Posted December 22, 2015
Navagon
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Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815 Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Dec 2012
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Posted December 22, 2015
Navagon: The rest of this sentence seems redundant. :) If you buy some time on WoW or something like that and it's not for you then, yeah, sure you feel a bit conned, but you walk away. Just like any other game you buy and wind up not liking.
I'd understand 50cents per month to be able to use multiplayer in a video game, maybe $1 or $2 for games with high costs for maintaining the servers, but paying $20 every month for the same game which you already had to pay for (multiple times thanks to all the expansions) in the first place is insane. I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
Post edited December 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Matewis
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Posted December 22, 2015
Navagon: The rest of this sentence seems redundant. :) If you buy some time on WoW or something like that and it's not for you then, yeah, sure you feel a bit conned, but you walk away. Just like any other game you buy and wind up not liking.
Klumpen0815: I'd understand 50cents per month to be able to use multiplayer in a video game, maybe $1 or $2 for games with high costs for maintaining the servers, but paying $20 every month for the same game which you already had to pay for (multiple times thanks to all the expansions) in the first place is insane. I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
Overall I do prefer the subscription model for an MMO, only because I don't want to be bugged by 'subtle' hints for microtransactions. A friend of mine played another popular MMO, free-to-play, (I think it was neverwinter) and the 'gentle' encouragements to buy something minor started to get on his nerves. Something like : "Ok, you can walk allll the way back to town, or you can spend $0.99 and get a town scroll and teleport back instantly" Well not quite, but things like that. That would drive me absolutely nuts, and totally ruin the sense of immersion for me, which is the only reason I would play an mmo in the first place. That's why I wanted to play wow in fact, I wanted to experience the Warcraft universe first hand.
Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815 Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted December 22, 2015
Klumpen0815: I'd understand 50cents per month to be able to use multiplayer in a video game, maybe $1 or $2 for games with high costs for maintaining the servers, but paying $20 every month for the same game which you already had to pay for (multiple times thanks to all the expansions) in the first place is insane.
I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
Matewis: I did a quick search: currently WoW is $15 a month, if you pay month-to-month, and $12 a month if you pay 6 months in advance. That's still quite a bit, but it all boils down to whether or not you're getting your fun's worth out of it. I played for about 5 months a couple of years ago, and I feel that I totally got my fun's worth out of it. I stopped playing because it became less and less fun and my work started to take up more of my time (my shitty internet played a role as well). I've seen people getting addicted to WoW by "having to justify the money put into it" and staying addicted because of the guild they had to join in order to raid the big daddies.
Damn, if you're main incentive to play it is, because you paid for it and then because you're social network is in it, then something is going very wrong.
I like to stay free and independend at least in my spare time, that's probably why I don't play online multiplayer at all.
Overall I do prefer the subscription model for an MMO, only because I don't want to be bugged by 'subtle' hints for microtransactions. A friend of mine played another popular MMO, free-to-play, (I think it was neverwinter) and the 'gentle' encouragements to buy something minor started to get on his nerves. Something like : "Ok, you can walk allll the way back to town, or you can spend $0.99 and get a town scroll and teleport back instantly" Well not quite, but things like that. That would drive me absolutely nuts, and totally ruin the sense of immersion for me, which is the only reason I would play an mmo in the first place. That's why I wanted to play wow in fact, I wanted to experience the Warcraft universe first hand.
$15 or $12 are still way too much for a game that you already had to pay for in order to be able to install it at all, how much does WoW cost with all expansions included at the moment? It was quite a lot some years ago but I'm really out of touch.
The lack of local multiplayer (that wouldn't need any online servers at all and still works when those are down) is an entirely different problem though and really bugs me in some modern games.
Post edited December 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Posted December 22, 2015
Klumpen0815: As I've said, I'm all for the suscription model (for a reasonable price) in online multiplayer, since it a) makes sure that the servers are running as long as people are playing it and b) should save you from the microtransaction crap you mentioned.
$15 or $12 are still way too much for a game that you already had to pay for in order to be able to install it at all, how much does WoW cost with all expansions included at the moment? It was quite a lot some years ago but I'm really out of touch.
The lack of local multiplayer (that wouldn't need any online servers at all and still works when those are down) is an entirely different problem though and really bugs me in some modern games.
Oh yeah, Starcraft 2 is one of the worst offenders there, especially in light of it's legacy. It was always a favorite at LAN parties. Not that I was ever any good at it though :P $15 or $12 are still way too much for a game that you already had to pay for in order to be able to install it at all, how much does WoW cost with all expansions included at the moment? It was quite a lot some years ago but I'm really out of touch.
The lack of local multiplayer (that wouldn't need any online servers at all and still works when those are down) is an entirely different problem though and really bugs me in some modern games.
Diablo 3 takes the cake though. Their treatment of the PC version I would say gave me my first real reason to be sorely disappointed in blizzard. I thank my lucky stars that I don't have any real interest in playing the game in any case, though I did love me some barbarian rampages in Diablo 2!
Btw, has battlenet implemented any privacy settings yet, like in steam where you can set it so that it makes you appear to be offline to all of your contacts?
Klumpen0815
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Posted December 22, 2015
Klumpen0815: Not being able to play Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 offline in singleplayer or solely via LAN kind of defeats their purpose. Starcraft: Broodwar and Diablo 2 - LoD always were the LAN-party games (besides Quake 3 Arena and the original Counterstrike).
Oh I miss real LAN parties with buddies, pizza and beer.
Never managed to take part in many of those but I'd love to do that again, especcially since modern capable PCs are not as huge anymore.
Oh yes, my 17'' CRT was abnormally large and heavy, and a poor friend of mine temporarily owned an even bigger 19'' CRT... Oh I miss real LAN parties with buddies, pizza and beer.
Never managed to take part in many of those but I'd love to do that again, especcially since modern capable PCs are not as huge anymore.
Also, I'm concerned that you didn't mention the original Half-life! Crossfire map deathmatch ftw!! Though mentioning counterstrike almost makes up for it ;)
Sarang
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Sarang Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Jan 2009
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Posted December 22, 2015
blotunga: Most MMOs are crappy grindfests. I guess they are fine for people with lots of spare time, but for me they hold no value. I like story driven games, where I feel that things that I do affect the world around me, not games where I go out and kill the same monsters 1000000 a times just because I need to get one more piece of armor. So yay for The Witcher 3 and nay for Wow, Diablo 3 etc.
So true, don't forget the combat is usually garbage. Seriously how can they call these games RPG's, when they have no story or it's a complete shit one?etb
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etb Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Aug 2010
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Posted December 23, 2015
Sooo true :( In the era of laptop you'd expect to make it more often and instead it is not the case.
nicethugbert
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Posted December 28, 2015
nicethugbert: Even if all the customers boycotted the product, the company is still responsible for creating the steaming pile of shit and thinking people would be so stupid as to buy it, i.e. they're scam artists and it's the companies fault that it's a scam artist, not the customer's fault. It's just logic.
etb: It's not. If all customers boycotted the product the company has to change politics or go out of the market. If the customers buy then the company is doing his job right, in other works "creating the steaming pile of shit and thinking people would be so stupid as to buy it" is the correct action. And yes, it is customer's fault. Because as you well said: they BUY IT and we are not speaking of few people, but a lot of them. Enough to make the choice a good choice. And btw, you should check the meaning of the word logic.
You're continuing on insisting on blaming the victim for the aggressor, like blaming the sheep for being so tasty to the lion. It's not the sheep's fault it's tasty. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion is hungry. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion can over power it.
You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
etb
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Posted December 29, 2015
nicethugbert: You're continuing on insisting on blaming the victim for the aggressor, like blaming the sheep for being so tasty to the lion. It's not the sheep's fault it's tasty. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion is hungry. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion can over power it.
You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
I am not ignoring you, I read your post. But it does not make it less nonsense. Sure, the product is created then sold. But the buyers have choice. This is the big difference between the sheep and the lion. The customers buy because they accept otherwise they simply would not. You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
I can understand an honest mistake few times, but here we are speaking of million of people who accept and pay willingly, by they own choice.
Anyway, I don't really think it is a "fault" it simply means that many people see the world in a different way than me, and probably you too. And the market follow them instead of my (and your) minority.
Post edited December 29, 2015 by etb
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Posted December 30, 2015
nicethugbert: You're continuing on insisting on blaming the victim for the aggressor, like blaming the sheep for being so tasty to the lion. It's not the sheep's fault it's tasty. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion is hungry. It's not the sheep's fault that the lion can over power it.
You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
etb: I am not ignoring you, I read your post. But it does not make it less nonsense. Sure, the product is created then sold. But the buyers have choice. This is the big difference between the sheep and the lion. The customers buy because they accept otherwise they simply would not. You're also conveniently ignoring time. Pay close attention to what I said and you'll see that I carefully implied that the product is first created, then sold. The intent to scam happens before there is anything to sell. Just like the intent to not scam happens before there is anything to sell. So, once again, the customer is not responsible for the company. Saying otherwise is Fascist blame the victim non-sense.
I can understand an honest mistake few times, but here we are speaking of million of people who accept and pay willingly, by they own choice.
Anyway, I don't really think it is a "fault" it simply means that many people see the world in a different way than me, and probably you too. And the market follow them instead of my (and your) minority.
etb
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etb Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Aug 2010
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Posted January 11, 2016
It seems you did not even read what I wrote.
But once again, if you sell "scam products" that is lawful and people buy it, then the problem is or in the laws or in the people. In the context I think it is in both.
But once again, if you sell "scam products" that is lawful and people buy it, then the problem is or in the laws or in the people. In the context I think it is in both.