I don't think you're changing anyone's opinion. Regardless of what YOU think about the matters, these are serious promises GOG made and then broke for very foolish reasons. I don't want a future where trolls can get a game pulled just by bitching. Also, if we let this slide then other game companies are going to take note and do it themselves.

We need to start standing up to bad business like this or we'll just see it getting worse.

So what will you do if the expansion has DRM?

Many gamers.

Some of us still use Windows 7.

1. I'll be on your side in that case

2. To the detriment to gamers like me who feel we did not need a GOG client and preferred this being a store selling offline installers

3. I do too, but I am just considering the future in the event where I have to upgrade to Windows 10 and so on

I'm glad to hear that by then you will realise that boycotts work. Better late than never.

The only difference is that the people in this thread would rather that this event (expansion with DRM) and similar ones never happen, so they are boycotting now in order to prevent them from happening, rather than closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. Hopefully, their efforts will bear fruit and the expansion will indeed be fully DRM-free. You don't have to thank them --- they are glad to do it and really appreciate your support.

P.S. "Many gamers" was a joke...

After yesterday i did not think that we would agree in many points.

1. I dont care for the game per se, I do care about the circumstances it's release got stopped on gog.
2. I don't think the games should be removed (No Man's sky can be put off the list anyway since the last update removed the DRM) but games like these shouldn't be added in the first place. Now they are here, let the people buy it who want it and the rest can stay away from it. But for the future stay true to the 100% DRM free policy and do not add games who violate it.
3. I dont care for cosmetics, I dont need them in games. Shitty move non the less.
4. The Epic deal contains an agreement with EPIC that you can buy certain games through the GOG Galay launcher which are Epic exclusives.
5. We didn't ask for it. But here we are.
6. Yes keep the offline installers up to date so Galaxy stays truely optional.

There are definitely patterns, but very few are universal.

One of the most common, though, is naturally tending toward extremes (such as "everyone is the same" or "everyone is unique") until reality teaches you not to.

This is just my opinion, but I think none of that can ever absolve GOG of responsibility to their customers, because:
* It's on GOG to decide what can and cannot go on their store
* It's on GOG to decide what can and cannot go in their Galaxy client
* It's on GOG to enforce such rules (or to bend them, as they see fit)
* It's on GOG to manage their own servers
* It's on GOG to decide how tough they are when making deals with developers and publishers
* It's on GOG to decide how transparent they are toward their end users
etc.

EDIT: Added emphasis in quotes to clarify my point.


But also true, I believe.

So your solution is to just give up? Yes, that's the way far too many people think. 'I can't change anything on my own, so I will just do nothing.' ... In that way, lots of evils can be conveniently ignored without having to do something about your own behaviour.

But in my opinion the better way is to do what one can for the things that one wants to see changed. Will my boycott change the way GOG operates? No. But at least I don't support their new anti-customer practices. If more people would act this way, spending money only on things they actually want to support, the corporations would have to adapt.
But if everyone thinks like you do, corporations and governments will get away with anything because 'one can't change it anyhow'.

Also, like mrkgnao said, it changes a lot for me. It is actually quite liberating. I don't feel the need to check every sale whether I might miss something - I know I won't buy anything anyhow. So GOG can make all the sales they want, my wallet is now immune to their attacks. Which is a nice side-effect of the boycott, since I have enough games to last for the next 40 years anyhow.


Don't worry. It was already removed from The List.

Before GOG announced galaxy, I don't remember anyone asking for a client. Do you?

I believe most GOG users do play through galaxy nowadays and I believe most of them are comfortable with it, but I don't think it was asked for by them. It was GOG's initiative.

There is this:
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/steam_like_client_program_for_gog_drm_free_games_and_bonus_content

I'll readily admit it's possible Galaxy had already been announced before that point. I didn't pay much attention to such ideas at the time.

Great list, btw. And I am not worried at all:) thx for keeping it uptodate

It was created (2012) before the announcement of galaxy (2014). However, it's impossible to say how many people voted on it before the announcement and how many after. What can be said is that if you read the comments, most of them are negative or extremely negative.

EDIT: I checked the Wayback Machine and about 3,000 people voted for it before GOG's announcement. Which is indeed "many gamers". I stand corrected.

Right here is what infuriates me about your arguments against the boycott, they're entirely selfish. The "it doesn't affect me so it's not a problem" excuse, plugging your ears and ignoring the bigger picture. Whether you want Devotion or not is irrelevant, it's the reasons for the removal and the precedents set by it that truly matter. Just because you don't feel affected right now, doesn't mean the actions GOG are taking won't bite you in the ass later down the road.

Also this 'protests don't work, so why bother' attitude, whether it's born of laziness, ignorance or simply black pilled defeatism, this line of thinking helps no one and only leads to self fulfilling prophecy.

And yet GOG is now quite happy to ignore nearly 9000 votes for Devotion, one gets the feeling the client wishlist entry could have had zero votes and Galaxy would have still happened all the same.

Actually I do. There were some threads about it popping up again and again. (But they weren't met with universal enthusiasm and agreement.)

GOG did ask its userbase about it back then, when they would still listen to the actual, international GOG community, not "many gamers". Don't you remember the big survey they did? The demand for a client was part of that, and supposedly there were enough participants who expressed interest in in back then, although they never showed us the actual figures, of course.

I do remember the survey, but I don't remember that question. However, my memory is certainly not what it used to be, so I'm sure you're right.