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Posted July 09, 2023
Apparently the game doesn't even have a day and night cycle. Which existed in Baldur's Gate 1/2 a quarter of a century ago and had some importance on occasion (e.g. the vampire encounters in Atkathla).
Maybe they should rather focus on something like that instead of weird sex stuff.
Posted July 09, 2023
Just so you know.

Tabletop RPG players fuck.

Tabletop RPG players fuck in character.

That is all.
Posted July 09, 2023
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pds41: So many companies are going down this route and adding totally unnecessary things like this into what should be fun games. To a certain extent, I can understand being able to set whether the character looks like (or is) a man or a woman, but specifying whether there's (for want of a better phrase) "junk in the trunk" is pointless as I can't see a reason for actually showing genitalia.
You can just ignore the "unnecessary" things. Nobody's forcing you to customize your junk or click on the "remove clothes" button. Don't try to take it away from those who want it; that's a massive jerk move. If you have an issue with features simply existing, which you don't even need to use, you might want to do some introspection. The whole point of making games with player choices is that there are, you know, choices. It would be really stupid and pointless if all the choices are things that you, specifically, approve of.
Posted July 09, 2023
I haven't read through the replies, but felt I wanted to add a few last bits...

1) I don't begrudge anyone for wanting a game world they can get lost in, but if you need overt sexuality in a Dungeons & Dragons game to get lost in the world, I question your interest in the genre. And yes, there are other genres of games that deal with overt and explicit sex and sexual content.

2) A great filmmaker once said (essentially) that when civilization stops telling "big stories" (stories that deal with human endeavor) and instead becomes preoccupied with "small stories" (relationships, sex, "soap opera" content) then that civilization is in decline. First, RPGs told "big stories," then they added relationships and marriage (something most are still on-board with). Now they're even breaking that down to sex. While sex is not the entirety of BG3 -- there is still a story -- it sure feels like a race toward "small stories."

3) Personally, I felt Larian's livestream -- the last before release -- emphasized the wrong elements. Usually a giant fantasy RPG would want the last image(s) prior to day one release to be adventure, excitement and exotic locations. Instead, Larian gave us some dark horror elements, overt sex, and "genital customization." Strange choice.

4) Much of this may have seemed different to me if it wasn't part of the Baldur's Gate series. If this was a new "adult" IP, I might feel a bit differently about it all... but... Baldur's Gate is a cornerstone series in gaming... and simply calling it a "reboot?"

5) I'm sure as Clarry stated that some will be overjoyed with the additions / changes. I wasn't (overjoyed) from what they last showed (and from some of what I've seen of characters and story)... and I'll watch the release from afar instead of playing day One as I had originally planned. As I stated earlier, Larian may have been showing me that this game wasn't made for me... and that's ok. I can live with that. But it does feel disappointing. Guess I'll see AFTER release.

6) And lastly -- AGAIN -- IMHO Larian should have left all of these "pre-occupations" to modders. These mods would certainly have developed and released in time (if BG3 is open to modding?).

Anyway, that's all I have to say about this.
Posted July 09, 2023
I guess they had to one-up Cyberpunk...
Posted July 09, 2023
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Pathfinder has a lot of sex and romance and pretty progressive things in it, so not sure why you're calling that your old standby. Also BG2 had (painfully long) romance dialogs, so I guess your problem is purely sex stuff? Sex is a huge part of life, I think RPGs should touch on it MORE if anything.

Your post seems like culture war bait, tbh.
Post edited July 09, 2023 by StingingVelvet
Posted July 09, 2023
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kai2: I don't begrudge anyone for wanting a game world they can get lost in
You obviously do. Here's a radical idea: just play the game the way you want and let others play the game the way they want. It's not hard. Otherwise it sounds like you're trying to police what other people do in the game. The idea that "modders should put the icky stuff that I don't like in the game, not the devs, so my oh-so-fragile sensibilities are not offended" is laughable.
Posted July 09, 2023
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Sabin_Stargem: This sounds promising. The game sounds much better to me now, because it isn't entrapped by the tyranny of puritanism. The world is a much better place when people can engage in their sexuality.
Time and place, although the choice factor is making this game a fine place.
Posted July 09, 2023
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Foxhack: Just so you know.

Tabletop RPG players fuck.

Tabletop RPG players fuck in character.

That is all.
I put on my robe and wizard hat.

Let's go.
Posted July 09, 2023
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Why can't a story about sex also be a "big story"? And shouldn't we judge the depth and dimension of a story once we've experienced it? Doing so beforehand and just on the basis of one of its possible themes doesn't strike me as very reasonable.

I get that when there're new additions or changes to a known and beloved franchise some people are going to disagree with and resist to them, but the premise of this thread seems to veer dangerously close to those "keep politics out of my games" statements and the point that every game engages in sexuality is ridiculous. Moreover, in a medium where sex is often portrayed poorly, it'd be great to see more studios raising the bar in how sexuality and sexual relationship themes are tackled.
Posted July 09, 2023
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pds41: So many companies are going down this route and adding totally unnecessary things like this into what should be fun games. To a certain extent, I can understand being able to set whether the character looks like (or is) a man or a woman, but specifying whether there's (for want of a better phrase) "junk in the trunk" is pointless as I can't see a reason for actually showing genitalia.
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eric5h5: You can just ignore the "unnecessary" things. Nobody's forcing you to customize your junk or click on the "remove clothes" button. Don't try to take it away from those who want it; that's a massive jerk move. If you have an issue with features simply existing, which you don't even need to use, you might want to do some introspection. The whole point of making games with player choices is that there are, you know, choices. It would be really stupid and pointless if all the choices are things that you, specifically, approve of.
I'm perfectly happy with myself, but thank you for asking.

I think you (along with the other guy) missed the point I was making; if the publisher wants to sell this in physical stores in the US and other jurisdictions (which for the console release I'm sure they do), the genitalia option cannot add anything beyond showing a bulge in underwear or otherwise as they won't be able to show full nudity or any intercourse. The remove clothes option is either going to be heavily censored or will just end up being to underwear - consistent with every other game out there.

It's a bit like having a game like Mass Effect 3 and allowing the players to customise their Shepherd's genitalia - either (male or female) Shepherd can already bump uglies with pretty much anything in the game that moves but the full on intercourse is never shown because it would kill the rating of the game. So, adding the option to change the genitalia (which can never be seen) is pointless..

This is the main reason why I'm saying it's pointless - unless Larian are being really brave and going for an X-rated product. All it's doing is sending a message because that's all it can do.

Regarding ignoring the feature - I am. I'm not buying the product. I'm not preventing other people from buying the product if they so wish - if people want to get emotive, that's on them, not me.

[Edited to correct a slight grammatical issue]
Post edited July 09, 2023 by pds41
Posted July 09, 2023
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Wirvington: Why can't a story about sex also be a "big story"? And shouldn't we judge the depth and dimension of a story once we've experienced it? Doing so beforehand and just on the basis of one of its possible themes doesn't strike me as very reasonable.

I get that when there're new additions or changes to a known and beloved franchise some people are going to disagree with and resist to them, but the premise of this thread seems to veer dangerously close to those "keep politics out of my games" statements and the point that every game engages in sexuality is ridiculous. Moreover, in a medium where sex is often portrayed poorly, it'd be great to see more studios raising the bar in how sexuality and sexual relationship themes are tackled.
Those "New Puritans" have the disturbing idea that they not only want to ban everything even slightly sexual, but also want to prevent everyone else to think differently than they do. It's not enough to make the choice for themselves, but they want to force their choice and morals upon everyone else. It's a form of a-sexual dictatorship.

Sometimes I get the idea those "New Puritans" could become best friends with extremists like the Taliban or something.

But I am glad to see this game and Larian Studios just do what they want without forcing anything upon somebody. They give you free choice, so you can play the game the way you want. For me that's a big positive and another thing that put the game on my "to buy" list (but honestly - it was already there).
Posted July 09, 2023
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kai2: 1) I don't begrudge anyone for wanting a game world they can get lost in, but if you need overt sexuality in a Dungeons & Dragons game to get lost in the world, I question your interest in the genre. And yes, there are other genres of games that deal with overt and explicit sex and sexual content.
Usually people play video games to have an experience they cannot get in real life. Now go figure why sexual content is that popular in video games lately.
Posted July 09, 2023
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JClosed: They give you free choice, so you can play the game the way you want. For me that's a big positive
Free choice???
Who needs the right to choose in the game - to eat poop or not? The game should be a game, not propaganda of inappropriate behavior.
Posted July 09, 2023
I didn t watch the panel from Hell
I do like to add my personal standpoint on this.

I absolutely welcome all the options Larian is giving the players, regarding the character customization
and even all the lewd shenanigans you can engulf yourself throughout the game.

YET

Larian Studios and Baldurs Gate 3 did LOSE me as well as soon as patch 09 (it was i believe) did hit.

Why?

Simple, Larian did patch in Social Media Speak and that is where a game will lose me.
Said change in language, is the point where i draw the line because it reminds me of all the social media madness that
is going on these days, i do not want to see or hear of this madness in my hobby i use to escape said madness.

So yes the lingustic change Larian did to the character creator to support the denial of phsyical observable facts
is what drives me away from Baldurs Gate 3. Every other option is just fine, but i draw the line when Social Media Speak is pushed. (pretty much hardline on this, like i am hardline on mandatory launchers)

It is really a shame, i was looking forward to play another Baldurs Gate for the longest time...
I even was glad that Larian did get the job on it, since i knew the Studio would release DRM free on GoG.
Yet here i am, not supporting the Studio because of the language change.

PS:
Larian could ve gone the way i suggested / tried suggesting in their forums
Make that social media speak part of a free Mini DLC, heck even add a own race to that DLC
a race that used that kind of categorization *shugs* dunno maybe plantbased so said race doesn t fall
into the usual "boxes". Guess what the reaction was.... you already can count 1+1 to get it right.
Larian Forums are flooded with social media activists and the reaction was as expected, but at least i tried
a suggetion that would ve been a good compromise.

PPS:

As i see it Larian Studios is trapped now, they can t go back, the rage mobs will come after them
just as they did come after HL Streamers.... this situation sucks, big time.
Post edited July 09, 2023 by GHOSTMD
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