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Lifthrasil: They pretend that all their single-player games are not DRM-ed and leave it to the customer to find out, after buying, in which cases that was another lie.
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Andrey82: Can you provide a few examples, when single-player games on GOG were DRMed? Except Cyberpunk 2077?
Sure: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1
I thought I'd keep a record of games I would definitely have bought, were it not for the boycott.

GAMES NOT BOUGHT IN 2021
(1) 18/1/21: Dread Nautical - $10
(2) 18/1/21: Operencia: The Stolen Sun - $15
(3) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 3 Deluxe - $2.5
(4) 29/1/21: Way of the Samurai 4 + DLC - $3.5
(5) 10/2/21: Drakensang - $3
(6) 10/2/21: Commander Keen Complete Pack - $1.5
(7) 10/2/21: XCOM 2 - $4.5
(8) 26/2/21: Cardaclysm: Shards of the Four - $9
(9) 22/3/21: Raji: An Ancient Epic - $12.5
(10) 30/3/21: Worms World Party Remastered - $2
(11) 2/4/21: Steel Rats Original Soundtrack - $1

Total so far: $64.5
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derwendelin: All the best to you!

phil
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Lifthrasil: Thank you for your help in keeping the thread visible by posting here.
Scared about the visibility - I assumed this one. Well. you are welcome.

I recently bought:

Lego Batman 2!

Great game!

All the best to you!

phil
Post edited April 02, 2021 by derwendelin
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Andrey82: I don't get it, why western people so upset with Devotion situation? There is whole cancel culture in the West right now when people get a lot of problems IRL if activists think that this person wrote something wrong on Twitter. People got their сareers ruined, their reputations destroyed. After all, in China, there are strict rules and in the USA you can get into big trouble basically for anything. So, why are you upset with the Devotion situation? I thought after Trump's situation with censorship, you're used to this kind of thing by now?
Yeah, I get a lot of those vibes from people. All black or white. Either you're a bastion of the free world or you're tyrannical scum of the worst kind. There is electricity in the air from the sheer amount of polarisation.

There are a whole set of nuances here that are lost on a lot of people.

For example, that China might feel a need to censor partly because most of the biggest most influential tech companies (ex: Google, Facebook, etc) are in the US. Of course, the US government can reign in US companies (ex: Facebook after the election scandal), but China doesn't have such recourse against foreign companies (especially since they are not in the best of terms with the US and don't really share the same values).

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Truth007: It hurts him to see people aren't buying from a dying company like gog.
I never got the vibe that GOG was dying.

In terms of "sudden death", the only thing I'd be worried about is the parent company haemorrhaging money after a series of bad releases. Game development is not exactly known to be the most stable of businesses to be in.

Big bucks to be made when you hit the target, but major losses when you miss.
Post edited April 03, 2021 by Magnitus
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Andrey82: I don't get it, why western people so upset with Devotion situation? There is whole cancel culture in the West right now
That's like saying one shouldn't get upset about burglars breaking into his house because car theft is also a thing that happens.
Post edited April 03, 2021 by Breja
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Andrey82: I don't get it, why western people so upset with Devotion situation? There is whole cancel culture in the West right now when people get a lot of problems IRL
You've got kind of a point, and personally I don't care much for the "New Cold War" vibes discernible in some comments here. Still, it's rather troubling that China (or Chinese "gamers") can apparently block the release of a game globally (!), not just within China (which would be an internal matter I wouldn't care about). And Gog's behaviour in this whole affair has just been terrible, completely intransparent and an insult to the intelligence of their customers.
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Andrey82: I don't get it, why western people so upset with Devotion situation? There is whole cancel culture in the West right now when people get a lot of problems IRL if activists think that this person wrote something wrong on Twitter. People got their сareers ruined, their reputations destroyed. After all, in China, there are strict rules and in the USA you can get into big trouble basically for anything. So, why are you upset with the Devotion situation? I thought after Trump's situation with censorship, you're used to this kind of thing by now?
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Magnitus: Yeah, I get a lot of those vibes from people. All black or white. Either you're a bastion of the free world or you're tyrannical scum of the worst kind. There is electricity in the air from the sheer amount of polarisation.

There are a whole set of nuances here that are lost on a lot of people.

For example, that China might feel a need to censor partly because most of the biggest most influential tech companies (ex: Google, Facebook, etc) are in the US. Of course, the US government can reign in US companies (ex: Facebook after the election scandal), but China doesn't have such recourse against foreign companies (especially since they are not in the best of terms with the US and don't really share the same values).
From my POV speaking for myself none of this makes any sense. The "upset with Devotion" (and other things) comes from GOG canceling Devotion (and CDP censoring stuff, etc). Its not because GOG groveled to specifically CCP. Its (the legally unnecessary) groveling to the detriment of "freedom of expression" which is the point - not who the master is that GOG bows before.
Then add deceptive statements or no statements like the "many gamers" thing.
This is cancel/censorship culture in action. So why would anybody against such culture not be against such behavior? Or rephrasing: I think you got this all wrong and its rather the other way round - (some) people are "upset" exactly because these things are sabotaging contemporary western societies and dont want to see them here at GOG too.

And about the "black and white": I dont see any white - where is it?
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Zrevnur: From my POV speaking for myself none of this makes any sense. The "upset with Devotion" (and other things) comes from GOG canceling Devotion (and CDP censoring stuff, etc). Its not because GOG groveled to specifically CCP. Its (the legally unnecessary) groveling to the detriment of "freedom of expression" which is the point - not who the master is that GOG bows before.
Then add deceptive statements or no statements like the "many gamers" thing.
This is cancel/censorship culture in action. So why would anybody against such culture not be against such behavior? Or rephrasing: I think you got this all wrong and its rather the other way round - (some) people are "upset" exactly because these things are sabotaging contemporary western societies and dont want to see them here at GOG too.

And about the "black and white": I dont see any white - where is it?
I think it is precicely because China was involved that this incident caused such an upset. I think we see what we want to see and chose where to put emphasis.

But sure, lets break it down why not?

- The makers of devotion called a world leader an idiot. Error in judgment #1 (which people conveniently overlook, I think they shouldn't). Should there have been some repercusion? Yeah, I think so. To the extent that it did? Probably not.
- An egotistical dictator takes a personal insult a step too far (notice that I'm not blaming China as a whole here, some people are). Yeah, a wiser person would have made a more measured response. I guess you'd call that an error in judgment, though we probably shouldn't expect anything better here. This is the baseline behavior.
- GOG announces a game that is a political loaded gun without thinking it through. Error in judgment #3 (they never should have announced it).
- GOG choses its Chinese customers over an obscure game. Sound business decision. Lets recall that they are a business, not a democracy advocacy group (some people are upset by that?)
- I honestly don't know what kind of message they should have sent at this point that would have made it half alright. I tend to speak my mind and tell it like I see it, but it also tends to get me into trouble so perhaps I'm not the best advocate here.
- Bunch of people get upset that a corporation wasn't secretly "democracy watch" in disguise

Is world democracy in peril? I think not (well, it always kind of is, but not because of this, the biggest threat to democracy always come from within)

The incident was very targeted (insult on Chinese presidents), the principal affected actor is close to China and heavily affected by them (and frankly should have known better, though for sure they did not deserve that much of a blowback). The other actor is a corporation and definitely not a substitute for democracy ("voting with your wallet" is an unfortunate saying... its an extremely poor substitute to actual voting).

The guy at the head of China will be around for another 1-2 decades I guess. This is a pro of democracy where we usually have a chance to rotate those guys every ~4 years, though its not perfect, occasionally, a demagogue will get in power and subvert the democracy (there was an unfortunate incidence of that in your country quite some time ago, then we had Venezuela with Chavez, Trump tried really hard, but thankfully failed though he had an unsettling number of supporters... bunch of other such incidents and many more close calls, it seems nobody is safe from that cr*p, lets call it an unfortunate side effect of the human condition?).

Its all very unfortunate. A lot of poor judgement here to go around. I'll be honest, I don't feel particularly threatened or affected by this particular incident (its a single obscure game and if Canadian democracy is shot to bits, we'll do it to ourselves... it will happen at some point in the future, to be sure, its all very depressingly cyclical... a good thing just doesn't seem to last, anywhere really).

Anyways, if you were just in it to support GOG with your wallet because you were operating under the belief that it was the second coming of Christ (as opposed to, you know, doing it for the games). Yeah, for sure, stop right now (though you should never have started). If you're under the impression that gog turned into some villain, I have sad news for you: The gaming industry is mostly run by corporations. They'll follow the money every single time (you can actually depend on them doing it). If you want to enforce values beyond that, try to lobby your local political representative I guess? The laws often start there.
Post edited April 03, 2021 by Magnitus
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samuraigaiden: I'll say one thing. If a random user starts using my forums or my social media posts comment section to call for a boycott of my company or my products, I would ban that user in a hear beat. Clearly GOG is a lot more tolerant.
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jorlin: That kind of behaviour would probably result in a shit storm on social media platforms.
I don't use any of the established social media platforms except maybe YT.
And I'm also disappointed in GOG. They are violating the GDPR by placing unwanted cookies and the quality of support has taken a nose dive of late, especially when it comes to Linux support.
Time for a proper offline backup.
@Time4Tea: Please feel free to add me to the list of people that are sympathetic to the concept of a boycott.
Then that user could get screenshots of the overreaction and attack on free speech and weild it against the company on somewhere like reddit.
On top of this they could create a new account and simply use something like binary to hide their message behind a minimum of effort which mods are unlikely to spend and if they do their job effectively ends up grinding their work to a halt playing wack a mole.
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Andrey82: I don't get it, why western people so upset with Devotion situation?
If you don't see a problem when the shitheads from other country says what you can buy or not...
A few years ago, I bought games on GOG even when I already owned them on Steam (from bundles, etc). Now, it's the other way round. Galaxy played a major role in this decision, if I have to use a client anyway, I rather use one that works. I miss the days of weekly rereleases of classic games instead of some AAA games and indie stuff. Now there are few good old games released, especially ones that weren't already on other platforms or release there at the same time.
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Cadaver747: Region locked games in Germany can't be redeemed via worldwide gift code in GOG.
Fixed 2 days ago, confirmed by GOG staff.
Sticking to my word of boycotting GOG, even in full spring sales

The CP2077 scam patch reinforced my decision.
I have more than 1200 games on this platform but I really struggle recognizing this place from the strong beginnings.
Post edited April 03, 2021 by OldOldGamer
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Magnitus: - I honestly don't know what kind of message they should have sent at this point that would have made it half alright.
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How about honesty? "We had to pull the game, for financial reasons" or even more directly: "we were forced to pull the game because otherwise we would have lost access to the Chinese market"

Those are reasons that many might not like, but almost everyone would understand. GOG is a business after all.
Instead GOG pretended to have gotten many messages from "gamers" - without being able to provide even one of those messages. That is an insult to all gamers. A pretense that 'we' wanted the game to be removed. Or an assumption that we're stupid enough to swallow such a transparent lie.

Basically GOG decided to handle the entire thing in the most inane way possible.
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Lifthrasil: How about honesty? "We had to pull the game, for financial reasons" or even more directly: "we were forced to pull the game because otherwise we would have lost access to the Chinese market"

Those are reasons that many might not like, but almost everyone would understand. GOG is a business after all.
Instead GOG pretended to have gotten many messages from "gamers" - without being able to provide even one of those messages. That is an insult to all gamers. A pretense that 'we' wanted the game to be removed. Or an assumption that we're stupid enough to swallow such a transparent lie.

Basically GOG decided to handle the entire thing in the most inane way possible.
I think tactful honesty is the right path (as in, it will yield the best overall result for the most people).

However, at an individual or even organisation level, honesty can set you back. People get attached to their fictions. The truth can sometimes require uncomfortable adaptations.

My experience with corporate settings is that people, especially those in position of leadership, are often dishonest. I disagree with it, but I understand why they do it.

Sometimes, you have a business model that cannot survive unless some pretences are kept. I think such businesses should just be allowed collapse, for something stronger to take their place, but its a hard pill to swallow when you are the one affected.

Anyhow, I don't think its quite the case with GOG.com here, but they definitely cultivated an image of being extremely gamer-friendly over the years (almost a "by gamers, for gamers" motto) and obviously from some of the strong reaction we're seeing, a lot of people bought into that. So yeah, I think there was bound to be backlash over this.

I think it was deceitful to cultivate that image to such a degree to begin with, but truth be told, I'm not a marketing guy for a reason and they probably wouldn't be as profitable if they hadn't done it. So yeah, truth is better overall, but it can definitely set you back. There's a reason why many people are not very truthful.
Post edited April 03, 2021 by Magnitus