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Lexor: For now it is just a little "weird" for me, that nobody in these "highly positive reviews" mentions about this kind of "important" detail because, as everyone knows, "bad things" can happen and in case of device with display panel this could be one of them.
You know - that's a strange argument.

People not mentioning a certain possible (!) problem could (as I said before) just mean, that they didn't encounter that certain possible problem - thus they are not talking about that possible problem.

Whereas you seem to automatically see a hidden agenda or a conspiracy...?

o.O
Post edited October 07, 2018 by BreOl72
I have a Huion GT-221 PRO. I never had any problem with dead pixels. But sometimes I see some ghosting when things move fast on the screen. Might be something which could be fixed on the software side.
The tablet lacks rotation and angle of the pen, which make the feel of the pen a bit less immersive, but I can live with that.

A drawing I made to test out some new brushes for Krita:
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BreOl72: You know - that's a strange argument.

People not mentioning a certain possible (!) problem could (as I said before) just mean, that they didn't encounter that certain possible problem - thus they are not talking about that possible problem.

Whereas you seem to automatically see a hidden agenda or a conspiracy...?
I think you misunderstood me. :)

I do not see any conspiracy here just because nobody mentioned or encountered dead pixels in their tested copy of this product.

I work as graphics designer and I'm just used to read tests of monitors - when I'm going to buy monitor then I'm reading a lot of monitor's reviews and every time it's kind of standard for every such reviewer to "say at least a few words" about bad pixels policy of product's manufacturer because, as we all know, there is no perfect way to produce perfect panels and sometimes "it just happen".

Knowing myself, I always choose monitor with extended bad pixels policy (which covers more than just a few days after purchase) because, as I said earlier, I would hate any bad pixels on the screen. :) That's why I was interested to hear about such thing in Huion's product and I was sad that nobody "said a word" (or "I'm blind" and I missed it).
Post edited October 07, 2018 by Lexor
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KasperHviid: I have a Huion GT-221 PRO. I never had any problem with dead pixels.
From my personal experience it's normal that if you haven't experienced this problem for the first 1-3 months of usage, you will probably never have it. The most prone to "dead pixel disease" devices are these "freshly produced" as they need to "warm up" for some period of time (I could compare this to use of newly purchased car).

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KasperHviid: But sometimes I see some ghosting when things move fast on the screen.
Well, ghosting on graphical tablet? It's not monitor, I would use it only for drawing not for "fast paced action game" so I could live with it. ;)
For non-professions, Monoprice makes some rather nice graphics tablets. They're not quite as nice as Wacom, but they're quite good. Especially if you're doing a more contemporary style of animation where you're not painting.
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Lexor: I think you misunderstood me. :)
I think I did. :)

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Lexor: Knowing myself, I always choose monitor with extended bad pixels policy (which covers more than just a few days after purchase) because, as I said earlier, I would hate any bad pixels on the screen. :) That's why I was interested to hear about such thing in Huion's product and I was sad that nobody "said a word" (or "I'm blind" and I missed it).
Well, for whatever it's worth, at least two test-videos that I have watched, mentioned how nice and quickly responding the support of Huion is.
Graphics tablets are under rated for playing RPG or strategy games with absolute tracking instead of mouse mode.

More traditional games should have been modded to allow that kind of input for more precise gaming.
Post edited October 07, 2018 by Spectre
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Sachys: My advice (as a professional), dont waste money on a tablet with a display (assuming you're talking about something like a cintiq, and not an android tablet).
This.
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ignisferroque: A drawing tablet feels odd at first and definitely takes some time to get used to, but it quickly becomes like second nature. I really don't miss having a screen.
And this.

A tablet with a built-in screen is mostly a crutch, as it feels a bit more like traditional drawing or writing. It takes a while to adjust to regular tablets, because you're looking at a screen instead of your drawing hand, but once you get over that initial bump, it has many advantages. Your drawing hand will never block your view, you don't have to worry about finger prints and sweat on your screen, and regular tablets don't heat up as much as Cintiqs and the like. Besides, most quality all-in-one tablets are much more expensive.

There's one advantage to all-in-one/ stand-alone tablets: You can draw wherever you want, and don't always need your PC or laptop. Depending on your drawing habits, this could be a factor worth considering.

As for brands, Wacom is generally easy to use and reliable, but they tend to abuse their market position. Most of the replacement parts such as the extra pen nibs are ridiculously overpriced. You can't really go wrong with a cheap Wacom as your first tablet, but it may also be worth it to look at alternatives.
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CharlesGrey: As for brands, Wacom is generally easy to use and reliable, but they tend to abuse their market position. Most of the replacement parts such as the extra pen nibs are ridiculously overpriced. You can't really go wrong with a cheap Wacom as your first tablet, but it may also be worth it to look at alternatives.
This is why I wound up with a monoprice tablet. The pen disappeared and I couldn't find it. I'm sure it's still in the room somewhere, I just couldn't find it. Damn thing costs almost as much as a new tablet.

The monoprice tablets aren't quite as nice, you need a battery in the stylus, but they're definitely good enough for folks that aren't professional artists. Professionals may not mind the extra cost as much.
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hedwards: This is why I wound up with a monoprice tablet. The pen disappeared and I couldn't find it. I'm sure it's still in the room somewhere, I just couldn't find it. Damn thing costs almost as much as a new tablet.

The monoprice tablets aren't quite as nice, you need a battery in the stylus, but they're definitely good enough for folks that aren't professional artists. Professionals may not mind the extra cost as much.
That's another example of Wacom abusing their position as market leader for graphics tablets: As far as I know they're the only company offering active, wireless stylus pens without batteries, because they're sitting on the patent for that technology.

I guess you could say Wacom is the Steam/Valve of graphics tablets, and their popularity allows them to get away with all sorts of bullshit. Their beginner level tablets are actually quite reasonably priced, to lure in new customers, but then you get screwed over as soon as you need extra pen nibs, pens or any other replacements. I've been using Wacom tablets for a long time, and still remember when a few of those pen nibs would last you about a year. Then they decided to change some things about the surface material of the tablets, and possibly also the nibs, and now you're lucky if they last you about a month of frequent usage.

Seriously considering to switch to a different brand next time I need a new tablet. Hard to let go of those wire-less, battery-free pens, though... I wonder, do any other companies at least offer rechargeable pens? Don't want to buy batteries all the time.
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CharlesGrey: Seriously considering to switch to a different brand next time I need a new tablet. Hard to let go of those wire-less, battery-free pens, though... I wonder, do any other companies at least offer rechargeable pens? Don't want to buy batteries all the time.
I'm under impression that Huion Kamvas Pro 13 (mentioned earlier in this topic) has wire-less and battery-free pen.
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BreOl72: ...
Am I right or wrong?
Post edited October 08, 2018 by Lexor
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CharlesGrey: Seriously considering to switch to a different brand next time I need a new tablet. Hard to let go of those wire-less, battery-free pens, though... I wonder, do any other companies at least offer rechargeable pens? Don't want to buy batteries all the time.
You can always use rechargable batteries. But, the amount of power these things use is miniscule. Which is probably how Wacom can get away with doing it wirelessly.

Still, I wonder how much longer those patents could be as the devices have been on the market for decades.
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CharlesGrey: Seriously considering to switch to a different brand next time I need a new tablet. Hard to let go of those wire-less, battery-free pens, though... I wonder, do any other companies at least offer rechargeable pens? Don't want to buy batteries all the time.
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Lexor: I'm under impression that Huion Kamvas Pro 13 (mentioned earlier in this topic) has wire-less and battery-free pen.
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BreOl72: ...
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Lexor: Am I right or wrong?
I just looked it up and it seems to be true. Either Wacom no longer has the exclusive rights to that technology, or Huion came up with a different method, which doesn't conflict with Wacom's patent. Looks good, either way -- Wacom could really use some competition.
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BreOl72: Get the KAMVAS PRO 13
Sigh, after a few days of heavy research I found "a few" significant problems with Huion.

First problem, the most important: occurrence of wobble lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsPHG4VN5qQ
If you do not want to watch whole video you can skip to 5:24 to see the test with a ruler.

Description of the problem: if you draw "too slow" then your lines can become wavy ones.
Photoshop has the least amount of issue, other programs seem to do worse.
Huion is very aware of this issue but they do not have the exact date for the fix.
Here is an official Huion response I found on the net: https://i.imgur.com/j4l0XY9.png
We do not know if this is a software or hardware issue which makes the whole problem even worse.

Second problem is important to me: lack of precise notation about "dead pixels" in their warranty.

I've contacted my local support of Huion tablets and they said (my translation): "We did not have such reports so far (..) so that problem was basically nonexistent one. We do not have separate rules for this and we use general ones (...)". So has Huion discovered a recipe for production of only perfect panels? :)

Anyway, I'm going to contact global support as well.

Below I'm tagging other users of this topic to let them know about these problems:
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Post edited October 10, 2018 by Lexor
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Lexor: Sigh, after a few days of heavy research I found "a few" significant problems with Huion.
Hey, thanks for the heads-up! Most modern graphics editors have settings for line smoothing, so that should help with the first issue.

As for the second, depending on where you buy your tablet, you should be able to return it within the first 30 days after purchase, if you notice any technical problems such as dead pixels. After that period, I guess it's up to Huion and their warranty. You could do a little more online research to check how common dead pixels are on these tablets. I notice with many Chinese products sites like Amazon have a serious problem with bought/faked reviews, so that may not be a reliable source of information.
Post edited October 11, 2018 by CharlesGrey