Wie ich schon mal in Englisch erwähnte, die deutsche "Jugendzensur", die auch Erwachsene beeinträchtigt, weil die Shops nicht in der Lage/Willens sind eine Altersverifikation durchzuführen, ist Schlimmer als DRM! Wesentlich Schlimmer.

Um es mit Angry Joes Worten zu sagen: "You really fucked it up!"

Ich kaufe eher DRM verseuchte Scheiße bei Steam, als kastrierte deutsche Versionen von Spielen. Sollten hier in Zukunft auch nur noch deutsche Versionen von Spielen auftauchen, und nicht die unzensierte englische Version zu haben sein, werde ich eher die "geborgte" Originalversion spielen, als auch nur noch einen Cent in GOG auszugeben. Steam erlaubt zumindest in einigen Fällen, das man einen ausländischen Key aktivieren kann.

Ich möchte als Beispiel mal Sleeping Dogs in der zensierten Version vorstellen. Es ist:

1, nicht patchkompatibel zur internationalen Version ist. Die deutsche Version ist nicht weitergepatcht worden, und somit FEHLERHAFT.
2. noch laufen die DLC oder HD Pack mit der deutschen Version.
3. die deutsche Version aufgrund ca. 80% fehlender Finisher wesentlich schwieriger zu spielen. Die haben einfach nur die Enviroment kills deaktiviert, OHNE Ersatz dafür zu schaffen.

Wer für diese Version noch Geld ausgibt, wird eindeutig über den Tisch gezogen, egal wiewenig er bezahlt hat!

Wenn ihr, GOG euch diese Art von Problemen so ans Bein binden lassen wollt, sehr gerne, aber OHNE MICH. Ich habe stellenweise hier die alten Spiele gekauft, weil ich so endlich offiziell an die unzensierten Originalversionen gekommen bin.

Ihr werdet alleine schon durch das Jugendschutzgesetz und fehlende USK Freigaben, gezwungen werden, 99 % eures Kataloges für deutsche User zu sperren. So blöd KANN doch niemand sein, sich das Geschäft so zu versauen, nur weil er eine "deutsche Webseite" aufmacht! Ihr wißt echt nicht, was da auch euch zurollt, oder?

Gut, das ihr die 30 Tage Rückgabegarantie habt. Die wird euch in Zukunft, wenn ihr wirklich kastrierte Spiele verkauft noch richtig weh tun

P.S.

@ JudasIscariot: At this moment, you think, you have the original versions for germans, too but believe me, the BPJM will force you, to hide them, because these version aren't allowed in germany , additionally they have no USK label, so they are all 18+.This makes your shop unusable, unless we use a VPN service, as I am used to, in many other game download shops. You cannot buy uncensored games in germany, without using a VPN service.

If this really WOULD be the intention then it is absolute nonsense to allow hiostorical films about this time and to teach it in school. If we really WANT to forget then LET US forget. But that is not the case. If we really WANT to prevent such groups then why don't we? We have no swastika anywhere but many political groups who are thinking like the Nazis did and they are NOT forbidden. What kind of law/politic is this? I am still the opinion that a simple sign does not mean ANYTHING. It is the people we should be afraid of not stupid signs.

I've read most of this topic and I still don't understand why GOG was fine selling these games before and pulls the plug just because they support German language on the website.
Why would you stop now? Do you want to open a local branch in Germany? I think you won't and I think you also won't have a business address in Germany. So why don't you ignore these laws like you did for SEVEN years already, since they don't even apply to you?
Blows my mind on so many levels...

This may seem like a an insignificant detail, but I just looked at some random game page, and seeing the "USK" logo at the bottom feels a bit like salt on an open wound. I think fellow German gamers and movie fans will understand.

I still don't blame GOG for the silly laws of Germany or other countries, but as others in this thread have pointed out, apparently foreign ( Austria etc. ) physical stores selling actual physical goods get away with selling uncut 18+ titles to German customers, often even without any ( official ) age check. Many game stores specifically focus on uncut games for German customers, since they're aware no one wants to play the crippled German versions. It's a little hard to believe that laws concerning international web stores and digital goods are somehow stricter than those for "real" traditional stores.

They were probably made aware of the legal implications when they started working on setting up the German language site. Bottom line though is that this is not the fault of GOG but the silly regulations related to video games in Germany. The last time i bought a physical copy of a game in Germany was Far Cry 2 when it came out, I didn't pay attention and it was too late when I realized the game was censored (cgi blood removed and things like that). Since then I only buy digital content uncensored.

In the end, it's easy to get around these regulations but I can understand companies doing the minimum to cover themselves against the government authorities going on a crusade or looking to raise a quick buck at their expense. I don't understand why people think this is a GOG problem when it's so obvious that it's the government overreach and arbitrary application of laws, that is the problem.

The GOG problem is that they started with the promise of a gamer's paradise, with the proud statement to handle things differently than all the others, and loyal believers helped them grow because of it, but on their quest to become ever bigger and better and appeal to a larger audience, reality is now catching up with them and they have to compromise on their principles and unique selling points one after the other, so the disappointment of their early followers is inevitable.

...and GOG looses it's uniqueness and it's main selling point. Which means that, in future, it has to compete with Steam on equal footing. And I think GOG can only loose in that competition. They did very well with NOT being Steam. Now they try to become another regular digital store - and will get lost in the masses, because they squander the one thing that made them special.

Ok ...so how about "Any game that we could find any German relation to"...still they'll have to fix that "many, many more feats of German game design. " :D

Nah, too long. :P

I don't know how people can insist on this server location stuff. It does not matter at all. If you're selling to an individual in a foreign country the local laws apply (just like vendors need to respect the special rights British users have when it comes to refunds). Either GOG wasn't fully aware of the German regulations or they had just been beneath the USK's / BPjM's radar until now. Frankly I think it's a bit of both.
So... you think they should be breaking the law because they promised to handle things differently? :P

That's not what I said. But to my knowledge those laws haven't changed recently. So either they ignored (and broke) the law all this time before, making people think they were in a position to offer better deals than the competition (uncut games for all!), or, if circumstances actually allowed it, they sacrificed that position now to officially enter the German market. In any case, they offered something before and are now taking it away, and regardless of the reasons it's natural that this will disappoint part of the previous customer base, that's all I meant to say.

Besides, if what some others user write here is true, they are still breaking the German law and would need to region-lock a large part of their catalogue if they want to fully comply with it, not just the games with swastikas or excessive violence. The current situation won't hurt GOG much despite the cries of outrage, they might still gain a few more German customers, but if they'd go all the way to ensure they're not operating in a legal greyzone, I dare say that would prove fatal for their business from Germany.

Pandoras Box has been opened.

This will not benefit GOG and certainly will not benefit the users.

Hallo mkess, :)

ich finde die ganze Sache ja auch nicht toll, aber ich finde, man sollte nicht vergessen, dass man es hier mit Menschen zu tun hat. Mir scheint es, dass man auch Geschäftspartnern gegenüber nicht so ausfallend werden sollte.
Haben sie dich denn um bisher Erworbenes gebracht?
Wir wissen nicht, ob sie die Entscheidung treffen mussten und können die Beweggründe nur erahnen.
Was ich aber weiß, ist dass GoG bisher sehr entgegenkommend war (das gesamte Geschäftsmodell, letztens die Installationsdateien, usw.), das kenne ich von Steam nicht.
Ich meine, wenn wir etwas verständnisvoller und konstruktiv äußern würden, unter welchen Bedingungen wir bereit sind, GoG zu nutzen und weiterzuempfehlen, würden wir mehr erreichen.

Hier noch ein etwas längerer Beitrag meinerseits:
[url=]http://www.gog.com/forum/general_de/manche_spiele_nicht_mehr_in_de_verfgbar/post77[/url]

Viele Grüße

Is there a possibility to open GOG.com with english language preselected?
An url-based solution (like index_en.htm) would be nice, because cookies are deleted when the browser is closed and loading the complete front page twice just for switching the language is quite annoying.