe, you are in Europe, I am in Europe.
GOG is in this forum, you are in this forum, I am in this forum.
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Yeshu: Try starting in you own country that still censors video games "because all games are for little kids".
Due to bad forum rules (etc) here I dont want to give a proper response.
Also: Obviously the context I responded to implied that it wasnt meant in a simple geographical manner. Which my 'forum' part also recognized.

(And I should have mentioned that I dont agree with a demand to start at home anyway.)

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patrikc: I doubt this thread will be locked. It would be a hypocritical move on their part.
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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place.
Note that I am unsure here whether you meant somebody in particular or whether this was meant as a general statement describing boycotters or critics posting in this thread. If this was meant as a general statement about boycotters and other critics posting in this thread:
I have looked up several definitions of 'hypocritical' (I usually dont use the word except maybe in response to someone else using it) and I dont see it. Hypocritical has different meanings and far as I can see none fit.
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Yeshu: Try starting in you own country that still censors video games "because all games are for little kids".
You're a bit out of date. Tbh, not by far... but is has changed. For now.
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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place. Now I think I finally realised why Epic don't want to have their own forums. It is threads like this that will happen there all the time. Well I guess I can't blame them for that
And I think it's a sign of confidence and actually also trust by GOG to let a thread like this stand. Confidence as in "we accept the criticism", and trust as in "we trust the people to not let this get out of hand".

What would you'd rather have? To organise "resistance" on some third-party forum or reddit and have GOG blindsided? As long as people keep it civil and simply voice their issues - this is the perfect place. People can voice their opinions, and GOG can demonstrate that they're not above criticism. This way it's a fair deal - like a truce - GOG is tolerant of open calls to "not buy until...", but the initiators are responsible of not letting this degrade into poo-flinging.
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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place. Now I think I finally realised why Epic don't want to have their own forums. It is threads like this that will happen there all the time. Well I guess I can't blame them for that
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toxicTom: And I think it's a sign of confidence and actually also trust by GOG to let a thread like this stand.
No. First of all they don't have the balls to even respond.
Second of all, and this is something many people may not understand but it's actually correct, if they would close this thread it would grow back like a hydra.
They would be IMMEDIATELLY accused of reducing free speech.
I'm quite positive GOG *knows* about this thread. It's just that they most likely ALSO KNOW that this situation is just like fighting a hydra, so instead of fighting it they lurk in the shadows and pretend to not see it.

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toxicTom: "we trust the people to not let this get out of hand"
"here is the CoC and ToS, we trust you enough that you will abide to it that we stopped enforcing those and have underhanded moderator numbers because WE TRUST YOU SO MUCH that you will politely abide to those rules so that we don't have to pay additional people to ACTUALLY make sure the rules are enforced"
Like that strategy makes any sense in IRL world...

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toxicTom: Confidence as in "we accept the criticism"
They accept criticism?
What? HOW?
To my knowledge they are not even ACKNOWLEDGING it, let alone ACCEPTING it.
You are quite frankly mistaken. They are nowhere near accepting it. They are full on IGNORING it.
Either way, they are not fixing any problems so far so...

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toxicTom: What would you'd rather have? To organise "resistance" on some third-party forum or reddit and have GOG blindsided?
Are you seriously pretending THIS THREAD is the ONLY place where people are openly talking about boycotting CDPR Group?
Wow. That's some special level of ignorance.
Dude, people would be boycotting regardless of this thread's existence, those who CARE would anyway.
People did do that long before this thread was created and they would still do that if this thread would come to an end.
Some people gloat and pretend like this thread is some sort of "GOG boycott central authority" but it's really not.
People did, are and will talk elsewhere. Just deal with it already.

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toxicTom: As long as people keep it civil and simply voice their issues - this is the perfect place.
Oh yeah, like that DEFINITELY remained /s

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toxicTom: People can voice their opinions, and GOG can demonstrate that they're not above criticism.
I am yet to see such demonstration in this thread. So far I have been shown nothing but radio silence.

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toxicTom: This way it's a fair deal - like a truce - GOG is tolerant of open calls to "not buy until...",
Well excuse me, we don't live in some dictatorship area where GOG is able to FORCE people into buying stuff.
It's not like they can ban you for saying "I had enough of this sh*t so I will not buy here until you fix it".
They don't "tolerate" it. This isn't something they can FORCE users to change.
They can do NOTHING about it. If they want this to stop then they need to fix called out issues first.

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toxicTom: but the initiators are responsible of not letting this degrade into poo-flinging.
But this has already happened iirc. Are you pretending this thread only has few-dozen-ish pages instead of OTHER A HUNDRED for your own convenience so that you are not held responsible for spreading false info based on how you PRESUMABLY did not bother to read the entire thing "just to be sure" what you are saying is correct?
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toxicTom: but the initiators are responsible of not letting this degrade into poo-flinging.
I find the idea of the OP of this or any other thread being somehow responsible for actions of others when he has absolutely no power to do anything and any troll can show up here to say whatever they want to be rather ludicrous to tell the truth.

There is no need for any "truce" with GOG. The OP isn't violating any rules, this subject does not violate any rules, no special truce or permission or blessing is necessary for this thread to exist. Letting it go on is not some act of benevolence on GOGs part. If anyone thinks it is it only shows how pervasive the mentality of acquiescence to corporate overreaching has become.
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Breja: I find the idea of the OP of this or any other thread being somehow responsible for actions of others when he has absolutely no power to do anything and any troll can show up here to say whatever they want to be rather ludicrous to tell the truth.
Well I do think if some troll(s) should show up and started throwing feces most people here would distance themselves from those.
And it has happened. When that guy came up with those fantastic accusations of me being paid be CDP their posts were red rather quickly.
Of course the OP, or the supporters can't delete posts, but they can make clear (and so far I think they've done) that trolls or zealots are not wanted here.

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Breja: There is no need for any "truce" with GOG. The OP isn't violating any rules, this subject does not violate any rules, no special truce or permission or blessing is necessary for this thread to exist. Letting it go on is not some act of benevolence on GOGs part. If anyone thinks it is it only shows how pervasive the mentality of acquiescence to corporate overreaching has become.
A company XY deleting posts about boycotting XY on their own website would be "corporate overreaching"? If you'd do that IRL in some store or restaurant, you'd find yourself on the pavement in front of the entrance rather quickly - and nobody would bat an eye.
And I'm pretty sure most companies would delete threads like this one and possibly ban the users involved rather quickly.
Possibly even try to remove threads like this on other platforms (like ie. Reddit) too - which I would indeed see as "corporate overreaching".

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B1tF1ghter: They would be IMMEDIATELLY accused of reducing free speech.
This is a corporate website. Rules of free speech don't apply here.

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B1tF1ghter: I'm quite positive GOG *knows* about this thread.
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They accept criticism?
What? HOW?
To my knowledge they are not even ACKNOWLEDGING it, let alone ACCEPTING it.
You are quite frankly mistaken. They are nowhere near accepting it. They are full on IGNORING it.
Either way, they are not fixing any problems so far so...
They accept the criticism. They let it stand. Doesn't mean they will or have to change anything.

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B1tF1ghter: It's not like they can ban you for saying "I had enough of this sh*t so I will not buy here until you fix it".
They don't "tolerate" it.
They tolerate an organised boycott. This is not just "I had enough of this shit", this is "Who's with me?". There's even a long list in the OP. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

In general I find your language very loaded, accusatory and impolite. Unless you stop with your ad hominem and putting words into my mouth I didn't say, I won't bother to answer you any further.
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toxicTom: A company XY deleting posts about boycotting XY on their own website would be "corporate overreaching"?
This ain't 'Nam. There are rules. GOG's own rules. And "11. Thou shalt not criticise your GOG" is not among them. So yeah, deleting a thread that does not violate the forum rules because it's nto to their liking would be overreaching (at least in my opinion).

Also, this isn't about hurting GOG. This isn't about some circlejerk of GOG haters. It's about reaching GOG. Communicating something to them. Communicating with them would be even better. If this isn'e the place to do that... then where? And if they delete this thread all they would be communicating is "we do not care about your opinion or satisfaction, now continue spending". Throwing clients trying to raise legitimate complaints "onto the pavement" would also seem something of an overreach for me.