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rjbuffchix: My point is just that fictional content cannot cause real harm.
ur wrong
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rjbuffchix: I think reality is a tad broader than that.
ur wrong
And as per the norm, we can't have discussions without exremists vomiting their opinion all over it and bringing out the worst in people. No one ever takes a complaint seriously when people come in acting like people have in this thread.
"You don't like sexualization, but you're ok with violence, that makes you a hypocrite!"
In the same way that not liking chocolate but liking vanilla icecream makes you a hypocrite. Different flavors for different folks. Then we have people like Catac1ysm spouting nonsense about what is normal, and how everyone should conform to it. Sadly, there is a huge middle grounbd here where people can not like overt sexual content without being repressed incels, and sadly, these discussions always go to the extremes.
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rjbuffchix: My point is just that fictional content cannot cause real harm.
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Catac1ysm: ur wrong
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rjbuffchix: I think reality is a tad broader than that.
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Catac1ysm: ur wrong
Thanks for the chuckle. Carry on.
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Catac1ysm: We are talking about mental disorders and deviant behavior. This is not the norm in any way. The presence of such content in games is a corruption of society. Some people get turned on by eating poop, but this is no reason to talk about the sexual preferences of such people and add it to the games. It's a disease.
What makes your post any different than a game? I'd be on-board for game where I play as an authority or vigilante and every kind of ultra-gross fetish had a checklist for me to arrest people. GTA had a conspiracy nut on the radio suggest sifting through one's own feces, which is a clear disapproval of that activity because no Rockstar character has ever been healthy.
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paladin181: "You don't like sexualization, but you're ok with violence, that makes you a hypocrite!"
In the same way that not liking chocolate but liking vanilla icecream makes you a hypocrite. Different flavors for different folks.
It's more along the lines of walking into an ice cream parlor, seeing there are more than two flavors, and throwing a tantrum about how you are now being forcefed strawberry ice cream by this establishment, despite the fact you ordered vanilla ice cream and are eating the vanilla ice cream of your own volition.
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Catac1ysm: What kind of nonsense are you talking about? How is the werewolf related to human-animal sex?
Why do you personally defend these deviations? You don't like women, but prefer animals? I'm sorry, but you're in trouble.
This is officially the part where it's plainly obvious you're not qualified for this conversation. You actually question the relevance of werewolf mythos when what set you off was literally a werebear. And I stress again: the "bear" is of human mind and has blatantly consented.
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paladin181: Then we have people like Catac1ysm spouting nonsense about what is normal, and how everyone should conform to it.
Sex with bears doesn't make babies. Therefore it is not normal. This is confirmed by thousands of years of evolution.
Do you see what the problem is... The OP wrote that he was hurt in BG3, I agree with him. BG3 has been on my wishlist for a long time, but the scene from the video made me wonder if I still want this game.
But we are forced to believe that we are wrong.

I would really like to know, those who advocate sex with bears - would they really want to try it? Or just do not condemn those who like it?
You see, these are two completely different categories.
If the second option, then why are they imposing on us the position that absolutely everyone should support such content in games?
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Catac1ysm: Sex with bears doesn't make babies. Therefore it is not normal. This is confirmed by thousands of years of evolution.
Two points...

1: You are basically saying that gay people shouldn't exist. That, bluntly, is straight up evil.

2: In the animal kingdom, creatures engage in sex that isn't necessarily for reproduction. Some of them have gay sex, there is at least one duck that made out with a dead bird, a dolphin loved a human VERY much, some pods of cetaceans engage in non-consentual sex. Your "normalcy" is fictional concept perpetuated by humans that want to delude themselves.
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Sabin_Stargem: Two points...

1: You are basically saying that gay people shouldn't exist. That, bluntly, is straight up evil.

2: In the animal kingdom, creatures engage in sex that isn't necessarily for reproduction. Some of them have gay sex, there is at least one duck that made out with a dead bird, a dolphin loved a human VERY much, some pods of cetaceans engage in non-consentual sex. Your "normalcy" is fictional concept perpetuated by humans that want to delude themselves.
1.They have always existed. But this is not the norm. In many countries this is prohibited by criminal law. Therefore, imposing this as a norm on heterosexual people is bad. In some countries, they even give the opportunity to change the sex of CHILDREN, who still do not really understand anything in this world.
2.This is a departure from the norm.
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Sabin_Stargem: Two points...

1: You are basically saying that gay people shouldn't exist. That, bluntly, is straight up evil.

2: In the animal kingdom, creatures engage in sex that isn't necessarily for reproduction. Some of them have gay sex, there is at least one duck that made out with a dead bird, a dolphin loved a human VERY much, some pods of cetaceans engage in non-consentual sex. Your "normalcy" is fictional concept perpetuated by humans that want to delude themselves.
To a further third point, there are animals that can change sex at will and very little bother with paper forms and asking permission to do so from a stuck up state authority.

I'll even pull out a list to affirm your second point.

And that's not even getting started on how most animals don't even bother with this monogamy nonsense.
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Catac1ysm: 1.They have always existed. But this is not the norm. In many countries this is prohibited by criminal law.
Those countries are evil.
Therefore, imposing this as a norm on heterosexual people is bad.
Nobody is "imposing" homosexuality on heterosexual people. Simply existing and not wanting to be discriminated against is not "imposing". Claiming otherwise is wrong and evil.

2.This is a departure from the norm.
So are you. Therefore you are bad, according to your own logic.
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Next up: sex with condom doesn't make babies, condoms evil. Wet dreams don't make babies, wet dreams evil. Coffee maker doesn't make babies, coffee maker evil. Granma doesn't make babies, granma evil.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by clarry
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paladin181: And as per the norm, we can't have discussions without exremists vomiting their opinion all over it and bringing out the worst in people. No one ever takes a complaint seriously when people come in acting like people have in this thread.
"You don't like sexualization, but you're ok with violence, that makes you a hypocrite!"
In the same way that not liking chocolate but liking vanilla icecream makes you a hypocrite. Different flavors for different folks. Then we have people like Catac1ysm spouting nonsense about what is normal, and how everyone should conform to it. Sadly, there is a huge middle grounbd here where people can not like overt sexual content without being repressed incels, and sadly, these discussions always go to the extremes.
Well, in this particular case, thank kai2
Really, read his OP again. Tell me how constructive it is

He could post in other ways aiming to true discussion like
"What a waste of time, effort & fanbase on XXXX,
INSTEAD, they could have worked on YYYY..."

But NO, quoted terms "Sexual shenanigans", "genital customization",
"sexual conquests", "sick", "pandering to specific people"

Add some tone of victimization, self-exclusion, offended-in-disguise,
and a fake humble personal opinion tag to the post
and voila: A polarization trigger at its best

A cherry on top? "I haven't read through the replies" sometime
to walk away the sh*t show created without getting muddy

The way internet communication works today,
throwing sh*t hidding the hand without ANY accountability

NOW, do you notice another key factor?
Total lack of moderation! Very obvious to elaborate on it

The interesting part, would be to talk about
the remaining factors... BUT by then
-People took side with their fragile-extreme-incomplete-,,ideologies,,
full-of-lies-&-logic-failures
-Everybody got offended enough to be jumpy ready
for the next "discussion opportunity"

So, this is anything else but a discussion
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Time4Tea: I am liberal/progressive leaning and I am all for creating something new and different, but I also believe that well-established fictional IPs should be to some extent preserved in the way their original creators intended. If you want something new and different then go and make something new. Or, has the current generation lost the ability to be creative and create new content? Is it all they can do to 're-imagine' existing IPs, in an erosive and derivative way?
Adopting and altering someone else's work is a lot easier than creating something original. Sadly, it is also "safer" than creating original work. This is only going to get worse. All the more reason why indies must be supported far more than big publishers. They're the only ones still creating something new.
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rtcvb32: Believe it or not, i and my younger brother (14 and 12) got introduced to the original Baulder's Gate and other RPG games and enjoyed playing them along with D&D with friends. So i don't see why it wouldn't be fine.

And it's hard to say we can play DooM, but not D&D.
I watched Total Recall at 10 years old, but that doesn't mean it was made for 10 year olds. Also I think teenagers are absolutely okay to experience content like this.