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rtcvb32: Kids are dumb when they are young, and experimental, don't put stupid ideas in their heads.
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rjbuffchix: Why should I be denied game content I'm interested in (EDIT: I mean BG3 content as a whole) just because there's a risk someone else will go on TikTok and get mauled by a grizzly bear in some inane "challenge"?

I'm not the one playing Dr. Frankenstein and spawning them into this world of potential bad experiences all around them - including the education system which is responsible for more trauma than any videogame could ever be.

"Don't tell me I can't have steak just because a baby can't chew it" - I believe attributed to Mark Twain.
I'm not saying you can't play it or have it. I just don't recommend it in the base game. They do DLC and separating out content all the time, let the adult content be in a separate portion.

As for your mark twain quite, i'll throw in my own.

"I like steak, and i like icecream; Just not on the same plate." - Me
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rtcvb32: I'm not saying you can't play it or have it. I just don't recommend it in the base game. They do DLC and separating out content all the time, let the adult content be in a separate portion.
You and I fundamentally disagree on this issue (and most issues probably), but I will say it wouldn't hurt anything to have a menu toggle for "explicit content." Games have done it before, so why not. Larian might see it as altering their artistic intent though I guess.
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rtcvb32: I'm not saying you can't play it or have it. I just don't recommend it in the base game. They do DLC and separating out content all the time, let the adult content be in a separate portion.
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StingingVelvet: You and I fundamentally disagree on this issue (and most issues probably), but I will say it wouldn't hurt anything to have a menu toggle for "explicit content." Games have done it before, so why not. Larian might see it as altering their artistic intent though I guess.
Another user mentioned there is going to be something like this.
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Still won't be enough for some people, not even the possibility to just skip and/or ignore the things you don't like.
The gay bear sex cutscene, the sexual content in general, as well as the additional options during character creation are still part of/in the game (at least until it gets modded out, possibly maybe), tainting and placing the mark of the devil on Baldur's Gate 3 forever more.
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StingingVelvet: You and I fundamentally disagree on this issue (and most issues probably), but I will say it wouldn't hurt anything to have a menu toggle for "explicit content." Games have done it before, so why not. Larian might see it as altering their artistic intent though I guess.
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J Lo: Another user mentioned there is going to be something like this.
Oh, so they may be going the Fable route... where 'number of times had sex' is clearly listed in the statistics but you never see anything.

That's so much better....
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rtcvb32: Oh, so they may be going the Fable route... where 'number of times had sex' is clearly listed in the statistics but you never see anything.

That's so much better....
If you're opposed to sex in the game why would you click the "let's have sex" dialog that would lead to that stat?
Yeah, I've lost interest in this game as well. When they start making trailers or videos like that, it's a warning sign.

Baldur's Gate 3 seems to be designed for Kotaku and Polygon.

Adding diversity is not the issue, the problem is they typically can't do it without adding a lot of political bs, at the cost of decent writing.

So you'll get lots of ethnic and sexual diversity for sure, but zero in-game cultural diversity and bad writing.
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StingingVelvet: If you're opposed to sex in the game why would you click the "let's have sex" dialog that would lead to that stat?
The way puritans behave, it is as if they are moths driven to fly into the sexual flames. Either they completely lack discipline, or are just plain disingenuous about their motives. I choose to believe that they have full control over their actions and are intelligent, but simply want an excuse to hurt real people.

It isn't charitable, but my willingness to believe that they actually care about the genuine wellbeing of others has been exhausted.
Upon occasion I have decided to not purchase a game based on interpretation of the politics of the developer or publisher. Twice, maybe? Never have I felt the compulsion (until now) to announce this decision to the world at large through a forum. Because this is my own choice for my self alone. To advocate a personal choice of this nature in a public forum necessarily becomes a political statement of preference.

The position of OP seems to be "I will not buy (BG 3) because of too much overt sexuality in this game."

For the record, I am more likely to buy for same reason.

Also, let me know next time anyone decides to both not buy a game due to perceived excess violence and creates a forum thread explaining why.
Post edited July 13, 2023 by LesTyebe
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GHOSTMD: perhaps, but its called "identity" which is social media speak
so everybody will see that option, point is, this kind of nonsense is what pushes language changes
before you can say "BG3 is awesome af" you re in the center of a shitstorm because you used the "wrong language"
thats why i am so focused on it and that it should not be there at all
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StingingVelvet: Language evolves though, social norms evolve. I try very hard not to be the old guy yelling at the kids on the street because I hate change. Change is normal and inevitable, and as long as everyone is a consenting adult I don't care who they fuck or what they want to call themselves. You be polite to me, I'll be polite to you, and that's all that really matters to me.
Yes language evovles from itself, it never evolved from forcing it. Social Media Speak is forced.
Due to Guidelines, TOS, Codes of Conduct and so on and on. Go ahead try to use certain words
these days that were not punishable a few years ago... you will see where this leads too.

Go ahead....try to form a different thought that diverges from the ideology that gets pushed primarily
on Social Media Platforms. You will see where it leads. You even can lose your job / livelyhood if you
are "saying the wrong" things or should i say if you "wrongthink"? You call that evolving? Nah man thats
backwards and it can not be good. Because i know how it is to grow it in a state where languge is
controlled like this, even if it was just the first 12 years of my life. Yes change is normal and inevitable
forced change though is intrusive and this kind of language change out of "political correctness" did go
way to far already.

There are already ppl that use the * break here or try to, for me those sound like they have a
nervous tick and nothing else. It is just awful and quite orwellian i might add. Even more so since
my languge already has enough neutrums to use.

Pretty sure the concept of identity has existed long before social media was invented.
Yes the concept does exist for quite a long time, but not in that context.
The context of this kind of Identity didn t exist as for a few years ago, because Social Media gave
it a massive boost, it might have existed as subculture as subcultures did exist for ages now.
But said subcultures never tried to force the soceity as a whole to speak like the subculture, think like
said subculture or do the same things as that subculture.

I used and alegory there with HOW fast you get shut down if a rage mob things you said the wrong thing.
aka
you re faster in trouble than you can say "BG 3 is awesome AF" guess you re not familar with that saying
/ context?

IN this context the options that should be there are
BODYTYPE Male / Female
then
Gender(sex) Male / Female
and all the varations you can build out of those
But those words got erased because they were deemed to offensive for modern times tzk...


Bringing in Identity linked to that, is pushing propanda that aims to errode our language so
the lines of physical obvservable facts can be denied, ignored and or rightout being banned out of denial.
It is a delusion at this point that has gone way to far, as sport events for example show.
As Schools show, as bragging on Social Media shows why certain ppl are denied "treatment" at a gynogelist.

From where i stand it is absolutely INSANE and we do nothing because out of fear to be called names.
Madness i do say, madness pushed by ppl that will do everything for internetpoints.

Hogwarts Legacy is a really good example of what happens when you go to far with those changes.
As far as i have seen it, it was the most "progessive" game to date, even rightout falsely representing the england
of the 1800s but alas what happend??? We all know what happend to streamers and so on.
I refuse to be ok with Streamers being threatend, harrassed, bullied just because they want to show a game
to their peers. I BLOODY refuse to accept developers being bullied and harrassed because, ppl think they
have a "moral high ground" over others, all the while they censor any thought or word that diverges from
their view. You don t have to believe me, when i say this languge is pure poisen and erroding.
The events of the last 4 to 6 years regarding this kind of topic speak for themself.
Comics, Movies, Sport and now Video Games...

That is what we face, that is why i am against language changes like this. (So should you)

As for the concept of identity, it was always about the persona and never was directly linked to
your gender, otherwise every agent that uses disguises would not suit into the categories we
use till this day. Heck Bugs Bunny wouldn t suit even XD for that matter(when he was impersonating a valkyrie.
The gender is not your identity, your personal traits and flaws form your identity your character if you will say so.


From where i came from, it was always live and let live point of view, hey you can do whatever you want
as long as you don t hurt others. That status Quo has changed, because now we are being
forced or better coerced into using the same languge as the subculture that pushes it, that is not good. Seing such language in character creators though is just the symptom aka one of the symptoms how it gets pushed.

I tend to think, it will get worse over the next few years with Video Games, other media seems to go back
right now, because the money already runs dry. Not sure for Comics but Movies sure are in trouble.
So we will see what will happen.

I think we gonna see a rise in "anti mods" and sites hosting them in the next few years, since the usual platforms
fell victim to the same over tolerance we are talking about here.

So me personally, as someone who grew up thoughout the 80s and 90s seeing all this is awfull, sometimes even
rightout horrifying, since i realize how much of the tolerance we achieved back then is destroyed right now.
Due to policies that enforce said language changes / use of "non offensive" language.
Ahahhaha. Brilliant!

Triggered snowflakes manufacturing outrage. Well played Larian, well played.

Oh, and it seems to have been incredibly popular:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gate-3/bear

"The Baldur’s Gate 3 bear scene has immediately become one of the best examples of why I choose to spend my life writing about videogames. It’s romantic, it’s imaginative, it’s funny – following its reveal at the Larian Panel from Hell showcase, frankly, the Baldur’s Gate 3 release date cannot get here soon enough. And it seems like the rest of the RPG game world agrees. Following the showcase, and the tender love scene between Astarion and Halsin, Baldur’s Gate 3 has leapt up the Steam sale charts to sit comfortably above the likes of Call of Duty, Cyberpunk 2077, and Grand Theft Auto 5."

Good try, though!
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GHOSTMD: Go ahead....try to form a different thought that diverges from the ideology that gets pushed primarily
on Social Media Platforms. You will see where it leads. You even can lose your job / livelyhood if you
are "saying the wrong" things or should i say if you "wrongthink"? You call that evolving? Nah man thats
backwards and it can not be good. Because i know how it is to grow it in a state where languge is
controlled like this, even if it was just the first 12 years of my life. Yes change is normal and inevitable
forced change though is intrusive and this kind of language change out of "political correctness" did go
way to far already.
Not gonna ready your whole rant, sorry. It's too long and I have work to do. To answer this though, I'm not gonna pretend I haven't heard stories where I thought people were a little too sensitive. However in the VAST majority of cases it's usually people being a-holes, verbally abuse and/or prejudiced and then pretending "hey that's just my opinion, I'm an innocent!" I think certain people need to accept that their ideology and hatefulness have been rejected by most of civil society and has no place.
It's not a good sign when they focus on outrage and clickbait.
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rtcvb32: I'm not saying you can't play it or have it. I just don't recommend it in the base game. They do DLC and separating out content all the time, let the adult content be in a separate portion.
Sure, if you mean like how various adult JRPG titles on this store and others do, with a "remove censorship" patch available to those who want it (and without charging extra for it), I suppose I would be okay with that compromise for practical purposes. Cheers.
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StingingVelvet: It's a druid, not a bear. He just takes on a bear whatever... shape? Image? Persona? In any case it's a druid. Don't get me wrong, it's freaking weird, but it's half a gag and Larian has always done silly shit and no one is forced to go for that romance at all. Honestly it's mostly about marketing.
That hardly makes it better. I do agree that it's all about marketing though. It's shock value designed to generate outrage and thus free publicity.

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rojimboo: Baldur’s Gate 3 has leapt up the Steam sale charts to sit comfortably above the likes of Call of Duty, Cyberpunk 2077, and Grand Theft Auto 5."
A game, using a famous IP, that's close to release, is selling more than other games that are several years old? I'd be surprised if it didn't. That, in an of itself, is hardly a flex. That's a natural expectation.
Post edited July 14, 2023 by SargonAelther