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Zrevnur: I dont see your point - especially as you complain then about US censorship:
GOG is in Europe, you are in Europe, I am in Europe.
GOG is in this forum, you are in this forum, I am in this forum.
Try starting in you own country that still censors video games "because all games are for little kids".
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Zrevnur: Note that all the following is my own personal perspective on this. I do believe that some other people here have quite different ones.
I dont agree with your perspective. Its GOG doing the censorship and not China. My issues are with GOG.

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i see it exactly the same way. btw its not that gog didn't already censor to make more profit. they started 2015 by geo-blocking german customers from certain games to open the german storefront. and did lie in their statements about why they've done it.

besides that, the whole devotion debacle is a great example of how well capitalism and dictatorship go along.
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apehater: besides that, the whole devotion debacle is a great example of how well capitalism and dictatorship go along.
Bingo, if you combine both you get bona fide fascism.
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Oh boy, seems like this went even more off rail, when the good old red dawn feeling is now combined with right wing conspiracy theories.

Have to admit, standing at the sideline and watching it from outside, it is getting more and more hilarious.
Keep up guys ;)
Post edited May 08, 2021 by randomuser.833
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Zrevnur: So while technically from the POV of someone who personally does not have an issue (in terms of reason for boycotting) with forum censorship forum censorship may be irrelevant for the "topic" but its still highly relevant for this thread about the topic.

Also: The OP (poster) has [...]
I'm aware what the OP has said. I could've worded my post more clearly as what I said wasn't intending to refer to him, but, rather, to the rest of the folks discussing the matter who didn't actively take that same stance. In other words, I am saying that forum censorship based on perceived political reasons is only relevant in this topic to those who are specifically boycotting for that reason. The reason I make that distinction is because it seems like people (not necessarily in this topic, but on this forum and in general) will take any excuse to turn a topic into "my tyrant is BETTER than your tyrant" political based discussion and I am trying, hoping against hope, to nip that in the bud so this topic doesn't get locked.
Hi T. This is very interesting, thanks for outlining everything you did so clearly.

Also - and I'd be happy if anyone or everyone answered this question - is it super naive of me to ask why your original post is low rated?
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Eli: is it super naive of me to ask why your original post is low rated?
Yes. Yes it is.

Basically it's low rated because people who exhibit the "the boycott is ridiculous and it will never work and it will ruin GOG and I will lose all my games because it won't work and I just love GOG so much" mindset tend to get very spiteful.

Or maybe because some people just like to downvote. It happens a lot on this forum, as I'm sure youve noticed.
Post edited May 08, 2021 by Breja
Hm, yes, is very upsetting. Very much did not used to be this way. Much has changed. Is bad for Zathras. But anyway, thank you Breja! I loved your first post in this thread, BTW. Really great stuff. :-) And I agree.
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rjbuffchix: The reason I make that distinction is because it seems like people (not necessarily in this topic, but on this forum and in general) will take any excuse to turn a topic into "my tyrant is BETTER than your tyrant" political based discussion and I am trying, hoping against hope, to nip that in the bud so this topic doesn't get locked.
I doubt this thread will be locked. It would be a hypocritical move on their part.
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Eli: is it super naive of me to ask why your original post is low rated?
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Breja: Yes. Yes it is.

Basically it's low rated because people who exhibit the "the boycott is ridiculous and it will never work and it will ruin GOG and I will lose all my games because it won't work and I just love GOG so much" mindset tend to get very spiteful.

Or maybe because some people just like to downvote. It happens a lot on this forum, as I'm sure youve noticed.
So suddenly everyone who don't agree has "very spiteful" mindset . Or they are just nobody who likes to downvote.
Interesting. So people have no choice here. They either have to agree or they are nobody because .... you say so ! Well this for me is a deifition of spiteful mindset coming from you /or more like arrogance/
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Haku__: So suddenly everyone who don't agree has "very spiteful" mindset . Or they are just nobody who likes to downvote.
Interesting. So people have no choice here. They either have to agree or they are nobody because .... you say so ! Well this for me is a deifition of spiteful mindset coming from you /or more like arrogance/
I don't really understand what you're saying. Yes, people have a choice -they can also disagree by presenting sensible arguments rather than just downvoting, or simply ignore the thread altogether. I didn't call anyone a "nobody". But yes, people behind mass downvoting of some users as some "punishment" for the boycott are spitefull. I think that's pretty self evident.
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rjbuffchix: The reason I make that distinction is because it seems like people (not necessarily in this topic, but on this forum and in general) will take any excuse to turn a topic into "my tyrant is BETTER than your tyrant" political based discussion and I am trying, hoping against hope, to nip that in the bud so this topic doesn't get locked.
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patrikc: I doubt this thread will be locked. It would be a hypocritical move on their part.
Would not be the first time.
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Haku__: So suddenly everyone who don't agree has "very spiteful" mindset . Or they are just nobody who likes to downvote.
Interesting. So people have no choice here. They either have to agree or they are nobody because .... you say so ! Well this for me is a deifition of spiteful mindset coming from you /or more like arrogance/
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Breja: I don't really understand what you're saying. Yes, people have a choice -they can also disagree by presenting sensible arguments rather than just downvoting, or simply ignore the thread altogether. I didn't call anyone a "nobody". But yes, people behind mass downvoting of some users as some "punishment" for the boycott are spitefull. I think that's pretty self evident.
Ah so now people can't just express themselves by upvoting/downvoting but they have to present you a sensible argument because you said so again ? Who are you again ? I don't think anyone in their right mind would even post here arguing against it because it is already very noticebale how hostile this place is against anyone who does not agree no matter the reason and your words just confimed it. These filthy downvoters, how dare they go against this thread. Normal humans willl never do that. They would sit on their asses, spend their time on this amazing forum and "present" you some sensible arguments so you can shi... on them .... I mean agree with them !!

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rjbuffchix: The reason I make that distinction is because it seems like people (not necessarily in this topic, but on this forum and in general) will take any excuse to turn a topic into "my tyrant is BETTER than your tyrant" political based discussion and I am trying, hoping against hope, to nip that in the bud so this topic doesn't get locked.
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patrikc: I doubt this thread will be locked. It would be a hypocritical move on their part.
Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place. Now I think I finally realised why Epic don't want to have their own forums. It is threads like this that will happen there all the time. Well I guess I can't blame them for that
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Haku__: Ah so now people can't just express themselves by upvoting/downvoting but they have to present you a sensible argument because you said so again ?
Oh no! Sensible arguments! What an outrageous thing to demand! Madness! Madness I tell you!

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Haku__: Who are you again ?
Someone who tries to offer sensible arguments instead of persistant downvotes to allay his frustration with a viewpoint I dislike but apparently can't logically object to.

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Haku__: I don't think anyone in their right mind would even post here
Well, your posts do seem to confirm that.

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Haku__: arguing against it because it is already very noticebale how hostile this place is against anyone who does not agree no matter the reason and your words just confimed it. These filthy downvoters, how dare they go against this thread. Normal humans willl never do that. They would sit on their asses, spend their time on this amazing forum and "present" you some sensible arguments so you can shi... on them .... I mean agree with them !!
If you find the idea of exchanging sensible arguments so outlandish, and prefer a simple attacks on people, perhaps internet fora, you know - places to discuss things and exchange arguments - simply aren't for you? Perhaps typing out angry hashtags on twitter would be more your speed?

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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them
Yeah, why try to make the matter clearly visable to GOG and make it easy for them to respond to the issues raised? It's almost as if the people boycotting wanted to actually accomplish something rather than simmer in impotent frustration.
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Haku__: Personally I find it hypocritical to use their own forums to atack them and also to continue to use these forums extremely actively ever since you say you boycott this place. Now I think I finally realised why Epic don't want to have their own forums. It is threads like this that will happen there all the time. Well I guess I can't blame them for that
Pointing out missteps is not the same as attacking, try to understand the difference before typing. Also, boycotting has nothing to do with using the forums or not, whether actively or sporadically. My boycott means I am no longer willing to purchase anything on the platform, at least for the time being. I will not support a company that strays further and further away from its core values, a company that makes odd decisions to put it mildly.
Would you suggest not using the forums simply because I do not purchase games?
Understand the boycott does not come from a place of evil, rather the opposite. GOG needs to get back on track and when that will happen (there is a huge "if" here), then I will be here to support them wholeheartedly. Until further notice, I'm not going to change my stance.
I understand facing criticism is not something easy, but GOG is rather poor at dealing with it (amongst other things). Ignoring shortcomings and concerns is not the proper way to move forward.

I kindly suggest you take a moment and reflect. I doubt there is anyone here with ill wishes towards GOG. Personally I'd like to see them prosper, but in a healthy way.
Also, I'd like to receive answers to some questions I addressed, so far there is only silence. That is not a good sign.
Post edited May 08, 2021 by patrikc