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nightcraw1er.488: So yes, all being said, zero point in GOG even existing at this point it is so far removed from what it was originally and no different to other stores, so as you say, just accept what is and go buy on steam for cheaper prices, larger catalog, and actual working functionality.
I wouldn't go that far. I think for the DRM-free crowd, GOG is hard to beat (all their games have a downloadable installer that will work independently of their servers... it may not have all the features or multiplayer, but you'll get something).

Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your statement. Other than the baseline behavior of providing an offline installer for all the games that are added to the store, I don't believe GOG is doing much to promote DRM-free anymore. They chose to follow, rather than lead.

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patrikc: It's a sad state of affairs when you look at the overall picture. Some people still fail to realise how many changes occurred these past years. And this applies to many other areas of life as well, not only to a digital store. Slowly, but surely, we step into a world of always-online, no ownership and perpetual "happiness". 2030 is not that far, I guess we're moving to Mars.
The problem is not about "online". Online is great. You've bought DRM-free games at a store online for years.

The problem is that online is a new frontier where corporate players can do whatever the heck they want with few restrictions and the law hasn't fully caught up to that.

Given that the internet is global, some degree of international cooperation will be required to make it happen. Things like GDPR are a move in the right direction.

Assuming that politicians globally don't become complete corporate sellouts, the ship will right itself over time. The yahoo years of companies doing almost whatever the heck they want online and being accountable to nobody are numbered.
Post edited April 27, 2021 by Magnitus
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Do what you want cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
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Post edited April 27, 2021 by Executer
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Magnitus: The problem is not about "online". Online is great. You've bought DRM-free games at a store online for years.

The problem is that online is a new frontier where corporate players can do whatever the heck they want with few restrictions and the law hasn't fully caught up to that.

Given that the internet is global, some degree of international cooperation will be required to make it happen. Things like GDPR are a move in the right direction.

Assuming that politicians globally don't become complete corporate sellouts, the ship will right itself over time. The yahoo years of companies doing almost whatever the heck they want online and being accountable to nobody are numbered.
I think you missed the point I was trying to make. The Internet can be a wonderful place when properly used, the biggest issue, as I see it, stems from the overreliance on this system designed by humans, which is not something infallible.
These corporate players you mention will do whatever they please most of the time, as they can bend the law according to their needs. GDPR serves as an annoyance for the common folk more often than not. In theory it brings valid points to the table, in practice it needs a great deal of work and refinement and honestly I don't see that happening. Big players will always try to circumvent restrictions and regulations and your average Joe will be the one losing in all this. Here's an example... In 2018 the Information Commissioner's Office of UK slapped British Airways with a fine of €22 million, roughly ten times less than what they had originally intended. Hundreds of thousands of customers had their data exposed due to a system breach, which could have been easily been avoided according to ICO. In return, British Airways issued an apology to its customers.
Make no mistake, Europe is still the one to set the tone during these times, albeit in a different manner than many people would consider. Try to look past the smokescreen.

I forgot to mention something else, hence this edit. Two years ago, Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella publicly praised the GDPR, calling it a fantastic start in treating privacy as a human right, asking for a GDPR for the world, all the while pointing fingers at US. Somehow I think this individual is not familiar with Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Or maybe he is a comedian. Do notice these words come from someone leading a company that thrives on data collection. During the same address, Nadella stated users should own their own data. Fast forward a few months and the Dutch authorities were slamming Microsoft for a "large scale and covert collection of personal data". As expected, hilarity ensued.
Post edited April 27, 2021 by patrikc
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BoycottIsFutile2: Blah blah
So you freely admit you have created alternate accounts simply with the purpose of spamming this thread. Hence the assumption that zero games, just joined is a spammer account is perfectly valid.
Yes, rep is just as broken as the rest of the website and forum, has been for years now.
I don’t have a movement, or members, in fact I don’t care at all for anyone’s opinions. I only talk from my side.
Galaxy is not optional. Just ask a gog representative about anything, for example, “what is the weather like on Thursday?”, response “use galaxy our optional client”. It’s the same response for anything. Also most installers are now galaxy style installers, offline or for galaxy (there is another thread on it). Also most installers now contain galaxy components, some of which are required for the product to work.
As for drm in games, it doesn’t matter how many games there are, most are old games which were never designed with online in mind. A lot of the new games are, as per your previous text, gog have changed their business model to push new games, and this means more and more games which require online to varying degrees. They are also profiting from selling drm games through epic, and them and their parent company CDPR profit from microtransaction online only titles like gwent, and this is what cyberpunk was designed for also.
The broken website and forum has been around for years, there is no intent to fix anything, only to push galaxy. It has nothing to do with revenue, why fix something you don’t want people to use.
Lack of change logs IS gogs responsibility, they are selling a product, it is for them to chase this information. Yes it is also the responsibility of dev/pub, but it certainly is not the responsibility of the consumer. Of the 23 updates I looked at last month, half had no changelog at all, most had last changes from years back, nothing on recent changes (even a link or indication of where to find changelog), and 1 had a link to a third party website. It is not my job to chase this information down.
Lack of parity, i.e. not as up to date with patches, content, etc. But yes, there are some with higher pricing here, in fact gog often is more expensive if you factor in the key market steam has.
As for the rest of it, too much social media nonsense for me to reply to, I have no idea what things like strawmanning is.
As far as I am concerned, the store is garbage, has been for years, galaxy is being forced, drm is creeping in at at angle. And no I care nothing for other people, if they don’t back up their titles it’s their fault, take some responsibility for your own existence! Gog are not getting a penny from me whilst this all remains, and CDPR certainly are not getting a penny from me after their actions. I applauded and encourage anyone who chooses to do similar. I am not here to “support” or be friends with commercial ventures, they provide what I want, or they get nothing from me, no money, no support, no recommendations etc.
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nightcraw1er.488: So yes, all being said, zero point in GOG even existing at this point it is so far removed from what it was originally and no different to other stores, so as you say, just accept what is and go buy on steam for cheaper prices, larger catalog, and actual working functionality.
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Magnitus: I wouldn't go that far. I think for the DRM-free crowd, GOG is hard to beat (all their games have a downloadable installer that will work independently of their servers... it may not have all the features or multiplayer, but you'll get something).

Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your statement. Other than the baseline behavior of providing an offline installer for all the games that are added to the store, I don't believe GOG is doing much to promote DRM-free anymore. They chose to follow, rather than lead.
Unfortunately I have found changes made to older installers to include galaxy has started to break them. Wizardry 8 for instance is broken for some users whereas the old installer works fine (also there was content removed from the new installer):
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/provide_a_full_and_complete_changelogged_download_system/page1

Unfortunately going back recreating old installers in the galaxy way (there was a thread about this a while back, can’t find it as search is broken), and adding in galaxy features - labelled as generic [WIN] internal changes, can break things and puts extra requirements on alleged offline installers. Has this been addressed, nope, there has been nothing for years now. The only thing that gets any resource or attention is galaxy. And with CDPR wanting a platform for microtransactions/online only (with the success of gwent, and with cyberpunk squarely aimed at that market) that is the way it’s going to go.
Post edited April 27, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
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nightcraw1er.488: ...
I subscribe 100%.
GOG for me is just dead.

2021 I didn't spent a cent here and, as far as things go, I can't see things changing.
Sorry to see such a promising venture shipwrecking like this.
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nightcraw1er.488: Unfortunately going back recreating old installers in the galaxy way (there was a thread about this a while back, can’t find it as search is broken), and adding in galaxy features - labelled as generic [WIN] internal changes, can break things and puts extra requirements on alleged offline installers. Has this been addressed, nope, there has been nothing for years now. The only thing that gets any resource or attention is galaxy. And with CDPR wanting a platform for microtransactions/online only (with the success of gwent, and with cyberpunk squarely aimed at that market) that is the way it’s going to go.
You mean the Galaxy.dll breaks XP-compatibility in good old games for offline installers.
I do wonder why the offline installers even need galaxy.dll to make games work?
Like Fate series that recently appeared can't work without galaxy.dll and i wonder if even more games will be affected by this. But it could be that the Fate series was just updated too much or something.
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BoycottIsFutile2: Having a new account doesn't make my ideas any less valid.
Yeah... it kinda does. If your opinion isn't even worth standing up to something as meaningless as forum rep, then it's not worth much.

Also, why would anyone be bothered enough by whether other people buy games or not from a store to make a special account just to argue against them? Just... ignore the whole thing. Unless you want GOG to have more DRM and more chinese censorship AND you're convinced the boycott is likely to work, unlike what your chosen troll name suggests, this whole thing is of no consequence to you.

Finally, I think you're breaking the rules by creating an alt account.
Post edited April 27, 2021 by Breja
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BoycottIsFutile2: ...
basically what Breja said: you are disproving your own chosen nickname by your agitation about this topic. If you really would believe that the boycott is not having any effect, you would ignore it. But you get agitated against it. Quite a lot, actually. So you percieve it as a threat, for whatever reason. A threat to your chosen store or a threat to your peace of mind because someone has a different opinion from you. In any case, you're giving this a lot of attention for something that, according to you, is futile.
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nightcraw1er.488: Unfortunately I have found changes made to older installers to include galaxy has started to break them. Wizardry 8 for instance is broken for some users whereas the old installer works fine (also there was content removed from the new installer):
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/provide_a_full_and_complete_changelogged_download_system/page1

Unfortunately going back recreating old installers in the galaxy way (there was a thread about this a while back, can’t find it as search is broken), and adding in galaxy features - labelled as generic [WIN] internal changes, can break things and puts extra requirements on alleged offline installers. Has this been addressed, nope, there has been nothing for years now. The only thing that gets any resource or attention is galaxy. And with CDPR wanting a platform for microtransactions/online only (with the success of gwent, and with cyberpunk squarely aimed at that market) that is the way it’s going to go.
Wow, thanks for that bit of info. If accurate, its definitely not good. Guess I'll have to check it out for myself after work.
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nightcraw1er.488: Unfortunately I have found changes made to older installers to include galaxy has started to break them. Wizardry 8 for instance is broken for some users whereas the old installer works fine (also there was content removed from the new installer):
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/provide_a_full_and_complete_changelogged_download_system/page1

Unfortunately going back recreating old installers in the galaxy way (there was a thread about this a while back, can’t find it as search is broken), and adding in galaxy features - labelled as generic [WIN] internal changes, can break things and puts extra requirements on alleged offline installers. Has this been addressed, nope, there has been nothing for years now. The only thing that gets any resource or attention is galaxy. And with CDPR wanting a platform for microtransactions/online only (with the success of gwent, and with cyberpunk squarely aimed at that market) that is the way it’s going to go.
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Magnitus: Wow, thanks for that bit of info. If accurate, its definitely not good. Guess I'll have to check it out for myself after work.
Yep, check it out. I had a help thread with a guy who couldn’t get wizardry 8 to run. I had an old installer and downloaded the new one and installed both, the new wouldn’t run and had missing content, the old was fine. I had it with one other game as well, can’t remember which one now. Most offline installers have now been “galaxified”, which means the installer is setup to install chunks like galaxy does, rather than straight compression. Plus they contain galaxy.dll which some games require (yes, I imagine the argument is they are null like steam.dll, so to bypass drm). Plus other files so things like online saves and achievements work. I stopped downloading newer installers for old games some time back, just in case.

Edit, just to head off the inevitable, “it’s just a mistake and will be fixed”, it’s not, it’s everything for years. No mans sky only got fixed as huge stink was kicked up about it, otherwise it would still be like it. They are either grossly incompetent (which I doubt), or simply seeing what sticks and what comes back at them.
Post edited April 27, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
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nightcraw1er.488: Edit, just to head off the inevitable, “it’s just a mistake and will be fixed”, it’s not, it’s everything for years. No mans sky only got fixed as huge stink was kicked up about it, otherwise it would still be like it. They are either grossly incompetent (which I doubt), or simply seeing what sticks and what comes back at them.
They have been doing that for years now. The attempt to bundle Galaxy with each offline installer backfired, so they put it in bit by bit instead. Just small enough not to create another big outcry, shifting the status-quo ever more into the direction of more Galaxy and more DRM.
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nightcraw1er.488: Lack of change logs IS gogs responsibility, they are selling a product, it is for them to chase this information. Yes it is also the responsibility of dev/pub, but it certainly is not the responsibility of the consumer. Of the 23 updates I looked at last month, half had no changelog at all, most had last changes from years back, nothing on recent changes (even a link or indication of where to find changelog), and 1 had a link to a third party website. It is not my job to chase this information down.
Or the change log is from the wrong game (at least last entry probably belongs to Sorcerer Kings) like here:

Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes
System: windows
Language: English
Downloads Changelog
Patch 2.4 (17 October 2018)
Features

Dwarf Lord gains access to Alchemist and other special buildings

UI

Updated font engine for high DPI display

Patch 2.1 (28 September 2017)

Updated to support 4K, 5K, and 8K screen resolutions
Custom faction abilities now have descriptions
Updated the Slow spell so that the initiative penalty is more punishing
(And the current version of FELH on GOG is 2.51...)
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Guise, did you see the recent Good News!™ thread?

All of these wonderful numbers can really only mean one thing.

We're winning, folks! They'll cave in any day now! They'll release Devotion and Detention! They will be forced to redact their dumbfuck "many messages from gamers" tweet and issue a grovelling apology! They will remove the Galaxy-exclusive singleplayer content from Cyberpunk 2077! Instead of selling Epic games through Galaxy, they'll chad up and force Epic to sell gog games! They'll strike a deal with Valve and release the DRM-free premiere of Half-Life 2 (it's already DRM-free on Steam, but - shhh! - not too many people realise that). I can't exactly remember the rest of the demands, but I'm sure they'll do all that stuff as well!

ONWARDS, FELLOW BOYCOTTERS, ON OUR MARCH TO VICTORY!
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fronzelneekburm: Guise, did you see the recent Good News!™ thread?

All of these wonderful numbers can really only mean one thing.

We're winning, folks! They'll cave in any day now! They'll release Devotion and Detention! They will be forced to redact their dumbfuck "many messages from gamers" tweet and issue a grovelling apology! They will remove the Galaxy-exclusive singleplayer content from Cyberpunk 2077! Instead of selling Epic games through Galaxy, they'll chad up and force Epic to sell gog games! They'll strike a deal with Valve and release the DRM-free premiere of Half-Life 2 (it's already DRM-free on Steam, but - shhh! - not too many people realise that). I can't exactly remember the rest of the demands, but I'm sure they'll do all that stuff as well!

ONWARDS, FELLOW BOYCOTTERS, ON OUR MARCH TO VICTORY!
It's amazing how much people can be impressed by statistically manipulated numbers.
Post edited April 28, 2021 by mrkgnao
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fronzelneekburm: Guise, did you see the recent Good News!™ thread?
...he gloats, doing a victory lap around 2020 results in a thread about 2021, motivated by an event which took place in the latter half of the preceding year's last month. Truly, the xuanchuan is strong in this one.