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Anime-BlackWolf: So yeah. If GOG goes under, the "drm-free gaming party" is over. I will not touch ZOOM with a pointy stick, do not rust them A BIT. Selling delisted games is almost like acting as a warez site. WILL NEVER PAY FOR WAREZ.
There is a thread here dedicated to discussing Zoom Platform and there has been quite a bit of discussion there about whether or not they are legitimate. As far as I have seen, no-one who has made accusations of them selling games illegitimately has been able to provide a single piece of evidence to back it up. So, I challenge you, if you think they are not legit, to please prove it. Otherwise, it is just baseless suspicion.

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arthurdecastro: To GOG: I don't hate you, I'm only afraid that you may lost your way. I've been a loyal client, buying only here since 2015, and I wish we can keep that relationship.
Thanks for your post. I think it was really well-written and I share many of your sentiments.
Post edited February 27, 2021 by Time4Tea
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Enebias: Your points are all factual, nothing can be denied.
I hate the fact that GOG is the only place with a really solid library, though. I'd totally boycott it as well -both for a matter of principle and on a personal level for the recent awfulness of customer support and the god forsaken "community", but as somebody who refuses any kind of DRM I really don't have much choice. Granted, I bought only Commander Keen in 2021, but since I have no backlog I wonder when my next purchase will be.

I dislike CDP as much as I dislike any corporation -which means A LOT, and yet I love videogames and I want to suppoprt the small fishes (developers, for sure not big publishers).
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mrkgnao: I agree completely. The reason GOG can act the way they do, is exactly because they are effectively a monopoly.

Boycotts and strikes, which are the primary methods of breaking a monopoly, are true only if you pay some personal price for them, such as resisting the temptation to buy that newly-released game (e.g. in my case, today, Cardaclysm).

As for not having a backlog, if I may be so bold, at a rate of 100+ games a year, if you just decide to replay games you haven't touched in, say, the last three years, you can still have years of boycott ahead of you.

But I'm not trying to push you. It's a personal decision that needs to be made on one's own. And any path is valid.
It's just sad how big the monopoly safety net has gotten in the gaming industry as a whole these days, as well as how many people gather together to hold it...
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Enebias: Well, I have many very replayable games among those I already completed, that's a fair point.
All right, I guess it's time for me to join the "movement", then! It's really time things here start to improve, and apparently the only language the heads understand is money.
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mrkgnao: +1 and welcome aboard.

Grim Dawn, here I come...
You need an expert in Grim Dawn? You found it!
I honestly don't want to know how much time I spent on it, I'd probably have a shock.
I'm glad to see this post still going somewhat strong after all this time. I came to see if GoG decided to pull their heads out of Whinnies behind, to no avail :(

Keep strong guys, if we move the bottom line, they will listen.
May I offer a silly meme that also states an opinion I'm starting to have in these trying times?
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Post edited March 01, 2021 by WeirdoGeek
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WeirdoGeek: May I offer a silly meme that also states an opinion I'm starting to have in these trying times?
I don't know the first thing about publishing deals, but let's assume for a second the Mainland China-based publisher had some sort of exclusive deal for releasing the game on Steam. Said publisher has now lost its business license and has basically ceased to exist. So, if the publishing rights lie with a dead company, wouldn't that mean that these publishing rights are caught in limbo?
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fronzelneekburm: So, if the publishing rights lie with a dead company, wouldn't that mean that these publishing rights are caught in limbo?
Maybe. That depends on several factors. Were the publishing rights exclusive, for example? What are the regulations in case the publisher can't fulfill their end of the publishing deal? Also this is China we are talking about and I don't know what special rules and regulations apply there.

Actually, what I probably would do if I were Red Candle is 'accidentally' leak the game and officially abandon it. Then it could be shared through abandonware sites and similar. They aren't going to make money with it anyhow, as things look right now. So they might as well abandon it to spite Xinnie.
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fronzelneekburm: So, if the publishing rights lie with a dead company, wouldn't that mean that these publishing rights are caught in limbo?
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Lifthrasil: Maybe. That depends on several factors. Were the publishing rights exclusive, for example? What are the regulations in case the publisher can't fulfill their end of the publishing deal? Also this is China we are talking about and I don't know what special rules and regulations apply there.

Actually, what I probably would do if I were Red Candle is 'accidentally' leak the game and officially abandon it. Then it could be shared through abandonware sites and similar. They aren't going to make money with it anyhow, as things look right now. So they might as well abandon it to spite Xinnie.
I think the whole point is to make sure that the game cannot be sold anywhere, at least that is how it feels. Even if the offending material no longer exists within the product, apparently they must pay the price. Kinda a scorched earth sort of deal. Actually shocked that Detention hasn't been attacked in the same manner.

They really need to stay vigilant with getting a proper release out, because this waiting a full year after being pulled shit isn't doing Red Candle any favors. I imagine if they tried to host it themselves the site would be ddos'd to death in spite. The controversy surrounding it is just that petty.
Haven't bought anything on GOG in January and February. The last time I hadn't bought anything here for two whole months was in 2016.
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mrkgnao: Haven't bought anything on GOG in January and February. The last time I hadn't bought anything here for two whole months was in 2016.
Keep up the good work. I would love to know how the revenue from GOG's desired new audience compares to the old-school-minded users who generally seem to be buyers of many many games here, as I don't think the former consumes as heavily.
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WeirdoGeek: May I offer a silly meme that also states an opinion I'm starting to have in these trying times?
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fronzelneekburm: I don't know the first thing about publishing deals, but let's assume for a second the Mainland China-based publisher had some sort of exclusive deal for releasing the game on Steam. Said publisher has now lost its business license and has basically ceased to exist. So, if the publishing rights lie with a dead company, wouldn't that mean that these publishing rights are caught in limbo?
I would think said dead company would want to sell these rights to someone who CAN put them to use, then. Seeing as they can't do anything with them anymore. I'm pretty sure when this started some indie publishers offered their services.
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mrkgnao: Haven't bought anything on GOG in January and February. The last time I hadn't bought anything here for two whole months was in 2016.
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rjbuffchix: Keep up the good work. I would love to know how the revenue from GOG's desired new audience compares to the old-school-minded users who generally seem to be buyers of many many games here, as I don't think the former consumes as heavily.
Thank you.
Here's my list of number of games bought:

Feb: 1 Wishlisted at 50% off
Jan: 1 wishlisted at full price, and one at 50% off
Dec: 0
Nov: 1 Wishlisted at 50% off
^-Start of the boycott & my milder one-^
Oct: 1 at full price, 8 at 50-80% off
Sep: 2 at full price, 18 at 50-80% off
Aug: 1 at full price, 29 at 50-80% off
Jul: 26 at 50-80% off
Jun: 1 at full price, 13 at 50-80% off
May: 3 at full price, 37 at 50-80% off

...That should be far enough back to establish a pattern..

I've still got one wishlisted game that is a must buy, but only mildy interested in my 3 others.
The list sure got shorter once I started my boycott.

And to re-iterate. I'm doing this for several reasons.
Lied about and removed a game due to Chinese government pressure.
Keeps pushing Galaxy.
Edging more and more into DRM'd games.
Made a deal with Epic to sell DRM'd games through Galaxy.
Are slow in updating offline installers and patches.
...Probably more important stuff I'm currently forgetting..I'm like that..
Well, since everybody is doing it, I might as well join with a list of games not bought...

-Breathedge
-Foregone
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mrkgnao: Haven't bought anything on GOG in January and February. The last time I hadn't bought anything here for two whole months was in 2016.
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rjbuffchix: Keep up the good work. I would love to know how the revenue from GOG's desired new audience compares to the old-school-minded users who generally seem to be buyers of many many games here, as I don't think the former consumes as heavily.
I wouldn't be tooo optimistic about the kind of sway the oldskool crowd holds here. Maybe someone can back me up on that, but IIRC there have been past quarterly reports that effectively stated that gog's main source of income have been GWENT microtransactions. It sucks, but it is what it is.

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WeirdoGeek: I would think said dead company would want to sell these rights to someone who CAN put them to use, then. Seeing as they can't do anything with them anymore. I'm pretty sure when this started some indie publishers offered their services.
I guess that depends on a) how feasible that is in the first place and b) whether they hold a grudge against Red Candle.