B1tF1ghter: Steam whatever they are doing is pretty transparent about it instead of being covert like some cowards.
Gersen: Ok, so you are perfectly fine with supporting a business directly supporting the Chinese government as long as they do it openly, that's not what you said originally, but at least now you clarified.
Wrong. JUST STOP ALREADY.
You are jumping to wrong conclusions and abusing the fact that my wording isn't 100% clear at all times and atm I lack patience to fight somebody's wrong allegations.
Also you keep stepping on me PERSONALLY for some reason...
You know what.
I was actually totally correct in my judgment imo. I just lacked patience to bring this up properly when originally writing it.
There is a HUGE fundamental different between:
1.Creating a containment platform specificly for chinese
market where chinese games can get promoted, sold and so on.
Market mostly for chinese games in fact. Where some international games can also potentially be released on some "preferential" rules of chinese market.
A seperate platform created partially to retain "main" Steam platform international independence. A "lesser evil" if you will.
That's a joint venture between Steam and some chinese
company which name I do not remember atm.
That is not directly supporting CH gov. It's directly supporting CH
game's market. This is just doing business in china. It doesn't automatically mean supporting CH gov.
2.Bending to arbitrary censorship request just because it offends 1 person and it's supporters.
GOG Devotion case.
Instead of creating arbitrary CH region lock based on arbitrary CH feedback allegedly from CH - we can see how it went with GOG instead - GOG just refused to release game internationally.
It is hard to not see this as endorsement to CH gov requests.
This is how I see it.
You are free to have a different view.
But if you will keep stepping on me personally I will not hestitate to report you.
XYCat: now came a "HIGHLY technical user" raging about Switzerland (CH) and some shit :D
(...)
Some HIGHLY technical users would probably blame government of Switzerland being in control of Steam and GOG together or something lol :D (pls lol CH? seriously)
There is a pretty big difference between accidentially using wrong country denomination and using self proclaimed abbreviation.
It is generally clear that
I in
this thread by "CH" mean "China".
I NEVER implied I mean Switzerland.
In fact it never crossed my head until now when I reminded myself that CH is a domain code for Switzerland.
I want to make clear once and for all that I indeed meant China everywhere I used CH in this thread.
Are you happy now?
So stop stepping on me personally people!
XYCat: GOG never really had Devotion in the catalogue, never sold the game,
GOG made an announcement that they will distribute the game.
You can only legally make such announcement after having already singed contract with developer / publisher for a product distribution.
There was a GOG product page live briefly.
So get your facts stright before you attack someone personally.
XYCat: Steam sold it for a bit and then pulled it from the store
Do your own research before posting.
Devotion got pulled from Seam BY IT'S DEVELOPERS. Developers. NOT Steam platform.
Here is the official statement by the developers:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1006510/discussions/0/1796278072845376475/
XYCat: without anyone of you giving a fuck, loooong before GOG and long before you even knew the game existed
Speak for yourself.
XYCat: And on top of that the demands like "GOG-senpai notice us!" while all of the hatespammers are very much happy to exploit the fact that gog forums are completely unmoderated
I wonder what will happen when you MAYBE someday see your own behavior.
What you are saying is hypocrisy. No hard feelings.
XYCat: and when someone actually does finally decide to step in and delete this nasty spam trash they're all like "ZOMG mah freeze peach!"
I for one am not writing anything breaking forum code of conduct in this thread.
So certainly if my posts would get removed all of the sudden then I would pursue support to give me a reason.
If they would get deleted because of GOG platform constructive criticism then that very well would be reducing my free speech rights.
Grahor: No DRM policy; if the game is on gog, it can be, alternatively, just downloaded. Some people had to force themselves to pay for the game on GOG instead. Now they will relapse into not paying.
Are you seriously comparing people seeking true DRM-free software with software pirates?