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Canuck_Cat: This is some false accusation and victim persecution complex here that isn't reflective of modern society's take on PC gamers.
Honestly, I hope some of you aren't taking the "master race" moniker seriously because it's 100% satire.
Funny you should mention it, because you're the one that seems to take this too seriously. ;) Honestly, I hope some of you aren't taking the "master race" moniker seriously because it's 100% satire.
timppu: Being mainly how being a "true PC gamer" apparently means you will change the FOV in your FPS games to insane levels, just so that you can see more around you. The longer he has been a "PC gamer", the insaner his FOV becomes.
EDIT: Another, minor, thing seemed to be that the noise level of him banging his keyboard seemed to raise, the longer he had been a PC gamer.
I am not totally free of that myself, I have also increased the FOV somewhat in Team Fortress 2 just so that I can see easier if an enemy is approaching from the sides. and sometimes I get myself thinking:
Fascinating, we're both a member of this "master race", yet we see things differently. I never cared for FOV that much to even consider that side... EDIT: Another, minor, thing seemed to be that the noise level of him banging his keyboard seemed to raise, the longer he had been a PC gamer.
I am not totally free of that myself, I have also increased the FOV somewhat in Team Fortress 2 just so that I can see easier if an enemy is approaching from the sides. and sometimes I get myself thinking:
But, seems we at least see something a like here; as he are converted he no longer abuse the keyboard that much. Guess the frustration went away as soon as he just admitted to himself (he suffered from cognitive dissonance, poor dude) that the PC WAS better after all, it just took him 2 years + to finally realize it. ;)
Post edited April 30, 2021 by sanscript
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Canuck_Cat: This is some false accusation and victim persecution complex here that isn't reflective of modern society's take on PC gamers.
timppu: Don't take it personally. Canuck_Cat: No, he never said that. He asked if PC gaming came from if [when Henry] was younger and then asked if he build his own PC before. Nothing about an evil stepfather.
You caught me, I added that myself to the dramatic effect. You are very observant. It is still a fact the reviewer didn't seem to even think of the possibility he was playing The Witcher 3 on PC, hence he asked only on which console ("Playstation or XBox?", even after Henry had already stated he was always a "big PC gamer". And yes the reviewer did seem quite surprised of the fact he was playing on a PC ("Oh wow? You're a PC gamer?!?"), and started asking more about why on PC, as if that surprising fact needs some extra reasoning. If Henry had said "XBox", do you think the reviewer would have asked "Oh wow, you are an XBox gamer?!? Was that because you were young and...????".
1. The interviewer's background is a film editor and writer. The point of these marketing interviews is marketing - what the story is, why people should watch it, understand how the actor or actress got into the role, etc. The show is mostly based on books, not the video game.
2. This was a casual interview that didn't require a lot of research. It was an on the spot fun question to see what console Cavill owned. And the interviewer followed up with a "did you build your own gaming PC" question, so they have a rough idea of what it is. Followup questions shows interest in the interview and was intended to gauge when he picked up the hobby. Yet you've gone and spun this as a jab on PC gaming. Or is pointing out the theoretical of a response between the two options also a satire on what a PCMR person would do?
I don't expect an interviewer to know about different video game platforms unless the topic is based on video games. You're being overcritical, completely going on a tangent, and/or disingenuously galvanizing others into a victim mentality with PC gaming.
Canuck_Cat: PC is a prominent logo on the website and on the official E3 trailer. When you google the game, its Steam rating is prominent on the side result and "Microsoft Windows" is a listed platform.
- https://www.cyberpunk.net/ca/en/
- https://youtu.be/qIcTM8WXFjk?t=238
If you think there's more advertising for console, it's because most people don't care about info that's not relevant to them and it works both ways. I don't own a PS5 or Xbox Series X, so I don't care about any news regarding their product or games.
Ok, now you lost your attention and you are not so observant anymore. - https://www.cyberpunk.net/ca/en/
- https://youtu.be/qIcTM8WXFjk?t=238
If you think there's more advertising for console, it's because most people don't care about info that's not relevant to them and it works both ways. I don't own a PS5 or Xbox Series X, so I don't care about any news regarding their product or games.
I wasn't talking about advertising and whether the PC/Steam logo was listed there too, but news articles about the game which very much concentrated on the console versions of the games, and the PC version maybe mentioned briefly later in the articles (if at all), especially when we are talking about non-gaming media which were reporting about the game.
Admittedly, this is partly because it was the console versions which had the biggest problems, but the PC version had too.
For instance, the articles I read about the game (and its problems) in e.g. Helsingin Sanomat (which is our local biggest newspaper) gave also that impression that it is foremost a console game.
Yet, at the same time, my meaning was indeed to raise some observations how PC gaming in general appears to be hidden at least in non-PC gaming media gaming news. (For instance, the Helsingin Sanomat newspaper that I mentioned, sometimes publishes articles about games... and to me they always appear to be about the console versions (or sometimes even console-only games, like The Last of Us 2 and the Switch version of Monster Hunter). Even the CP2077 articles were very console-centric.
First I must reveal to you that I started this thread with a tongue firmly attached to my cheek. So if you felt this was about me whining how unfair the world and media is against PC gamers and we must rise to take our rightful place in the food chain, you are just wrong.
Do I think this is some kind of big problem that needs to be fixed? Not really, just an observation how it still seems to be considered abnormal and somewhat surprising for someone being prominently a PC gamer, which I've also seen in my two colleagues (one of which plainly asked me why am I looking forward to buying a gaming PC (laptop) and not just buy a PS4 and be done with it, ie. yes he was wondering why I would want to play games on PC).
I've already mentioned the cost economics of owning a PC vs console and it's not unreasonable to think most sales and trends are driven by newer titles with high graphical fidelity. It's not unreasonable to ask questions if they don't understand it.
Anyways, many others are fine to playing mostly or only on consoles, and that is fine as well. PC gaming generally needs more initial investments (unless one is ready to play mostly just older, less demanding, PC games, which is a possibility as well and which is what I am doing currently) so it certainly makes sense for many to buy a $200-300 console instead.
If the goal of this post was to discuss differences between PC vs consoles in a casual manner, why does it need so much unnecessary satire mixed in with casual observations and anecdotes to highlight a disparity in knowledge between casual consumers and PC gamers?
The logic applies on a two way street. I lift free weights, but I'm not going out of my way to complain about how marginalized I am or the lack of knowledge machine-only lifters have. It would make me quite condescendingly elitist if I did. If you want to reduce disparity in knowledge, we can help casuals out by answering questions for people who are seeking to understand why we make these choices. Instead, people who buy into PCMR are like the vegans of the gaming hobby. They have this compelling need to tell the entire world about how much better their platform is compared to others, including satire, and it drives people's interests away.
sanscript: Funny you should mention it, because you're the one that seems to take this too seriously. ;)
This forum has a recent history of dangerous presumptions involving absence of evidence statements, unprovable or disprovable theoreticals, and using anecdotes that appeal to ignorance instead of critical thinking driven by data-based facts. Even in some of OP's statements can we see this (e.g., "world would have exploded if he had said he played the GOG version of The Witcher 3", "do you think the reviewer would have asked 'Oh wow, you are an XBox gamer?!? Was that because you were young and...????'"). I apologize if I got the wrong idea, but my points still stand. Complaining about how PC gaming is seen by non-gamers is a non-issue and overinflating this phenomena's importance needing this degree of satire is inappropriate.
EDIT: grammar.
Post edited April 30, 2021 by Canuck_Cat
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continued
My other colleague expressed similar sentiments, saying that he doesn't want to sit on a PC at home because he gets enough of that at work already, and if he plays games, he plays them on his PS4. Ok then, to each his own, we didn't discuss or argue our differing opinions further.
Anyway, common people like to play on laptops, while only the PCMR dinosaurs play on desktop PCs.
About the lower lifespan, my aging ASUS G75VW gaming laptop is now, what, 9 years old? Or even more? I don't know how long desktop PCs last then, 50 years?
Sure it can't run the latest AAAA+++ games anymore, but the nice thing about PC gaming overall is that I can also play older AAAA games on it, even those I buy from GOG. The most demanding game that it still manages to run somewhat passably is The Witcher 3 or thereabouts, that's pretty much the limit what I would play on it (hence, I am looking for a newer gaming laptop, to last yet another 10 years).
Oh and I can connect it to my 65" OLED HDTV as well, that is big enough screen for my games.
The latter Youtube video had a bit similar purpose, but this time it was sarcastic against "true PC gamers", the kind who say laptop gaming is stupid and Real PC Gamers play only on hydrogen-cooled desktop PCs which have a dedicated air-conditioned and soundproofed server room in the basement.
Now I noticed this also happened to be the thread where I suddenly decided to buy Nintendo Switch, when the earlier console I've bought was PS2 fat model a long long time ago.
Which is actually what has happened to me, now that you mention it. I'm in the board of our housing community, and we tried to figure out what should we do with the empty big room in our basement which is used for nothing right now.
Me and the head of the board, and maybe one more person in the board, would like to build it into a small simple gym and exercise area that any of the inhabitants could use, at least part of the room (rest of it could be a recreational room otherwise, even for keeping our housing community meetings).
The rest of the board, mainly elderly women, oppose the idea because they don't want the housing community to use any money now, especially on a gym. They rather keep it empty and unused, if needed. They argued it would cost a fortune to buy lots of gym machines in there, and we would have to pay for their maintenance etc.
I was like "Wait, what? Why don't we buy mainly some free weights there, maybe some bench press, maybe some rack for chin-ups and for stretching your back, and a soft mattress on the floor? And maybe a heavy bag which I happen to have unused in the basement, waiting for better times? It wouldn't be that expensive, and quite maintenance free. Maybe we could also buy some stepper or an exercise bike there too, if someone wants one?"
This took them by surprise as if they had never thought of that being a possibility, but after awhile they came up with new excuses, like "What if someone drops a weight on their foot, or a toddler goes in there and crushes themselves under the dumbbells?". I made a sarcastic comment on that that the machines may be even more dangerous, someone might accidentally hang themselves on the metallic wires of some machine if they really tried etc.
Either way, the room is still empty and unused, damn it. :(
But since you are here, just tell me if you want me to educate you why I would choose to play on a laptop, instead of a desktop PC. I am here, ready to educate you and help you raise your awareness on the joys of laptop gaming. Before you know it, you'll be buying a XMG Neo 15 or 17 gaming laptop as well!
Canuck_Cat: Because I too would wonder why people would buy a gaming laptop instead of a PC unless they have no other choice.
He was not commenting on the "gaming laptop" part, but about gaming on PC at all. After all, I had mentioned I was considering a gaming desktop too, but would prefer a laptop. (I don't think this colleague of mine plays video games at all, he mentioned that his son is playing on PS4). My other colleague expressed similar sentiments, saying that he doesn't want to sit on a PC at home because he gets enough of that at work already, and if he plays games, he plays them on his PS4. Ok then, to each his own, we didn't discuss or argue our differing opinions further.
Canuck_Cat: Disregarding custom laptops, there are issues of thermal throttling (resulting in -20% FPS performance), lower lifespan, very little modularity, relatively small screens, and eGPUs are an expensive solution (e.g., $300 USD for enclosure). Economically, it's a terrible purchase if you want to access the same library as a PC.
So you feel desktop gaming is superior to laptop gaming in every way, and everyone should be playing on desktop PCs and not laptops? A surprising comment from someone whose been preaching against platform tribalism and criticizing others' gaming platform choices. :D Anyway, common people like to play on laptops, while only the PCMR dinosaurs play on desktop PCs.
About the lower lifespan, my aging ASUS G75VW gaming laptop is now, what, 9 years old? Or even more? I don't know how long desktop PCs last then, 50 years?
Sure it can't run the latest AAAA+++ games anymore, but the nice thing about PC gaming overall is that I can also play older AAAA games on it, even those I buy from GOG. The most demanding game that it still manages to run somewhat passably is The Witcher 3 or thereabouts, that's pretty much the limit what I would play on it (hence, I am looking for a newer gaming laptop, to last yet another 10 years).
Oh and I can connect it to my 65" OLED HDTV as well, that is big enough screen for my games.
Canuck_Cat: So you are aware of all the advantages of owning a console including the economics, but are still are puzzled at how non-gamers don't understand why people choose to game on PC?
I wasn't puzzled, but pointing out that is the life a PC gamer (hence the title of this thread). Especially a laptop gamer, who gets critique also from other PC gamers, like you. :^P Canuck_Cat: If the goal of this post was to discuss differences between PC vs consoles in a casual manner, why does it need so much unnecessary satire mixed in with casual observations and anecdotes to highlight a disparity in knowledge between casual consumers and PC gamers?
The goal of this thread was to show a funny Youtube video to those who may have missed it before, and make a sarcastic comment on top of that "yeah that's what it is to be a dedicated PC gamer, LULZ...". The latter Youtube video had a bit similar purpose, but this time it was sarcastic against "true PC gamers", the kind who say laptop gaming is stupid and Real PC Gamers play only on hydrogen-cooled desktop PCs which have a dedicated air-conditioned and soundproofed server room in the basement.
Now I noticed this also happened to be the thread where I suddenly decided to buy Nintendo Switch, when the earlier console I've bought was PS2 fat model a long long time ago.
Canuck_Cat: The logic applies on a two way street. I lift free weights, but I'm not going out of my way to complain about how marginalized I am or the lack of knowledge machine-only lifters have. It would make me quite condescendingly elitist if I did.
I would, if the machine users would be criticizing me for using free weights and can't understand why anyone would, and all the mass media would always talk for using machines instead of free weights, when discussing about gyms and exercising. Which is actually what has happened to me, now that you mention it. I'm in the board of our housing community, and we tried to figure out what should we do with the empty big room in our basement which is used for nothing right now.
Me and the head of the board, and maybe one more person in the board, would like to build it into a small simple gym and exercise area that any of the inhabitants could use, at least part of the room (rest of it could be a recreational room otherwise, even for keeping our housing community meetings).
The rest of the board, mainly elderly women, oppose the idea because they don't want the housing community to use any money now, especially on a gym. They rather keep it empty and unused, if needed. They argued it would cost a fortune to buy lots of gym machines in there, and we would have to pay for their maintenance etc.
I was like "Wait, what? Why don't we buy mainly some free weights there, maybe some bench press, maybe some rack for chin-ups and for stretching your back, and a soft mattress on the floor? And maybe a heavy bag which I happen to have unused in the basement, waiting for better times? It wouldn't be that expensive, and quite maintenance free. Maybe we could also buy some stepper or an exercise bike there too, if someone wants one?"
This took them by surprise as if they had never thought of that being a possibility, but after awhile they came up with new excuses, like "What if someone drops a weight on their foot, or a toddler goes in there and crushes themselves under the dumbbells?". I made a sarcastic comment on that that the machines may be even more dangerous, someone might accidentally hang themselves on the metallic wires of some machine if they really tried etc.
Either way, the room is still empty and unused, damn it. :(
Canuck_Cat: If you want to reduce disparity in knowledge, we can help casuals out by answering questions for people who are seeking to understand why we make these choices.
I chose not to try to "teach" my colleague why I would choose a gaming PC instead of a PS4 "and be done with it" like he suggested, because I was afraid he would think I was condescending towards him and part of the PC Master Race. I just left it as it is, I am unsure if I really could have explained it to him well enough, why I rather play on PC. Especially as he didn't really seem that interested into gaming to begin with. (The discussion started from me mentioning I'm thinking of maybe buying a new PC or laptop, and he was like "What for? You already have your work laptop, don't you?". Then I went to mention PC gaming as one of the reasons etc...) But since you are here, just tell me if you want me to educate you why I would choose to play on a laptop, instead of a desktop PC. I am here, ready to educate you and help you raise your awareness on the joys of laptop gaming. Before you know it, you'll be buying a XMG Neo 15 or 17 gaming laptop as well!
Post edited May 01, 2021 by timppu
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timppu: No I didn't. I simply pointed out the amazement of the reviewer (which you seem to believe is a "non-gamer" for some reason; he might just as well play video games, and at least seemed to be aware of the game The Witcher 3, but apparently thinks of it mostly as a video game, not a PC game) after finding out that Cavill plays on a PC, even after Cavill had already stated he is a big PC gamer.
Re-read your message again. I know now it's entirely satire, but you complained about how the interviewer did the interviewer. The main message from your post was this: I mean, come on! Is it really so unthinkable that someone would play games on PC? And one has to explain why they would choose to play on PCs instead of consoles?
So I observed how the reviewer reacted to a celebrity "PC gamer", and for some reason you took an issue with my observation. After all, you acknowledge later that the masses are not supposed to be aware of PC gaming or PC gamers (the "demographics" that you mention later), and I just raised the observation about the same.
I didn't say masses aren't supposed to be aware of PC gaming. Please don't put words in my mouth. So pointing out his amazement over Cavill being a PC gamer, is being part of "PC Master Race"? Whatever. :D
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying since I don't want to wade through layers of satire to understand your point. If I wanted that, I'd watch some comedy shows instead. Oh but he clearly did as he was as he was able to ask about XBox or Playstation, and also being able to comment on Cavill being a PC gamer. Also it seemed from the question that the interviewer was aware that such a game (TW3) exists on both XBox and Playstation, hence his quick question that which version he played.
So your point seems to be that it is quite understandable for a non-gaming interviewer to make an assumption that a "gamer" would play either on XBox or Playstation, even after the interviewee has mentioned he is a big PC gamer?
When did Cavill mention being a PC gamer before being asked what console he uses? He said he played the video games before reading the books. Re-watch the interview again, please. So your point seems to be that it is quite understandable for a non-gaming interviewer to make an assumption that a "gamer" would play either on XBox or Playstation, even after the interviewee has mentioned he is a big PC gamer?
https://youtu.be/w-abBsjCkwg?t=123
So who is the demographics then? "Common people", as in people that wouldn't ever play on PCs and are not aware of PC gaming, but only on consoles? You are kinda proving my point here, ie. that PC gaming is seen as "abnormal" among common people.
I don't know anything about Finland and your national news' demographics. News sites know their demographics. They know how much clicks they get on their articles and how long people read them. If they're getting better metrics reporting on consoles, then that's what they'll cater to. If's entirely possible that your national news organization's articles focus more on consoles than on PC gaming. The only way to tell is by scraping through the articles on gaming and comparing the counts on consoles vs PCs.
Thanks for a totally useless point. Yeah, PC Gamer reports on PG games, go figure. Maybe there is a hint in the name of the magazine.
I was talking about non-gaming media, when they have reviews or articles on gaming topics (the little they have).
No, it's not a useless point. The existence of PC gaming news sites cater to PC gamers, so there's no need for those people to read mainstream news sites about gaming because those sites already cater to consoles. Do you see how a feedback loop is created here? I was talking about non-gaming media, when they have reviews or articles on gaming topics (the little they have).
The closest source regarding PC gaming I could find is here. As you can see in 2017:
This statistic displays the share of single player PC gamers in Finland in 2017, by age group. During that year, 57 percent of the population aged 15 to 19 years had played single player PC games within the last 12 months. The corresponding figure for people aged 25 to 34 years was 46 percent.
Does this mean your news site has more older subscribers who don't play PC gamers? Is it because younger people get their PC gaming news from other niche websites that are already been established and have better talent to write about it? Is it because mainstream news isn't capitalizing on the increasing share of PC gamers? Or finally, as you are convinced of, is your mainstream news purposely ignoring PC gamers because it's abnormal? You need to go find that out before you throw accusations around - that's entirely my point.
Again, you are just reinforcing my original point. As in: if you are a PC gamer, you shouldn't be surprised if there is hardly ever any coverage on PC gaming or PC games on mass media (while there is about console gaming and console games).
Already addressed above. If I dare to mention that out loud, it is some kind of sick victimhood and being part of "PC Master Race", even though you seem to agree with the point itself.
Because it is. Seems like half of all of Finland's demographics have played a PC game before and your general news website could be catering more to 35+ year old readers instead if we are to believe the survey was an accurate random measure of the population. What articles are you talking about? Gaming articles?
[...]
If there was e.g. some news or review of some PC game, I must have missed that.
EDIT: No, there was one indeed! The article about Devotion, about the game's troubled past and how it got into middle of world politics with its shot against China's leader. Even GOG.com is mentioned in that article. The article is more about the ruckus the game caused, rather than the game itself.
https://www.hs.fi/nyt/art-2000007882018.html
So I guess PC just needs more games causing havoc in world politics, in order to get to mass media's limelight.
Yes, I guess that was one of the articles regarding CP2077 that mentioned PCs. Again, I can't tell you with certainty given how there's 4 other articles hidden behind paywalls. You'll have to check to check and verify it yourself: https://www.hs.fi/haku/?query=cyberpunk%202077&category=kaikki&period=whenever&order=new [...]
If there was e.g. some news or review of some PC game, I must have missed that.
EDIT: No, there was one indeed! The article about Devotion, about the game's troubled past and how it got into middle of world politics with its shot against China's leader. Even GOG.com is mentioned in that article. The article is more about the ruckus the game caused, rather than the game itself.
https://www.hs.fi/nyt/art-2000007882018.html
So I guess PC just needs more games causing havoc in world politics, in order to get to mass media's limelight.
So you agree PC gaming is seen as abnormal, outside of dedicated (PC) gaming media and communities?
Continued...
No, I'm not as I've established above the issues of oversimplifying this phenomena. I get my gaming news from GOG, Youtube, and various news articles from feeds.Continued...
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If they don't want to understand or care, that's perfectly fine. It's not an issue. I don't really care that much when my co-workers tell me about their pets.
So you feel desktop gaming is superior to laptop gaming in every way, and everyone should be playing on desktop PCs and not laptops? A surprising comment from someone whose been preaching against platform tribalism and criticizing others' gaming platform choices. :D
Anyway, common people like to play on laptops, while only the PCMR dinosaurs play on desktop PCs.
I don't feel desktop gaming is superior to laptop gaming. It's interesting for me to understand why people would want to buy one. Maybe they know something I don't like an application I never heard of before. Maybe they don't know the negatives of their platform. I know many people buy gaming laptops because of convenience, portability, or space constraints so they can play them at school, work, or remote camps / assignments without the complicated setup or cleanup each time.
About the lower lifespan, my aging ASUS G75VW gaming laptop is now, what, 9 years old? Or even more? I don't know how long desktop PCs last then, 50 years?
Sure it can't run the latest AAAA+++ games anymore, but the nice thing about PC gaming overall is that I can also play older AAAA games on it, even those I buy from GOG. The most demanding game that it still manages to run somewhat passably is The Witcher 3 or thereabouts, that's pretty much the limit what I would play on it (hence, I am looking for a newer gaming laptop, to last yet another 10 years).
Oh and I can connect it to my 65" OLED HDTV as well, that is big enough screen for my games.
Yes, you can do all of these things on a used PC with at least 6C12T with an RTX 3070 @ MSRP.
That would depend on the lifespan of the parts using capacitors and/or semiconductors in their components. They are most likely to first things to go out first due to heat failure as per Arrhenius' equation or a manufacturing defect you can often detect early. Laptops have less effective cooling solutions in most cases. You can understand the MTTF directly or MTBF indirectly of your parts by viewing specsheets of individual components.
I wasn't puzzled, but pointing out that is the life a PC gamer (hence the title of this thread). Especially a laptop gamer, who gets critique also from other PC gamers, like you. :^P
That will change shortly if it hasn't already as I've pointed out in my stats.
The goal of this thread was to show a funny Youtube video to those who may have missed it before, and make a sarcastic comment on top of that "yeah that's what it is to be a dedicated PC gamer, LULZ...".
The latter Youtube video had a bit similar purpose, but this time it was sarcastic against "true PC gamers", the kind who say laptop gaming is stupid and Real PC Gamers play only on hydrogen-cooled desktop PCs which have a dedicated air-conditioned and soundproofed server room in the basement.
OK, thanks for clarifying.
Now I noticed this also happened to be the thread where I suddenly decided to buy Nintendo Switch, when the earlier console I've bought was PS2 fat model a long long time ago.
I'm happy for your purchase. It's a good system for gamers and their families.
[housing community empty gym room situation]
I recommend bringing more data to the table (pro / con analysis, economic analysis, simulations / samples), risk management plans and contingencies, and pilot projects to test the waters if you have an opportunity to do this again.
I chose not to try to "teach" my colleague why I would choose a gaming PC instead of a PS4 "and be done with it" like he suggested, because I was afraid he would think I was condescending towards him and part of the PC Master Race. I just left it as it is, I am unsure if I really could have explained it to him well enough, why I rather play on PC. Especially as he didn't really seem that interested into gaming to begin with. (The discussion started from me mentioning I'm thinking of maybe buying a new PC or laptop, and he was like "What for? You already have your work laptop, don't you?". Then I went to mention PC gaming as one of the reasons etc...)
If they're not interested, then that's that. I don't expect everyone I talk to about PC gaming to join me on GOG. The point is respect as you've done there.
But since you are here, just tell me if you want me to educate you why I would choose to play on a laptop, instead of a desktop PC. I am here, ready to educate you and help you raise your awareness on the joys of laptop gaming. Before you know it, you'll be buying a XMG Neo 15 or 17 gaming laptop as well!
Yes, go for it.
If they don't want to understand or care, that's perfectly fine. It's not an issue. I don't really care that much when my co-workers tell me about their pets.
So you feel desktop gaming is superior to laptop gaming in every way, and everyone should be playing on desktop PCs and not laptops? A surprising comment from someone whose been preaching against platform tribalism and criticizing others' gaming platform choices. :D
Anyway, common people like to play on laptops, while only the PCMR dinosaurs play on desktop PCs.
About the lower lifespan, my aging ASUS G75VW gaming laptop is now, what, 9 years old? Or even more? I don't know how long desktop PCs last then, 50 years?
Sure it can't run the latest AAAA+++ games anymore, but the nice thing about PC gaming overall is that I can also play older AAAA games on it, even those I buy from GOG. The most demanding game that it still manages to run somewhat passably is The Witcher 3 or thereabouts, that's pretty much the limit what I would play on it (hence, I am looking for a newer gaming laptop, to last yet another 10 years).
Oh and I can connect it to my 65" OLED HDTV as well, that is big enough screen for my games.
That would depend on the lifespan of the parts using capacitors and/or semiconductors in their components. They are most likely to first things to go out first due to heat failure as per Arrhenius' equation or a manufacturing defect you can often detect early. Laptops have less effective cooling solutions in most cases. You can understand the MTTF directly or MTBF indirectly of your parts by viewing specsheets of individual components.
I wasn't puzzled, but pointing out that is the life a PC gamer (hence the title of this thread). Especially a laptop gamer, who gets critique also from other PC gamers, like you. :^P
The goal of this thread was to show a funny Youtube video to those who may have missed it before, and make a sarcastic comment on top of that "yeah that's what it is to be a dedicated PC gamer, LULZ...".
The latter Youtube video had a bit similar purpose, but this time it was sarcastic against "true PC gamers", the kind who say laptop gaming is stupid and Real PC Gamers play only on hydrogen-cooled desktop PCs which have a dedicated air-conditioned and soundproofed server room in the basement.
Now I noticed this also happened to be the thread where I suddenly decided to buy Nintendo Switch, when the earlier console I've bought was PS2 fat model a long long time ago.
[housing community empty gym room situation]
I chose not to try to "teach" my colleague why I would choose a gaming PC instead of a PS4 "and be done with it" like he suggested, because I was afraid he would think I was condescending towards him and part of the PC Master Race. I just left it as it is, I am unsure if I really could have explained it to him well enough, why I rather play on PC. Especially as he didn't really seem that interested into gaming to begin with. (The discussion started from me mentioning I'm thinking of maybe buying a new PC or laptop, and he was like "What for? You already have your work laptop, don't you?". Then I went to mention PC gaming as one of the reasons etc...)
But since you are here, just tell me if you want me to educate you why I would choose to play on a laptop, instead of a desktop PC. I am here, ready to educate you and help you raise your awareness on the joys of laptop gaming. Before you know it, you'll be buying a XMG Neo 15 or 17 gaming laptop as well!
Post edited May 02, 2021 by Canuck_Cat