*Gasp*

But those are cis-male characters! Pure evil! Something something...

There are people out there who made the use of "Female Protagonist" tag on Steam commonplace. Some of them shriek quite loudly if a game does not correspond to their idiotic expectations, because "non-denominative deity and/or agnostic belief" forbids somebody crafting a story dared not to conform to demands of the for-profit industry "feminism" became.

As an egalitarian, I find these people vastly more offensive than somebody being ignorantly racist/sexist.

Oh, I think you do, 'cause you just put a lot of those words in my mouth right there.

I do blame them for being lazy though.


I ask devs to do better when I know they're capable of it.

You're the one who whines when a single game doesn't lick the balls of every straight white man that shows up in it and cries about it having characters that don't fit that mold, even though there are 999.999 other games that do.


Yeah, that's called privilege. Being in the position where you can afford to not give a shit about racism/sexism, and when the people affected try to do something about it complaining that they're making too much noise and annoying you.
It's quite pathetic, really.

And also, "egalitarian"? You're not fooling anybody.

Virtue-signaling is something I find pathetic, because it's no less shallow and ignorant than any other dogma, but heavy on the "righteous" indignation. Lower middle class, white men aren't responsible for the socio-economic policies that wreak havoc in this world, and electoral politics in the Western World offers little to nothing in the way of meaningful choices. Socio-economic policy is insulated from so-called "democratic institutions", and the only way that's ever going to change is if we band together to fight for our common interests.

You know? Are you psychic? Than you probably should check your mind reading abilities, because you got me completely wrong. I don't care about "representation" of straight white men in games and other fictional media. It's author's right to depict characters of different race, gender and any other attributes as they see fit.

If you want to play as a black guy, killing all whites like in Assassin's Creed: Black Flag: Freedom Cry - you're welcome. If you want to tell a story where villain is a white guy who kills peoples (yes entire nations) just to have sex with his woman (because that's what essentially Vamon in Dreamfall Chapters does) - be my guest.

But what I can’t stand is when creators of those games declare their games not in the least racist, but bringing to the audience some positive message about diversity and freedom. Because the only message those game bring – white straight men are bad, get rid of them and you will get diversity and equality.

And how exactly do you determine, who has privilege and who hasn't? By skin color?

He's not complaining about a single game with no whites. He's complaining about a single game with no white MEN. This is clearly a meninist/MRA issue (which, I'm sorry, is why I have no reason to believe the OP is not a POC).

Absolutely. And we usually blame the radicalizing voices, the leader figures - which is, uh, ok - but of course there has to be large scale complicity. I am very well aware.

I know of the assessment that Hitler was "leftist" because of the "socialist" in "National Socialist". It's bullshit. That was only a lure for the people on the fence. After Hitler got rid of the "leftists" i.e. Communists, the Social Democrats were the only party left to stem the fascist tide for a time. After the nazi rise to power, a wholly capitalist system emerged in which companies from Krupp to Coca Cola made good money and the people got drafted for Hitler's great war. They got jack left shit.

You're rapidly losing track of your own argument. Of course Dreamfall Chapters has irredeemable white characters, I never said otherwise, and now you're pathetically trying to mold my argument to your strawman fantasy. Forget it. You now have to point to your imagination of contextless quotes that you can't retrieve, always a sign of a good strong argument. Also, no, absolutely no one on the forum you've been booted from for always trying to disrupt the conversation with the worst possible form of the argument has ever watched any Sadsack of Asshat videos because cleaning up all those vomit marks from the screen takes a whole lot of time.

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations means less conformity, not more.

And to make the point clear, no, a story, be it in book, movie or game form doesn't strictly speaking "need" POC, LGBTQ, minority or minoritized characters. Heck, my personal best movie of 2017, maybe the entire decade, featured almost whites only (and the two blacks were 100% jerks), no queer coded characters throughout, (white) women in overwhelmingly prostitute and sex-toy roles, and although of course some feminist perspectives find that irksome, e.g. trans women on feminist websites still happen to very strongly identify with the protagonist for the dehumanisation he endures.

See? I also can edit opponent quotes to fit my narrative.

But the funniest thing is that whie I can't access Red Thread Games forum, everyone else can. And in a thread Racial representation in Dreamfall Chapters (if I remember the title correctly) people who are able to face the facts will see how Ragnar Tornquist tells about himeslf "having enough of white malness in real life" and about his own team that "unfortunately mostly white and male, so I hope to change that in the future".

P.S. Blade Runner 2049 sucks.

It`s not often that I am accused of not being black. I was not even going to respond to such a retarded insult.

But I guess it suits some of you who cannot comprehend that a black man can think outside of his own world, that a black man can think from other points of view, not his own. You think black men are simple savages. So I can`t possibly be black.

I am now seeing a new, very dark side of these `progressive liberals` of today. You are the true racists. You see blacks as inferior, incapable of defending themselves or others.

Shame on those of you who think you can dare talk this way about a black man who expresses a concern. Racism, true racism, is alive and well today from you types. For shame.

p.s. And I am truly African-type black, not even mixed race, even though in your foolishness you won`t believe it.

I would be happy to blast Kingdom Come if the story took place somewhere where the race was not predominantely white. You know the game's historical context right?

"Virtue-signaling" accusations are the refuge of those who cannot argue against something and must resort to calling the other person insincere as if it somehow they could know, or if it somehow that refuted their points.

Telling people to stop trying to argue in favor of a cause they believe is right because of some other problem in the world is the "How can you complain when there are kids starving in Africa?" of arguments. Everyone is perfectly capable of tackling more than one problem at once, and to imply differently is just a morally disingenuous way to try and silence someone you disagree with.

Also, your superficial, juvenile nihilism is preposterous. May I suggest Reddit as a better home for it?

There's a reason for that. The vast majority of games with characters (that is, excluding games like Pong and Tetris) have a male main character, so if you are looking for one, you will see them everywhere.

On the other hand, games with female protagonists are much less common, so it can be harder to find them. For that reason, people make such tags to help others who are interested find such games. It's the exact reason we occasionally see "games with female protagonists" topics on this forum, but we never see "games with male protagonists" topics. (Of course, now that I say that, somebody will make such a topic just to spite me.)

Games with non-binary characters are even rarer. (Examples include Undertale and the original Final Fantasy; Final Fantasy 9 has a non-binary party member; Ultima 3 and Elminage Gothic have 3 selectable genders each.)

Has the group in question been historically oppressed? Is the group currently oppressed in this way?

If the answer is yes to these questions, then the group doesn't have privilege and the oppressors do.

You literally saying this right now.
Look, if you think that because of the problems of minorities and racism bashing developer, who has only white people in his game, is more justified then bashing developer who has only black people in his game, you essentially force each developer to make up for problems of minorities you mentioned.

You literally say that if I'm a developer, than I must have black characters because million other games have only white characters.
We are not talking about a group. We a talking about a person.

Do you actually understand that games like Pong and Tetris ARE majority?

Nice thread. :P

to but this to rest - lack of representation in one single game is not racism. racism is systematic. white male is NOT under systematic racism just because they are not represented in one game. In fact, with this approach every single game in existence is racist, as there are no single game which include all possible races. You may even say it is refreshing that for once white male is among those not included.

You may as well have argued that this game is racist against Inuits, Sami, Mongol, Aboriginal, Sioux and any other ethnicity not included.