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Elmofongo: I take it your like me? You wish for more Classic PC games of yore here like Mechwarrior and Half-Life?
Not at all. I do play old and new games alike, and I would even say I tend to prefer newer games.

What I wish for are trivial things like having my games kept up to date even if I don't use galaxy, or knowing that if I buy I game I will not have to be connected to the internet in order to fully enjoy it in single-player mode. It used to be the case on GOG; it no longer is, so I no longer buy here.

They could fix both --- by investing resources in maintaining offline installers, and by clearly marking games that require single-player internet connection or authentication --- but they decided not to do so.
Post edited February 16, 2021 by mrkgnao
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Elmofongo: Mabye I never got to upset with all of this because I honestly don't care about this Devotion game.

If this was a game that I did care for, yes I would have been on your side.
That's similar to saying that you don't care about suppression of free speech, as long as it someone else's speech. The problem is, the concept of freedom can't be applied on an 'a la carte' or case-by-case basis. Freedom only makes sense if it applies equally and indiscriminately to everyone. If you don't support people who are making a stand against a game they are interested in that is being suppressed now, why should they support you, if/when it is a game you care about being suppressed the next time? Sorry, but freedom isn't like some switch you can turn on only when it suits you.

Even if you don't care about this game and don't want to support the boycott, fine. Just ignore it then and don't take part. In what way are we inconveniencing you by standing up for something that we care about? Is it so difficult for you to simply not read a forum topic?

Also, let's not forget what has been pointed out many times in this thread: this boycott is not just about Devotion. That is just one of many issues that people are fed up with.
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Time4Tea: That's similar to saying that you don't care about suppression of free speech, as long as it someone else's speech. The problem is, the concept of freedom can't be applied on an 'a la carte' or case-by-case basis.
You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Post edited February 17, 2021 by Breja
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Time4Tea: That's similar to saying that you don't care about suppression of free speech, as long as it someone else's speech. The problem is, the concept of freedom can't be applied on an 'a la carte' or case-by-case basis.
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Breja: You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I just watched that episode last night.
as long as they have offline installers, they'll have my patronage. the day that changes is the day i stop buying games from here.
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MaceyNeil: I think the going premise is they need new customers via scandal advertisement
1.With such tactic they are guaranteed to eventually run out of potential customers. There is only so many people in this worldline, and only fraction of them are potential customers.
2.This isn't some sort of insurance company or car wash. Customer rotation here will only lead to rampant customer dissatisfaction and PR worsening over time.

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MaceyNeil: try to move along the old who have completed all the purchases they are likely to buy so they don't have the operating cost to support them
Excuce me, did GOG suddenly stop releasing new games (as in new on GOG, not neccesarily "new")?
Do you think people get in here, make their wishlist, buy everything in few batches and never come back?
Do you even understand the concept of a loyal customer?

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Elmofongo: Mabye I never got to upset with all of this because I honestly don't care about this Devotion game.
If this was a game that I did care for, yes I would have been on your side.
Ah yes, the usual, "the bad thing in question does not affect ME DIRECTLY so I will let this slide"...
It's entirely your choice to turn your head away until you eventually end up seeing "too much" turn into shit, at which point you will MAYBE open your eyes and realize this is about PRINCIPLES, or maybe you will dwelve deeper into ignorance.

Also this boycott isn't just about the game's case. Please take your time to familiarize yourself with OP post instead of walzing into the conversation like if it consists of only the last few pages.

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Elmofongo: I blame this shift on the market in general and the ever increasing connectivity to the Internet
"I blame this one nishe shop originally willing to do their own thing independently and going against trends and then breaking their core principles, on other shops doing the opposite to this shop".
"I blame this shop selling shittier potatoes due to them changing their cashiers to insert-e-pay-name-here".
Please...

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Elmofongo: Despite having DRM-Free options, I'm still seeing people buying games that GOG has on Steam anyway. I fear there might be more people that owned Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 on Steam then GOG users. And I think its all due to the convenience of having your games in a client, instead of hording a bunch of installers in a folder or something. Especially that updating games via clients is a smoother system then updating Offline Installers.

But then what the hell GOG Galaxy offers if they don't offer DRM Free Offline Installers anymore? (Which you can get via Galaxy as well) What I can play installed GOG games from Galaxy without having to turn on and log into Galaxy?
1.Galaxy is Windows-only, also having higher system requirements than many old games (thus reducing playability IF you want to play WITH Galaxy), browser downloads are platform independent
2.Hand over your secret NDA sales data if you feel so confident about your teacup predictions
3.Your convenience is another man's inconvenience. Stop bullshitting about how you think it's more convenient IN GENERAL
4.GOG is ADVERTISING Galaxy as "ALWAYS optional".

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Elmofongo: Because other Game clients forces you to activate the client even when you click on the desktop icon of a game.
Ah yes, "let's put everybody in the same bag pretending they are all the same".

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Elmofongo: Half-Life
Dream some more...
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Elmofongo: I take it your like me? You wish for more Classic PC games of yore here like Mechwarrior and Half-Life?
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mrkgnao: Not at all. I do play old and new games alike, and I would even say I tend to prefer newer games.

What I wish for are trivial things like having my games kept up to date even if I don't use galaxy, or knowing that if I buy I game I will not have to be connected to the internet in order to fully enjoy it in single-player mode. It used to be the case on GOG; it no longer is, so I no longer buy here.

They could fix both --- by investing resources in maintaining offline installers, and by clearly marking games that require single-player internet connection or authentication --- but they decided not to do so.
This is the reason I am choosing to no longer purchase games from GOG. I am fed up with people like me who wish to use offline installers getting the shaft. For example, HuniePop 2's 1.0.3 is live on Galaxy, but the offline installer version is still stuck at 1.0.0. I know in some cases it's the dev's fault, but all the time, with every game?

If I am going to be forced to use a client, I will just go back to Steam. At least they have a larger game catalogue.
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Slick_JMista: as long as they have offline installers, they'll have my patronage. the day that changes is the day i stop buying games from here.
Do you care whether these offline installers are up to date (vis-a-vis galaxy) or not? Because a fair amount of games are up to date only on galaxy and not in the offline installer, and the number is growing daily.
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MaceyNeil: I think the going premise is they need new customers via scandal advertisement
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B1tF1ghter: 1.With such tactic they are guaranteed to eventually run out of potential customers. There is only so many people in this worldline, and only fraction of them are potential customers.
2.This isn't some sort of insurance company or car wash. Customer rotation here will only lead to rampant customer dissatisfaction and PR worsening over time.

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MaceyNeil: try to move along the old who have completed all the purchases they are likely to buy so they don't have the operating cost to support them
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B1tF1ghter: Excuce me, did GOG suddenly stop releasing new games (as in new on GOG, not neccesarily "new")?
Do you think people get in here, make their wishlist, buy everything in few batches and never come back?
Do you even understand the concept of a loyal customer?

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Elmofongo: Mabye I never got to upset with all of this because I honestly don't care about this Devotion game.
If this was a game that I did care for, yes I would have been on your side.
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B1tF1ghter: Ah yes, the usual, "the bad thing in question does not affect ME DIRECTLY so I will let this slide"...
It's entirely your choice to turn your head away until you eventually end up seeing "too much" turn into shit, at which point you will MAYBE open your eyes and realize this is about PRINCIPLES, or maybe you will dwelve deeper into ignorance.

Also this boycott isn't just about the game's case. Please take your time to familiarize yourself with OP post instead of walzing into the conversation like if it consists of only the last few pages.

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Elmofongo: I blame this shift on the market in general and the ever increasing connectivity to the Internet
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B1tF1ghter: "I blame this one nishe shop originally willing to do their own thing independently and going against trends and then breaking their core principles, on other shops doing the opposite to this shop".
"I blame this shop selling shittier potatoes due to them changing their cashiers to insert-e-pay-name-here".
Please...

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Elmofongo: Despite having DRM-Free options, I'm still seeing people buying games that GOG has on Steam anyway. I fear there might be more people that owned Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 on Steam then GOG users. And I think its all due to the convenience of having your games in a client, instead of hording a bunch of installers in a folder or something. Especially that updating games via clients is a smoother system then updating Offline Installers.

But then what the hell GOG Galaxy offers if they don't offer DRM Free Offline Installers anymore? (Which you can get via Galaxy as well) What I can play installed GOG games from Galaxy without having to turn on and log into Galaxy?
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B1tF1ghter: 1.Galaxy is Windows-only, also having higher system requirements than many old games (thus reducing playability IF you want to play WITH Galaxy), browser downloads are platform independent
2.Hand over your secret NDA sales data if you feel so confident about your teacup predictions
3.Your convenience is another man's inconvenience. Stop bullshitting about how you think it's more convenient IN GENERAL
4.GOG is ADVERTISING Galaxy as "ALWAYS optional".

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Elmofongo: Because other Game clients forces you to activate the client even when you click on the desktop icon of a game.
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B1tF1ghter: Ah yes, "let's put everybody in the same bag pretending they are all the same".

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Elmofongo: Half-Life
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B1tF1ghter: Dream some more...
"Your convenience is another man's inconvenience"

"let's put everybody in the same bag pretending they are all the same".

Everyone's such a unique snowflake individual huh? Clearly is no patterns and consistencies in people huh?
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Firefox31780: This is the reason I am choosing to no longer purchase games from GOG. I am fed up with people like me who wish to use offline installers getting the shaft. For example, HuniePop 2's 1.0.3 is live on Galaxy, but the offline installer version is still stuck at 1.0.0. I know in some cases it's the dev's fault, but all the time, with every game?
I may be wrong, but I believe if the game is up-to-date on galaxy, but not in the offline installer, then it's almost always GOG's fault.

When it comes to updating galaxy, it's sometimes up to the dev to do it and sometimes up to GOG. But when it comes to the offline installers, only GOG creates these, either manually or automatically. So as soon as the files are on galaxy, nothing should prevent GOG from creating the offline installers --- well, nothing except a biased set of priorities.
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Elmofongo: Mabye I never got to upset with all of this because I honestly don't care about this Devotion game.

If this was a game that I did care for, yes I would have been on your side.
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rjbuffchix: There are some here boycotting for reasons completely unrelated to that game. Myself, for instance. I care about the shift away from DRM-free offline installers...that is it. I know at least one other user has specifically said they are boycotting for similar reasons and do not care about Devotion. Devotion may be a big thing for a lot of people but it is not the be-all end-all of this boycotting.
Me too, in a certain way. I'm not particularly fond of either horror or FPP games, so it's unlikely I would buy Devotion in short term (that is, unless under an unbelievably compelling discount). But the freedom that is being denied today is much more important than the game itself. So like Time4Tea said, I am joining my voice knowing that if I simply decide this does not concern me sooner or later it will happen to something that DOES concern me.

This naturally puts me in the awkward position that if Gog does release Devotion I will have to buy a game I would usually leave for a very good sale. Not buying after Gog goes back would be hypocritical of me. That is fine tho, it's a small price to pay for the desired outcome. As I said before, protesters usually have to endure some inconveniences for the result they campaign for.

But just like you, my MAIN beef is the erosion of the DRM-free principle.
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Fender_178: No don't add me to the list. I am giving up responding to this thread.
I don't support the Boycott. Delete my name from it.
Ok, no problem. Done and sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Time4Tea: That's similar to saying that you don't care about suppression of free speech, as long as it someone else's speech. The problem is, the concept of freedom can't be applied on an 'a la carte' or case-by-case basis.
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Breja: You know, there are some words I've known since I was a schoolboy: "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
That's a great link! Picard has to be one of the most intelligent people in the galaxy (even though he is fictional).

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Slick_JMista: as long as they have offline installers, they'll have my patronage. the day that changes is the day i stop buying games from here.
By that point, it might be too late.
Post edited February 17, 2021 by Time4Tea
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1) Release Devotion immediately.
2) Remove Gwent, No Man's Sky, Absolver (and any other DRMed games) from the store.
3) Remove DRM from the bonus cosmetics in Cyberpunk.
4) Cancel the deal with Epic.
5) Stop providing free games/incentives only to Galaxy users.
6) Assign adequate resources to maintenance of the offline installers.

1. Don't care if gets release here or not.
2. Don't care if those games stay or not
3. Shitty move, but in the end for me they are just cosmetics, completely optional thing, even if they were cosmetics that look interesting to me. Now if its Expansion content that gets DRM, that's a problem for me.
4. No idea what's going on there.
5. Mabye we should not have Galaxy at all? Who asked for a GOG Client to begin with?
6. Please do for more relevant/modern games and update older games for modern hardware. I think some installers are still with Windows 7 in mind.
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Elmofongo: 1) Release Devotion immediately.
2) Remove Gwent, No Man's Sky, Absolver (and any other DRMed games) from the store.
3) Remove DRM from the bonus cosmetics in Cyberpunk.
4) Cancel the deal with Epic.
5) Stop providing free games/incentives only to Galaxy users.
6) Assign adequate resources to maintenance of the offline installers.

1. Don't care if gets release here or not.
2. Don't care if those games stay or not
3. Shitty move, but in the end for me they are just cosmetics, completely optional thing, even if they were cosmetics that look interesting to me. Now if its Expansion content that gets DRM, that's a problem for me.
4. No idea what's going on there.
5. Mabye we should not have Galaxy at all? Who asked for a GOG Client to begin with?
6. Please do for more relevant/modern games and update older games for modern hardware. I think some installers are still with Windows 7 in mind.
Why exactly are you here?