Batman v. Superman comes out this friday, but reviews are already out, so far the word on the street is "sure, it's alright". Seems like if you loved Man of Steel you'll love this, if you hated it, you'll hate this one as well. I assume if you thought it was "just a movie", you know, nothing special but entertaining enough, like I did, you'll also maintain the same opinion here, or at least I'm counting on it, since I intend to watch it friday.

I was hoping people could discuss here their expectations for the movie, and reactions after watching it when it comes out. Also, one more thing.



There is one very controversial aspect of the movie that has been revealed in the reviews. It's less a plot point and more the characterization of the heroes.
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Final warning for SPOILERS!
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Both Batman and Superman totally kill people in this movie. Not by accident. Not in a "I had no choice otherwise innocents would be hurt!" kind of way. They both try to, and succeed, in killing people. Henchmen, terrorists, etc.





I am bothered by this. I do prefer my heroes to not kill people. Usually. It's fine if the Punisher does it. Preferable even. But anyone else probably not.

I understand it's a tenuous line. Like the Daredevil TV show: "I just whipped this guy with a chain and threw him down the stairs, but I'm sure he's fine", or Arkham Knight's: "I didn't run this guy over with my tank at all, my tank administered a non-lethal shock a moment prior and pushed him out of the way". But I like to pretend that they all survived, and the hero doesn't have blood on his hands.

Right now I can't stop thinking about the Red Hood. We've seen on the trailers that the Joker killed a Robin, so everyone was expecting them to adapt the Red Hood storyline, but if Batman kills people anyway, then how could you ever tell that story?

...which I understand, but it's not like it's without precedent in the movies. Hell, even in the original Tim Burton film, Keaton's Batman intentionally killed people.

While I do admire the classic ethics of heroes like Batman, Deadpool addresses this issue pretty plainly. If a supervillian is going to pose a tremendous threat to the safety and security of humanity at large, does it really make sense (apart from selling comics/movies/games) to incarcerate them, only to see them escape and cause more damage all over again? Especially if you could just put a bullet in their head and be done with it?

I have less problem with the Frank Miller "Dark Knight" Batman killing people. I just don't remember Superman ever really being Frank Miller gritty though. Kinda out-of-character. I didn't read many Superman comics though. Maybe someone better versed with the various generations of the character could enlighten me if there was a period he was more gritty.

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In daredevil he sets a guy on fire, who can survive that? On that topic, I was surprised people didnt get angry at how they handled Wesley. I stopped watching after that. It started out well but became really bad quickly.


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On topic, didn't they show batman twisting some guys neck in trailer? (Not making a zod joke, I'm serious)

Seeing how little of an inconvenience death is to most comic book characters - I'm going to say killing them is about as effective as imprisoning them.

Is afleck still douchey?

Yes?

Then I won't bother unless his screentime consists of supes punching the shit out of him.

no more then jesse eisenberg

If you want a completely gritty and OOC Superman just look at this image from the comic Injustice Gods Among Us:

https://becausegeek.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/original.png?w=640&h=480 Well Superman is following Batman's ethics when we murdered the Joker for making him kill his wife, unborn child, and as a result of killing them blew up Metropolis in the process with a Nuclear Bomb.

(Thus the reason for the image I posted) SPOILERS SPOILERS

After reading that Batman and Supes straight up kills henchmen and terrorists I am curious enough to see that appearent "R-Rated Director's Cut" that they will release later.

Me I don't mind I have seen plenty of fucked up stuff in Comic Books already. I have seen Superman killed Twin Clones of Adolf Hitler with a stupid looking gun.

I have seen Green Lantern and Green Arrow just say fuck it and took the law into their own hands and straight up kills villains.

I'm not reading any spoilers, and the movie only comes out in Poland on April 1st, so I'll have to wait a while. I have very high expectations, as I loved Man of Steel. I just rewatched it two days ago for the third time, and still think it's great, in my top 5 superhero movies ever. Pretty much all the criticism of it I've ever heard is totally unfounded, based on people I think just wanting to hate it, or being unable to process a movie that defied their expectations.

I have my worries about BvS (how Luthor is portrayed being possibly the biggest one) but I still have very high hopes. I'm pretty sure I will like Affleck's Batman and Irons' Alfred regardless of everything else that might happen. From what I've seen of them in the trailers they are just perfect.

Really? Damn...

You know, if they wanted to make a film version of 'The Boys'... why didn't they just make a film version of 'The Boys'?

Enough of this crap, just answer me this:

Does Gal Gadot take her clothes off?

Even then who cares.


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I knew this movie was going to be just one big set up for future Justice League movies and its those movies I care about the most. Heck in the era of Superhero moveis basically being interwoven in big universe continuity why are concerned about this ONE movie then?

Justice League Part 1 is coming out next year judging from Zack's Filmography:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zack_Snyder#Filmography

I don't think that logic is really appropriate. Doesn't it make a lot more sense to use a high-powered sniper rifle to fight a heavily armed gang of criminals, instead of just your fists, or bat-shaped boomerangs? Yet, we accept it, thanks to suspension of disbelief, it's the same thing with this. These characters are all power fantasies, and part of that is their unwavering moral code, good triumphing over evil while keeping its honor intact. More who we wish we were than who we are. If you try to apply real world logic for using lethal force you'll find plenty of them, probably correct ones too, but it's not the real world, it's a story, meant to serve the characters first and foremost. While some of them, like the Punisher, Deadpool, even Wonder Woman, wouldn't be affected by taking someone's life, I do think it would diminish the characters of Superman and Batman to have them kill.

I don't deny it's been in movies before, but I don't hold the Burton movies in a pedestal, nor the Nolan ones for that matter. Batman has been on screen many times, but I don't think we've ever seen the proper Batman, am I making any sense? Burton was doing his usual schtick, clearly more interested in the villains than the hero, specially in the sequel. The Schumacher movies we're super camp, worried mostly about selling toys. The Nolan movies, though I enjoy them, were a realistic take on the character.

Now I just want to see comic book Batman. Not campy Batman, not realistic Batman, not "an interesting new take on" Batman. Just give me regular Batman, as he's been on the comics for decades now. It's like they've given me from New Coke all the way to Coke Zero, yet I never got a taste of Coke Classic.

I thought this one could be it. Dark, as he is a tragic character, but not afraid to introduce superpowers/fantastical elements. Skilled enough to fight superpowered opponents, always prepared with an array of gadgets, and the world's greatest detective capable of discovering all the other superheroes' secret identities. And of course, does not kill. Maybe everything else is in the movie, in which case I'll still love this portrayal of the character, but now I'll always have this nagging voice in the back of my head telling me this version isn't quite as definitive as I hoped it would be.

That, and "What's so Funny about Truth, Justice & the American Way?" and "Batman: Under the Hood" are two of my favorite Superman and Batman stories, and they're both about them being confronted by vigilantes who do kill their targets, just bummed they can't adapt those now. Aren't those terrible comics though?
Maybe in the R rated cut.

But I think they'd save it for her solo movie.

Yes, with Superman At Earth's End being the worst one of all.