StingingVelvet: Most RPG systems don't even have half options, so from a mechanics perspective I don't think it really matters. I'm just kinda baffled about why they're doing it. Doesn't make sense at all from a progressive standpoint to me, but then people are only assuming that's related anyway apparently. I dunno.

Sabin_Stargem: Anyhow, I think that removing half-races is fine from a mechanical standpoint.

Sabin_Stargem: I ?*think*? that half-orcs in older editions, 2e vintage or so, came about through molestation. Half-elves, however? Not a clue why anyone would be offended.

CMiq: And that it's actually Wizards of the Coast who seem to have gone so far off the deep end that even Half-Elves, Half-Orcs and other mixed-race progeny in the Forgotten Realms all of a sudden are "problematic" (or "inherently racist", as they put it themselves) and therefore need to be removed altogether.

Swedrami: Basically - despite these last-minute adjustments Baldur's Gate 3 might be the last "proper" cRPG adaptation of DnD before WotC goes full retard with the next "6e" edition in 2024 by putting a few but at the same time probably most-controversial-ever changes into effect:

- complete removal of Half-Elf and Half-Orc from the roster of playable races
- getting rid of the Dwarf subraces (Gold/Shield Dwarf, Hill/Mountain Dwarf)

SargonAelther: So what are they going to say then? That an offspring from a human and elf mating is still 100% elf?

Cadaver747: I Googled and found the following article on The Gamer website:

"Crawford never said D&D is removing the concept of Half-races because, as it turns out, it isn’t. As Den of Geek points out in its coverage of the controversy, what Bounding Into Comics (and others, which we’ll come back to) reported as news isn’t actually news at all. We’ve known that Half-Orcs and Half-Elves are getting removed as character creation options since last year, but that doesn’t mean mixed race characters are going away. In fact, it’s the exact opposite.

Soon, players will be able to create characters with parents of any two races, no longer bound by being Half-Human.

You can be Half-Orc and Half-Elf if you want, or Half-Dragonborn and Half-Hobgoblin. Heck, you could even be Half-Centaur and Half-Gnome. I don’t know how that works, but if there’s a will, there’s a way."

https://www.thegamer.com/gaming-media-has-lied-to-you-about-the-removal-of-half-races-in-dungeons-and-dragons/

So, I guess everything is not that bad, right?

Mafwek: I agree, it's not that bad, it's worse.

Cadaver747: Well, it's definitely unwise to alter something that has been cherished and appreciated for many decades in D&D community solely for the sake of conforming to politically correct standards (no one undestands nowadays).

In case they also remove the racial benefits from mixed parentage, then yes, definitely worse.

At the moment I'm officially confused, I think that Wizards of the Coast' decision for a change is against the wishes of their core audience. Business wise it's insanely stupid.

idbeholdME: Indeed. We go from humans being unique, by being the most biologically compatible race with the other races to the usual "everyone is the same, nothing matters" that gets pushed everywhere these days. The cool thing about humans just got killed. When long established canon and lore of the universe gets twisted/ignored/discarded for political reasons, you know it's only going downhill from here.

Cadaver747: Seriously though, gaming community is the most vocal and toxic when it comes to their beloved franchise, I'm not sure Wizards of the Coast would stand a change against the raging crowd, they signed their own death sentence. If any group can oppose the indoctrination, it's gamers. A bit too optimistic? Maybe.

J Lo: :(

idbeholdME: Indeed. We go from humans being unique, by being the most biologically compatible race with the other races to the usual "everyone is the same, nothing matters" that gets pushed everywhere these days. The cool thing about humans just got killed. When long established canon and lore of the universe gets twisted/ignored/discarded for political reasons, you know it's only going downhill from here.

Swedrami: Well, that escalated quickly... somehow?
Don't know what else to add to what's already been said by the other participants, other than to invite you again to go over what I wrote? And hopefully come to the conclusion that you got it backwards and, as pointed out by some of the fellow posters here as well, it's actually Wizards of the Coast you should be calling out on their plans to wipe out any reference to characters of mixed race ancestry in DnD.

Which, and with that going back on topic again, I still think is going to give Baldur's Gate 3 another considerable push in sales, for the simple fact that it just might be the last video game adaptation of DnD that has Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, as well as Gold/Hill & Shield/Mountain Dwarves as playable races.